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07/08/2003 07:40:28 PM · #76 |
I don't feel bad. I was just wondering when D&L would call a halt to it.
But thanks for pointing out the icon, which I missed entirely!
Message edited by author 2003-07-08 19:41:26.
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07/10/2003 12:27:18 AM · #77 |
As this poll has now ended (I assume this to be the case as it has disappeared from the main page), I have a couple of questions:
a) where do the results get stored? and are they public?
b) what do the administators consider to have been the consensus?
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 00:28:02.
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07/10/2003 01:20:59 AM · #78 |
a) Not sure exactly--I can get to it from a special site council menu, but don't know if you all can get there.
b) I don't think there's a consensus on if there's a consensus. Here's the results though (I added the approximate percentages myself):
To try and come to a consensus, select which one best suits your needs for DPChallenge--
Allow more editing techniques to be used in the weekly challenges 146 (25.7%)
Run an all-edits challenge every once in awhile to soothe my digital darkroom desires 289 (50.9%)
Things are fine now 133 (23.4%)
568 users participated.
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07/10/2003 01:21:49 AM · #79 |
Trust the council to post the poll results at the exact same time as me asking "who won" ;)
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 01:24:44. |
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07/10/2003 07:03:06 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
b) I don't think there's a consensus on if there's a consensus. Here's the results though (I added the approximate percentages myself):
To try and come to a consensus, select which one best suits your needs for DPChallenge--
Allow more editing techniques to be used in the weekly challenges 146 (25.7%)
Run an all-edits challenge every once in awhile to soothe my digital darkroom desires 289 (50.9%)
Things are fine now 133 (23.4%)
568 users participated. |
The simple figures show that 74.3% voted against changing the editing rules for the REGULAR weekly challenges. How big a percentage does it need to be before the "consensus" is recognized?
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07/10/2003 07:08:22 AM · #81 |
I guess there must be some kind of concensus or at least I don't see the poll(s) on the main page anymore.
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07/10/2003 11:00:34 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by Jak:
The simple figures show that 74.3% voted against changing the editing rules for the REGULAR weekly challenges. How big a percentage does it need to be before the "consensus" is recognized? |
But 76.6% also said things are not "fine as they are now." The questions were not designed carefully enough to give the definitive answer we want.
Although, if we are going to continue to run two member challenges each week, it seems logical to me to keep the open challenge and one member challenge as they are, and apply whatever rule change we want to evaluate to the third challenge and see what happens. |
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07/10/2003 11:10:00 AM · #83 |
I've been avoiding this thread because it feels like some folks are taking this issue personally, but I would like to weigh in as to why I think a free hand to edit rule would not be in the best interest of the community.
Simply put, it would make us lazy. This site is different then the hundreds of other photo communities, and that difference is you have to get it right with your camera, not in your darkroom. I've learned to be more aware of what is in the background, of my composition, of the lighting, of (fill in the blank) when my finger is on the shutter because I know I can't just "fix it later".
I personally voted for option 2. Not because I simply want more challenges, or because I was too stupid to understand the poll, but because I felt it was the best compromise. I wish it had been more specific about how often the free-for-all challenges would be held, but you can't have everything in life.
It isn't that I would not like to have a new form of expression... I just don't want to loss the "pure" form that we have now...
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07/10/2003 11:14:36 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
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Although, if we are going to continue to run two member challenges each week, it seems logical to me to keep the open challenge and one member challenge as they are, and apply whatever rule change we want to evaluate to the third challenge and see what happens. |
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07/18/2003 05:45:58 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
I've been avoiding this thread because it feels like some folks are taking this issue personally, but I would like to weigh in as to why I think a free hand to edit rule would not be in the best interest of the community.
Simply put, it would make us lazy. This site is different then the hundreds of other photo communities, and that difference is you have to get it right with your camera, not in your darkroom. I've learned to be more aware of what is in the background, of my composition, of the lighting, of (fill in the blank) when my finger is on the shutter because I know I can't just "fix it later".
I personally voted for option 2. Not because I simply want more challenges, or because I was too stupid to understand the poll, but because I felt it was the best compromise. I wish it had been more specific about how often the free-for-all challenges would be held, but you can't have everything in life.
It isn't that I would not like to have a new form of expression... I just don't want to loss the "pure" form that we have now... |
Problem is, what you describe of 'fixing it later' isn't what people were pushing for. Maybe we never explained it very well. The history of photography is fairly well documented. A large chunk of what are considered the masters of photography did significant amount of manipulation in the darkroom to complete their photographic ideas.
I don't know that anyone really considers that work to be fixing a bad photograph. If you do, I apologise for misunderstanding. I've always considered good darkroom work to essentially required to make the most of the available dynamic range (the entire zone system is based on the premise that you _cant_ do this correctly in camera and that additional work is required)
Personally I don't like the 'free for all' challenges either.
Message edited by author 2003-07-18 17:46:41. |
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