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06/18/2003 07:21:01 PM · #101 |
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Yes, I would rather compete within a group of photographers who consider themselves more advanced. If that is 'elitist', then maybe I am. I posted the idea of the levels challenges because it has been brought up several times before and gotten a lot of support. The 'against' members didn't seem to pop out until I brought it up for some reason or another.
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They were here when I brought it up a few weeks ago, you just didn't notice it as much. But I agree that breaking into 3 seperate levels would make the challenges much more appealling to the beginners, they would feel they have a chance. |
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06/18/2003 07:26:21 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I would rather compete in smaller challenges with photographers who consistently produce better photos than I do. That would raise the bar for me. It would make me work harder and think more about what I'm doing.
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I think this is absolutely a key point. I can understand it completely and the trouble is that if the top photogs remove themselves into a separate group, those just below them no longer benefit from the same thing - having their bar raised in turn.
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but i wonder if instead it would give us lower photogs something to strive for--to challenge ourselves to be able to be a part of that top group? |
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06/18/2003 07:28:52 PM · #103 |
| In my original post, I think I stated that any photographer could become a part of any level that they wanted to. There would be nothing to limit anyone from joining the advanced/highest level group. |
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06/18/2003 07:29:39 PM · #104 |
Maybe. I can only comment on how I feel about it.
To be honest I think it's probably something that it would be useful to vote on since if more people like the idea of competing in their levels than don't then it makes sense for them to introduce it...
Majority rules.
Well actually D & L rule but they seem pretty good at providing what people like so I am sure they are interested in what will appeal to the most people.
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06/18/2003 07:36:17 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
In my original post, I think I stated that any photographer could become a part of any level that they wanted to. There would be nothing to limit anyone from joining the advanced/highest level group. |
Fair point.
But then a lot of people who feel like me (if there are a lot not just one or two weirdos) might then do just that and won't that make the number reduction less successful?
Dunno really.
Just thinking out loud.
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06/18/2003 07:40:29 PM · #106 |
| Not really... I believe that a good number of participants would put themselves in the level in which they believe the could best compete for finishing results. |
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06/18/2003 07:41:32 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
In my original post, I think I stated that any photographer could become a part of any level that they wanted to. There would be nothing to limit anyone from joining the advanced/highest level group. |
oh my bad. i thought it said 3 ribbons--shoulda read more carefully! either way tho. heck you could even say a photog must have placed in the top 10 x amount of times or something. thats tough, however, because i think sometimes that just because a photo scores a ribbon doesnt always mean it is the best--just best in the mainstream--but then i suppose the same could be said for the ones in the top ten...dang, never mind, ive confused myself! :) |
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06/18/2003 07:42:57 PM · #108 |
I guess best thing is to either vote it or get D & L to make a decision without voting.
shrug
should be interesting whatever happens
thanks for starting the thread john
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06/20/2003 11:31:50 AM · #109 |
I have read this whole thread and I think I missed something.
The problem addressed here is that the challenges are just too big, right? And voting then becomes a chore. Maintaining the status quo is not the best option because the stats have changed.
Suggested solutions are to divide the challenges somehow, either by experience, randomly, more challenges or something else.
But what about the voting? That would still be open? You could enter the beginners challenge and vote on any you please? Looking at ehe photos and reading the comments is where the tidbits of wisdom are. You aren't suggesting that the beginners only be allowed to vote in the challenge they entered are you? |
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06/20/2003 11:33:44 AM · #110 |
| I didn't suggests anything... someone stole my password and came here as me and mumbled off a bunch of rediculous mumbo jumbo to make everyone call me an 'elitist'. ;) |
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06/20/2003 11:37:24 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I didn't suggests anything... someone stole my password and came here as me and mumbled off a bunch of rediculous mumbo jumbo to make everyone call me an 'elitist'. ;) |
Dont forget self serving too ...lol ;)
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06/20/2003 11:39:16 AM · #112 |
Well, I like all the suggesting. And I think we should go on suggesting.
So I'm going to suggest that the challenges be made smaller because the human compulsion to "finish the job" means that each entry gets less attention when the challenges are big. (and also I get less done at work).
And I suggest that the voting remain open. |
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06/20/2003 11:42:56 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I didn't suggests anything... someone stole my password and came here as me and mumbled off a bunch of rediculous mumbo jumbo to make everyone call me an 'elitist'. ;) |
Dont forget self serving too ...lol ;) |
That's true too... I have written a lot of self-serving tutorials and how-to's for use on this site. I didn't intend anyone else to benefit from them :) I also have, quite selfishly, helped out quite a few individually over periods of time. One of those has managed to win a few ribbons :)
I suppose I have become 'elitist' and 'self serving' these days. That's why I have to move into an arena where it benefits me the most. I'm not the only one who feels this way either... Quite a few people in past threads have said that maybe it's time for me to move on :) I have considered that advice, and believe it's very good advice afterall :) |
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06/20/2003 12:52:49 PM · #114 |
Occasionally, I'm tempted to put in a word for 'poor' Setz, who gets so frequently battered for his admirable initiative efforts and plights for change. Yet he never fails to surprise me with with his hinge- and swivel mounted contentions and tonal adaptions to his adversaries, persuasive enough to bend the unbendable.
Message edited by author 2003-06-20 13:02:09.
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06/20/2003 12:55:25 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Occasionally, I'm tempted to put in a word for 'poor' Setz, who gets so frequently battered for his admirable initiative efforts and plights for change. Yet he never fails to surprise me with with his hinge- and swivel mounted contentions and positions, persuasive enough to bend the unbendable. |
I have never changed a position here. |
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06/20/2003 01:04:33 PM · #116 |
Point taken.
I have since edited my post to reflect my meaning with improved precision.
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06/20/2003 01:05:56 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I also have, quite selfishly, helped out quite a few individually over periods of time. One of those has managed to win a few ribbons :)
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So who's the lucky one? I'm curious to know. It's one thing to be a helluva photographer. But I find it admirable that you've gone out of your way to help us less talented/experienced with the tutorials and the Critique Club and such. I was just wondering who was the recipient of your tutelage. - Bob
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06/20/2003 01:09:59 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by scab-lab:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I didn't suggests anything... someone stole my password and came here as me and mumbled off a bunch of rediculous mumbo jumbo to make everyone call me an 'elitist'. ;) |
Dont forget self serving too ...lol ;) |
That's true too... I have written a lot of self-serving tutorials and how-to's for use on this site. I didn't intend anyone else to benefit from them :) I also have, quite selfishly, helped out quite a few individually over periods of time. One of those has managed to win a few ribbons :)
I suppose I have become 'elitist' and 'self serving' these days. That's why I have to move into an arena where it benefits me the most. I'm not the only one who feels this way either... Quite a few people in past threads have said that maybe it's time for me to move on :) I have considered that advice, and believe it's very good advice afterall :) |
Let me know where you go, I dont ever want to stop learning or progressing with my photography either. Thanks John, some do appreciate your efforts :)
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06/20/2003 01:15:01 PM · #119 |
John has helped me out with some pointers in the past. I too, would like to thank John for his efforts here on this website.
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06/20/2003 01:20:00 PM · #120 |
zueszen, with your ave. vote cast of 3.7112 it looks to me that you don't think much of the photographs on this site either.
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06/20/2003 01:34:04 PM · #121 |
Would it be unreasonable to put a cap on how many challenges you can enter for a period of time? Lets say like 3 entries every 2 weeks or 5 entries a month or something like that? The downside is it only affects the members.
If this were the case, it might be beneficial to announce the challenges ahead of time, so people could pick their 3 challenges per 2 weeks (for instance). Shooting time limits should still be the same. I know that announcing things a week early has been brought up in the past.
This would serve to limit the number of entries (a little anyway) and also might give us a little more lead time to think about what we want to do, which SHOULD result in better photographs for everyone.
Don't everyone get bent out of shape about this. Its just a thought
BB
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06/20/2003 01:54:30 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by goodtempo:
zueszen, with your ave. vote cast of 3.7112 it looks to me that you don't think much of the photographs on this site either. |
I always find some that have my attention and interest, goodtempo, and frequently a few that increase my curiosity and heart rate. On occasion, I am inspired by a capture, even awed. There are of course a fair number of photographs that fail me, either due to a lack of interest on mine or their part, a gamut, in other words.
I have also come across the odd image or title I considered offensive to a civilized nature.
As to voting, some may 'spread' their affection. I prefer to concentrate mine.
Whichever our nature, the point is, IMO, that we should do as we believe.
Message edited by author 2003-06-20 13:55:38.
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06/20/2003 02:54:03 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by inspzil:
Would it be unreasonable to put a cap on how many challenges you can enter for a period of time? Lets say like 3 entries every 2 weeks or 5 entries a month or something like that? The downside is it only affects the members.
If this were the case, it might be beneficial to announce the challenges ahead of time, so people could pick their 3 challenges per 2 weeks (for instance). Shooting time limits should still be the same. I know that announcing things a week early has been brought up in the past.
This would serve to limit the number of entries (a little anyway) and also might give us a little more lead time to think about what we want to do, which SHOULD result in better photographs for everyone.
Don't everyone get bent out of shape about this. Its just a thought
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Find your propositions very reasonable. In fact, i now try to submit something to 1 challenge a week because that's already asking enough of my time. And indeed then it would be great to know in advance what the challenge topics are so that you can think about it and pick the challenge that fits best with your own interests. |
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06/20/2003 11:00:49 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I suppose I have become 'elitist' and 'self serving' these days. That's why I have to move into an arena where it benefits me the most. I'm not the only one who feels this way either... Quite a few people in past threads have said that maybe it's time for me to move on :) I have considered that advice, and believe it's very good advice afterall :) |
You'll be missed. Sorry to see you go.
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