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09/08/2005 09:38:38 AM · #26 |
I found the same thing, I was very bored with voting. I mean, I dont mind all the tree branches, but for the love of god bring out some kind of creativity, or maybe uniqueness is the better word.
I cant wait to see how it all pans out. GL everybody. |
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09/08/2005 10:47:44 AM · #27 |
Yes, the literalists who say "can't find the branch here" might look up the meaning of metaphorical branch.
But it's a fun challenge even if I do add another 4+ to my collection.
;>) |
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09/08/2005 11:30:16 AM · #28 |
I thought mine was pretty original. but apparently that's not good enough. i'm sitting at 4.5 right now.
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09/08/2005 11:48:45 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
Mine's certainly not a tree branch and it's not doing very well. Maybe I should have been less creative. |
same here, mine is not a tree branch but I'm sure there are lots of bad pictures of tree branches that are beating it right now. I'm at 5.03....
I dont' want to complain though at least I can enter. I'm going to blame the over 400 entries for my voting problem |
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09/08/2005 01:01:05 PM · #30 |
Do people get lower scores simply because there are a large number of entries in a challenge?
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09/08/2005 01:19:53 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by marvin:
And a tree branch is a tree branch no matter how it shot. I think many of them are very well taken and I gave some good grades. But the point I´m making is that I got bored looking at them all. |
My 2 cents. I agree that a branch is a branch, but what makes the photo in my admittedly newbie opinion is what else is going on in the picture (lights/shadows, interesting background etc.). Unfortunately for me since I had no clue how to properly upload the picture, my branch looks like a twig laying in a puddle :-( Oh well, maybe I'll do better in Branch II :-) |
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09/08/2005 01:30:13 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do people get lower scores simply because there are a large number of entries in a challenge? |
This is my thought too. I think after the 200th image, people most likely hit that ole five button and move on to sigh at the next branch that pops up on their monitors. Not all of us are blessed with river's tributaries, interesting architecture and what not in our areas, so if taking a good shot of an interesting branch and being somewhat literal gets held against us, then why even bother with the challenges at all.
Message edited by author 2005-09-08 13:51:50.
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09/08/2005 01:43:25 PM · #33 |
| I didn't enter this one. But as a voter, I've got 12 entries I've voted 8 or above. With only 1 of those being a tree. And 3 of them with something on the branch. Most of the ones I like do not involve actual branches. |
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09/08/2005 03:31:49 PM · #34 |
| I won't give a shot a 9 or 10 just for being creative if it is not also a good picture. And there are some that, no matter how liberal a meaning given to branch, I just can't find one. I was expecting more creativity overall, though. |
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09/08/2005 03:52:07 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Some topics can sound very easy to meet like Branch, or Shoes. Everyone feels like they are able to shoot something that will fit. This means that the sometimes timid newbies and lurkers will be more comfortable about making their initial jump into the fire. Maybe their entries are not very imaginative but I'm willing to put up with voting on the many repetitions as part of the process of helping beginners to learn their way around dpc, and photography. Think of it as another small task in the spreading of our collective knowledge to those seeking it. |
This is a great post, exactly how I was thinking. Something to bear in mind and even reflect and expand upon. Thanks coolhar!
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09/08/2005 04:05:29 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do people get lower scores simply because there are a large number of entries in a challenge? |
Its kind of like the old if a tree falls question isnt it.
More entries means more of the same or similar shots (how many pics are there looking straight up a tree, and the tree dead center? - note that this exact image did fairly well in perscpectiveI) that i think that we run into the SSDD mentality due to the volume of repetition rather than the volume as a whole.
Then with many many images, you have to start differentiating. Is this shot straight up a tree better than this shot straight up a tree. You could say well i'm going to give all of these photos a 4 and be done with it. But what if you would like to seperate then into the good and not so good...
Honestly, i did find myself voting lower on shoes than i would on say a members challenge due to the volume. Normally 4 is about as low as you can get from me. I think i might have given a 2 in shoes because there was a picture that it would have rude to all my 3 or 4s to include it in the same group.
I find myself having to use a wider scale than i normally would in order to serperate the good similars from the bad similars.
My "i dont get how this meets the challenge" vote is normally a 5 if it is a good picture, it was a 4 in shoes due to volume.
so coolhar, what is the sound of one hand clapping? |
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09/08/2005 04:10:01 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Some topics can sound very easy to meet like Branch, or Shoes. Everyone feels like they are able to shoot something that will fit. This means that the sometimes timid newbies and lurkers will be more comfortable about making their initial jump into the fire. Maybe their entries are not very imaginative but I'm willing to put up with voting on the many repetitions as part of the process of helping beginners to learn their way around dpc, and photography. Think of it as another small task in the spreading of our collective knowledge to those seeking it. |
I also would like to thank Coolhar. I am still relatively new here and enjoy all the constructive comments I do receive. I must admit that my shot is also of a tree branch and it isn't great. I had an idea of how I wanted it to look but had difficulty fulfilling my idea. I cleaned it up best I could to meet the challenge and put it out hoping for some comments to point me in the right direction. That is one of the things I like best about this site is the amount of knowledge to be gleaned from more experienced photographers.
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09/08/2005 04:16:59 PM · #38 |
I've actually rated 67 pics at 7 or above. I thought I remained pretty fair overall. But I like trees, so maybe I'm biased. :)
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09/08/2005 04:26:04 PM · #39 |
This is the first photo that I've entered in a challenge that was not intended for the challenge. I was on vacation all last week (left before the challenge was announced) and got back late on Labor Day. Tuesday when I checked the computer I found out what the challenge was and found a photo among those taken on my trip (yes it was a branch of the tree variety) that fit perfectly.
I wonder how often people choose a photo that was not intended for the challenge to enter?
I agree with others that inherently creative entries are great, but sometimes shooting the same old object in a creative way is just as interesting. |
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09/08/2005 05:03:05 PM · #40 |
| oh and Slippy ~ i'll be there (with branches on!) |
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09/08/2005 05:28:36 PM · #41 |
I would never say that you cant take a creative shot of a tree branch an it look good, just it gets old looking at 200+ tree branches. I am also on the soap box that since my picture is not of the "what you think of a branch" varity that it is being scored lower, My shot only has one somewhat good comment (and by that I mean somthing other than "wheres the branch") and within it I got that the lighting was flat(where the lighting was focused on the subject to only concentrate on it plus it is sitting on a mirror so the ligh not reflected by the subject was reflected away, the next comment was that the DPE was small...well it is a macro shot...can anyone tell me how to get a large DPE with a macro? I will say I think I resized the image a bit small as alot of detail was destroyed in the process.
But the biggest thing is when every comment is "wheres the branch" Or I dont think this fits, I wonder if it is being judged on the quality of the shot or how it fits the theam. |
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09/08/2005 05:49:53 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
But the biggest thing is when every comment is "wheres the branch" Or I dont think this fits, I wonder if it is being judged on the quality of the shot or how it fits the theam. |
Both.
First and formost the theme, then the quality.
After all we are set a theme, that is the purpose of this site. To adhere to a theme. Elsewise what would be the point og the challenge.
That said, you cannot think out of the box and expect a high score, because for it to be thinking outside the box, others have not thought the same thing and therefore might not "get" your OOTB thinking. |
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09/08/2005 06:32:13 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
But the biggest thing is when every comment is "wheres the branch" Or I dont think this fits, I wonder if it is being judged on the quality of the shot or how it fits the theam. |
Both.
First and formost the theme, then the quality.
After all we are set a theme, that is the purpose of this site. To adhere to a theme. Elsewise what would be the point og the challenge.
That said, you cannot think out of the box and expect a high score, because for it to be thinking outside the box, others have not thought the same thing and therefore might not "get" your OOTB thinking. |
By that reasoning there will only ever be frustration for me here. The theme that we were to adhere to this challenge says: "A tree branch, a bank branch, a metaphorical branch. This word has many different meanings. Take a photograph relating to one of them." The language here ("metaphorical," "many different meanings") almost explicitly says "Think out of the box." But your perspective says that thinking out of the box will hurt my scores because some people don't/can't.
I'm at a 5.2 right now, but 2 of my 6 comments are of the "don't see the branch" variety. I also think that the correlation between lots of submissions and low scores has more to do with so many of those submitters being people who shot a tree branch and who see anything else as a flawed entry. I think this may be my last submission here... Too frustrating.
Message edited by author 2005-09-08 18:45:38.
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09/08/2005 07:01:06 PM · #44 |
Pholcozz, Some of us vote very literally, even though the theme may be broader, others vote very broadly. Yes, I'v taken a beating for thinking out of the box (take a look at my Family entry, meaning: a group of related people/items/things,) I've also gathered a lot of great information about how the general/photographic public views my images. It is the one place I know of that I can get lots of unbiased opinions/feedback about my work.
I do see branches in many forms. I'm nearly 1/2 way through my voting and the majority of my top scored images are not tree branches. My own entry is a wooden branch - but not typical. It is running between 5.8 to 6.0. There is room for stepping out of the box in this and all entries. Just do it with flair if you wish to score well.
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09/08/2005 07:12:36 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by philcozz:
I'm at a 5.2 right now, but 2 of my 6 comments are of the "don't see the branch" variety. I also think that the correlation between lots of submissions and low scores has more to do with so many of those submitters being people who shot a tree branch and who see anything else as a flawed entry. I think this may be my last submission here... Too frustrating. |
1. 5.2 isn't that bad....look at Challenge History and study the mid-range scores along with the other stats.
2. Scores are not a measure of your photographic accomplishment--they are subjective reactions recorded in a numerical format.
STORY: A lot of people go to the university near me--they are people who, for the most part, rarely received below a B in any of their High School classes. They scored very well on their SAT's. They are used to being on "top". What a surprise so many of them have when they are now the "C" student! (It takes some adjustment, but most would not give up their place among the best and the brightest simply because they could no longer be first. If everyone who was the pitcher on their little league team wouldn't play unless they got to pitch in the Majors there would be no baseball.)
3. Go take another picture and let us see it. (Please?) |
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09/08/2005 08:42:16 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
2. Scores are not a measure of your photographic accomplishment--they are subjective reactions recorded in a numerical format.
STORY: A lot of people go to the university near me--they are people who, for the most part, rarely received below a B in any of their High School classes. They scored very well on their SAT's. They are used to being on "top". What a surprise so many of them have when they are now the "C" student! (It takes some adjustment, but most would not give up their place among the best and the brightest simply because they could no longer be first. If everyone who was the pitcher on their little league team wouldn't play unless they got to pitch in the Majors there would be no baseball.)
3. Go take another picture and let us see it. (Please?) |
You go 'head and read on sister... I'll turn the pages! ;-D
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09/08/2005 08:57:56 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Dreamerdoll:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do people get lower scores simply because there are a large number of entries in a challenge? |
This is my thought too. I think after the 200th image, people most likely hit that ole five button and move on to sigh at the next branch that pops up on their monitors. Not all of us are blessed with river's tributaries, interesting architecture and what not in our areas, so if taking a good shot of an interesting branch and being somewhat literal gets held against us, then why even bother with the challenges at all. |
I have to admit, I was getting sick of the tree branches too. I didn't shoot a tree branch as my subject for that reason alone...I knew the originality would suffer. With over 400 entries...c'mon! But what do I know, I am holding steady around 4.8. |
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09/08/2005 09:04:46 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by philcozz:
The language here ("metaphorical," "many different meanings") almost explicitly says "Think out of the box." But your perspective says that thinking out of the box will hurt my scores because some people don't/can't. |
I don't agree with this, but it just seems to be the way the voters vote. there are plenty of way more benifical and educational aspects of the site that far outweigh ribboning or scoring high votes. Sure they are nice, but it isn't the be all and end all.
I'd much rather you stayed and fought the anti-OOTB system with me than left :D |
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09/08/2005 09:13:51 PM · #49 |
Mine has a branch, but used creatively and I get comments that say "what does ______ have to do with branch." DUHHH - it's in the picture as a useful prop. HELLO?????
I think out of the box and get shoved in it with the lid shut tight.
Judy |
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09/08/2005 09:23:59 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
Mine has a branch, but used creatively and I get comments that say "what does ______ have to do with branch." DUHHH - it's in the picture as a useful prop. HELLO?????
I think out of the box and get shoved in it with the lid shut tight.
Judy |
Same thing here. I get"I wished there were more branches or at least used as the focal point", errrrr. Or " The branch is not the focal point of your entry, it does not meet the Challenge". :( |
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