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10/25/2005 03:42:10 AM · #1 |
| Then why am I seeing this used in the Grain competition? |
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10/25/2005 03:45:13 AM · #2 |
In at least a couple shots I see people using a smooth subject against a grainy ground, which I found to be an interesting approach. But I agree, there are a couple shots that seem smoothed overall, and made me scratch my head. I guess everyone has their own path to follow?
R.
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10/25/2005 03:49:58 AM · #3 |
Well I shot my image at 3200 ISO. The grain is there but subtle...my score and comments reflect that subtle grain ain't no grain at all. I can't imagine the neatimage pictures doing any better.
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10/25/2005 04:21:24 AM · #4 |
Maybe the folks who neatimaged their shots (If any) don't fully understand the concept of image grain?
Challenge entrants should have had a roll of Ektachrome P1600 and a manual film SLR supplied to educate the digital only users... :-).
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10/25/2005 04:26:15 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by ttreit:
Well I shot my image at 3200 ISO. The grain is there but subtle...my score and comments reflect that subtle grain ain't no grain at all. I can't imagine the neatimage pictures doing any better. |
Ditto.
I even went as far as image sharpening and increasing contrast to enhance the noise.
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10/25/2005 05:40:37 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Then why am I seeing this used in the Grain competition? |
I agree! Although I only browsed through about 30 images, and I think I noticed this on maybe 5 or 6...seemed to me like a pretty high percentage, but maybe I just got them all up front. I'm not really a fan of the effect myself, but maybe it will work for some people.
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10/25/2005 05:50:33 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
In at least a couple shots I see people using a smooth subject against a grainy ground, which I found to be an interesting approach. But I agree, there are a couple shots that seem smoothed overall, and made me scratch my head. I guess everyone has their own path to follow?
R. |
Are you seeing a smooth subject or soft focus, I haven't seen all the images yet but none that I would call smooth so far.
I believe grain can add a lot of feel and texture to a soft focus subject which is an integral part of the message as per the challenge description.
I wouldn't condone neat-image to achieve this but a image does not have to be coarse to meet the objectives for this challenge. |
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10/25/2005 07:32:11 AM · #8 |
I guess it depends on your take on "grain". Theres noise from a digital camera set at a high ISO, and then theres noise from early film (tin-type) photography and the inexact medium they had to work with, and then theres noise from cheap cameras (like a cell phone), theres grain as seen in B-movies or home-shot films where the lighting is bad, and then theres noise from the deterioration of photographs over time (think all those albums your mom put under plastic film in the early 80's). I've seen several versions of all of these in this competition - its use to show hard wear, or its use to show age in a person, a time in history, the mood or personality of the subject. Grain is more than just a sandpaper kind of look to a photo. Personaly I think its boring unless used to make a point.
Looking at all the entries, there are a lot of different takes on GRAIN as a concept - but maybe only a solid 40 or 50 that are part of the MEANING to the picture. I think that there are a few NeatImaged - but the few that are coming to mind, they were trying for an effect OUTSIDE of just "noise".
Hey, I vote high for thinking outside the box.... |
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10/25/2005 07:54:03 AM · #9 |
| As an artifact visible on an image, I suppose in one sense NeatImage might be considered a form of noise. |
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10/25/2005 07:59:37 AM · #10 |
It's amazing that neatimage would be used in a grainy photo! Don't people realize that as soon as neatimage is used the photo is only good for the wastebasket? :-p
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 10:12:37. |
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10/25/2005 08:59:21 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
It's amazing that neatimage would be used in a grainy photo! Don't people realize that as soon as neatimage is used the photo is only good for the wastebasket? |
You didn't use the 'smiley' mark. People might get the wrong idea... |
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10/25/2005 11:03:37 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Originally posted by azoychka:
It's amazing that neatimage would be used in a grainy photo! Don't people realize that as soon as neatimage is used the photo is only good for the wastebasket? |
You didn't use the 'smiley' mark. People might get the wrong idea... |
What other idea is there? |
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10/25/2005 11:10:03 AM · #13 |
It seems that neatimage is a great way to compromise you work? imo I could be wrong though...........it just seems to be a smearing.......
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 11:11:56. |
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10/25/2005 11:24:17 AM · #14 |
| I am curious as to how you determined Neat Image was used in any particular shot...there are a lot of crisp images in this challenge that made me scratch my head in wonder, but none I thought were produced specifically via use of Neat Image. |
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10/25/2005 11:29:37 AM · #15 |
You folks have obviously never discovered the "empty the noise bin" feature on neat image. All the noise that neatimage removes is accumulated in a special noise bin, and can then be either dumped or applied to a photo when such a need arises. It's right there on the menu guys. Geesh, read the manual! ;)
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10/25/2005 01:20:07 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
I am curious as to how you determined Neat Image was used in any particular shot...there are a lot of crisp images in this challenge that made me scratch my head in wonder, but none I thought were produced specifically via use of Neat Image. |
Neatimage does not produce a crisp image. |
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10/25/2005 02:10:52 PM · #17 |
I didn't say it did. I said there were crisp images that I did not think Neat Image produced (and yes, it can produce a crisp image) and the point of my post was ASKING how someone determined neat image was used...in this case you...how did you determine Neat Image was used?
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 14:11:35. |
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10/25/2005 02:16:52 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
I didn't say it did. I said there were crisp images that I did not think Neat Image produced (and yes, it can produce a crisp image) and the point of my post was ASKING how someone determined neat image was used...in this case you...how did you determine Neat Image was used? |
It's an eductaed guess; a few of them "look" neat-imaged. We could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time...
R.
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10/25/2005 02:21:03 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by bear_music:
In at least a couple shots I see people using a smooth subject against a grainy ground, which I found to be an interesting approach. But I agree, there are a couple shots that seem smoothed overall, and made me scratch my head. I guess everyone has their own path to follow?
R. |
Are you seeing a smooth subject or soft focus, I haven't seen all the images yet but none that I would call smooth so far.
I believe grain can add a lot of feel and texture to a soft focus subject which is an integral part of the message as per the challenge description.
I wouldn't condone neat-image to achieve this but a image does not have to be coarse to meet the objectives for this challenge. |
I quite agree that soft focus and grain fit very well together. It's not images like that I'm referring to. In fact, I really don't CARE about this issue. I just noticed a few images I'd call "very smooth", almost the antithesis of "grainy". I could be wrong...
R.
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10/25/2005 02:41:28 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by notesinstones:
...Looking at all the entries, there are a lot of different takes on GRAIN as a concept - but maybe only a solid 40 or 50 that are part of the MEANING to the picture. ... |
This was the most interesting and important part of the challenge: using a grain or noise as integral part of the photo. I agree - there was lot of them just showing the grain, but not adding any value to the picture. Just an ordinary grain we usualy fight with (neatimaging etc.) And this seems to be common problem - sometimes people go straightforward to meet a challenge without putting any message or artistic value. And this is why I like DPC - I learned that even grain, if cleverly used, can put a professional touch to picture. |
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