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09/11/2005 11:00:02 PM · #1 |
Very well put Shecoya. I agree with you. Just keep entering photos that you like. Don't get too discouraged, and most importantly...have fun!
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09/11/2005 08:41:11 PM · #2 |
Newbie here.. first challenge I entered is the Branch one... there is so much negativity around this challenge I have to admit its a bit disheartening. Isnt art subjective.. isnt it different for each person? The challenge was Branch... and interpretation is what art is. Perhaps the tree trunk signifies a persons journey.. perhaps they have never taken the time to branch out of themselves and actually see the beauty of a tree trunk?
I was very excited to start getting involved in challenges.. *still am* but a little disillusioned by much of the negativity. This is a place for me to come and learn and expand and grow... Branch was a fairly safe place for me to take that first step in the learning journey... I dont know much about the tech. side of photography.. I do know what draws emotion out of me. I know what I like and dont like .. not necessarily all of the in's and out's necessarily but i'm willing to learn.
So some people took pictures of canopy's of branches and tree trunks and perhaps to you they arent art.. to them tho? Who are we to say?
I'm doing well in the challenge... getting amazing comments over 28 so far... and all validating what I knew needed to be fixed in my image.. so its been a great challenge for the new person.
Thanks everyone for being part of my exploration and journey into this pretty magical world of photog's
~Roz~
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09/11/2005 07:58:50 PM · #3 |
| was the topic branch??? I pulled my orginal entry because it was a plural of branch..so obviously in this challenge branches are ok? I thought it was just branch, in the singular form. |
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09/11/2005 01:40:45 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Minor grumble here: ... "Why do so many people think TRUNKS are BRANCHES?" ... it offends my sense of precision-in-language...
R. |
I agree. That drove me nuts too. That and palm "branches". Those are palm *fronds*. |
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09/11/2005 01:34:33 AM · #5 |
Yeah, this whole challenge left me feeling blah. I try to rate each shot on it's own merit, but when you've seen 200 trees, it's kind of hard not to just lump them all together.
I'm looking forward to the perspective challenge. There will lots of varied entries in that one. I fear Portraits will have many snapshots of people's little kids. That's not a bad thing, but I'm emphasizing the snapshot here. |
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09/10/2005 11:19:20 PM · #6 |
[Votes: 216
Views: 275
Avg Vote: 5.4491
Comments: 13
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Wish I could get closer to the 6 mark... :| oh,well! |
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09/10/2005 02:11:32 PM · #7 |
Minor grumble here: I'm finally gutting it out anf going back into this one to finish voting, and I can't help thinking to myself "Why do so many people think TRUNKS are BRANCHES?" I mean, in the context of a tree, you have trunks and branches jut out from them. I've made a conscious decision not to let that affect me though; I'm treating trunks as big branches for definition purposes. But it offends my sense of precision-in-language...
R.
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09/09/2005 06:02:55 PM · #8 |
Voting on that lot hurt much more than Shoes :(
I'd like to be able to vote on everything without seeing a title. 92.3147% of the titles were crap. I didn't read the rest...
I'll come back tomorrow to add some more comments and start sorting 5s into 4s and 6s into 5s and 7s :D I think I already know the 8s and 9s. If I have another glass of Scotch I'll find a 10 or even an 11 ....
Did anyone else keep expecting to see training shoes dangling from branches?
Roger
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09/09/2005 05:30:22 PM · #9 |
wow... that took a while. Need to go through it again.(Ugh) I was a touch surprised at the number of cranes. And darn it no one did any highly suggestive shots... ya know Title: Dead Wood
Shot: Bleached Dead branch with perspective from very close to the branch out along it as it stretches out over a scene of two people on a blanket out somewhere. (in very clear focus in the foreground of the frame on the branch we see a little blue pill.
:)
Does anyone else have the problem of great ideas but no way to honestly do them ? /sigh
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09/09/2005 04:48:08 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Here's the math, read it and weep:
Shots involving tree branches = about 329, or 76%.
Shots not involving tree branches = about 104, or 24%.
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but you forgot the shots that look like they're of a tree branch but really arn't...
and if i really wanna weep, i'll just read my score, thankyouverymuch...
;)
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09/09/2005 04:46:17 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
But we're still more special. =)
b/c of the 104 how many are of the same subject? |
LOL, I'm still going to post a rant & see if it catches fire.
;-)
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09/09/2005 04:46:08 PM · #12 |
Come on strikeslip, dont be crazy now! LOL, rationalize I know its hard, but there are some photos in this that really deserve good scores. (not mine, but somewhere) |
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09/09/2005 04:44:45 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Here's the math, read it and weep:
Shots involving tree branches = about 329, or 76%.
Shots not involving tree branches = about 104, or 24%.
So what does this mean? The 24% of OOTBers aren't really all that special? |
But we're still more special. =)
b/c of the 104 how many are of the same subject? |
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09/09/2005 04:40:56 PM · #14 |
Here's the math, read it and weep:
Shots involving tree branches = about 329, or 76%.
Shots not involving tree branches = about 104, or 24%.
So what does this mean? The 24% of OOTBers aren't really all that special?
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09/09/2005 04:06:45 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by ecdillon:
I am about 60% done with the voting on the branch challenge. I am finding that I am voting most people with a non-tree branches higher because I find their shots more creative and so many tree branches are so similar. So to counter the idea that tree branches will score higher because they more obviously fit the challenge, for me they aren't doing as well. Of course if there are enough people on both sides of the debate the scores will even out.
I think most photos will be voted based on whether the viewer can identify a "branch" immediately, whether literal or figurative. |
This gives me an idea... 10's for anything with a wooden branch in it, and 1's for the rest! I'm going to try it out & see if my votes get filtered.
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09/09/2005 04:01:41 PM · #16 |
I am about 60% done with the voting on the branch challenge. I am finding that I am voting most people with a non-tree branches higher because I find their shots more creative and so many tree branches are so similar. So to counter the idea that tree branches will score higher because they more obviously fit the challenge, for me they aren't doing as well. Of course if there are enough people on both sides of the debate the scores will even out.
I think most photos will be voted based on whether the viewer can identify a "branch" immediately, whether literal or figurative. |
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09/09/2005 01:33:22 PM · #17 |
I made the mistake of including some organic elements in my photo that some think are my branch ... they're not looking at the subject of the photo which has a very clear branch theme to it ...
-sigh-
Of course that's only two of the seven comments. My score seems to be holding above 5.5, so some folks are probably getting it.
I obviously didn't frame my composition properly to draw out the "branches" that I see so clearly. Live and learn.
Jmritz - of course sometimes I think that commenters just go around cutting and pasting the same comment "I wish there was more branch in this picture so that it could be on topic." |
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09/08/2005 09:23:59 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
Mine has a branch, but used creatively and I get comments that say "what does ______ have to do with branch." DUHHH - it's in the picture as a useful prop. HELLO?????
I think out of the box and get shoved in it with the lid shut tight.
Judy |
Same thing here. I get"I wished there were more branches or at least used as the focal point", errrrr. Or " The branch is not the focal point of your entry, it does not meet the Challenge". :( |
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09/08/2005 09:13:51 PM · #19 |
Mine has a branch, but used creatively and I get comments that say "what does ______ have to do with branch." DUHHH - it's in the picture as a useful prop. HELLO?????
I think out of the box and get shoved in it with the lid shut tight.
Judy |
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09/08/2005 09:04:46 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by philcozz:
The language here ("metaphorical," "many different meanings") almost explicitly says "Think out of the box." But your perspective says that thinking out of the box will hurt my scores because some people don't/can't. |
I don't agree with this, but it just seems to be the way the voters vote. there are plenty of way more benifical and educational aspects of the site that far outweigh ribboning or scoring high votes. Sure they are nice, but it isn't the be all and end all.
I'd much rather you stayed and fought the anti-OOTB system with me than left :D |
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09/08/2005 08:57:56 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Dreamerdoll:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Do people get lower scores simply because there are a large number of entries in a challenge? |
This is my thought too. I think after the 200th image, people most likely hit that ole five button and move on to sigh at the next branch that pops up on their monitors. Not all of us are blessed with river's tributaries, interesting architecture and what not in our areas, so if taking a good shot of an interesting branch and being somewhat literal gets held against us, then why even bother with the challenges at all. |
I have to admit, I was getting sick of the tree branches too. I didn't shoot a tree branch as my subject for that reason alone...I knew the originality would suffer. With over 400 entries...c'mon! But what do I know, I am holding steady around 4.8. |
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09/08/2005 08:42:16 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
2. Scores are not a measure of your photographic accomplishment--they are subjective reactions recorded in a numerical format.
STORY: A lot of people go to the university near me--they are people who, for the most part, rarely received below a B in any of their High School classes. They scored very well on their SAT's. They are used to being on "top". What a surprise so many of them have when they are now the "C" student! (It takes some adjustment, but most would not give up their place among the best and the brightest simply because they could no longer be first. If everyone who was the pitcher on their little league team wouldn't play unless they got to pitch in the Majors there would be no baseball.)
3. Go take another picture and let us see it. (Please?) |
You go 'head and read on sister... I'll turn the pages! ;-D
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09/08/2005 07:12:36 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by philcozz:
I'm at a 5.2 right now, but 2 of my 6 comments are of the "don't see the branch" variety. I also think that the correlation between lots of submissions and low scores has more to do with so many of those submitters being people who shot a tree branch and who see anything else as a flawed entry. I think this may be my last submission here... Too frustrating. |
1. 5.2 isn't that bad....look at Challenge History and study the mid-range scores along with the other stats.
2. Scores are not a measure of your photographic accomplishment--they are subjective reactions recorded in a numerical format.
STORY: A lot of people go to the university near me--they are people who, for the most part, rarely received below a B in any of their High School classes. They scored very well on their SAT's. They are used to being on "top". What a surprise so many of them have when they are now the "C" student! (It takes some adjustment, but most would not give up their place among the best and the brightest simply because they could no longer be first. If everyone who was the pitcher on their little league team wouldn't play unless they got to pitch in the Majors there would be no baseball.)
3. Go take another picture and let us see it. (Please?) |
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09/08/2005 07:01:06 PM · #24 |
Pholcozz, Some of us vote very literally, even though the theme may be broader, others vote very broadly. Yes, I'v taken a beating for thinking out of the box (take a look at my Family entry, meaning: a group of related people/items/things,) I've also gathered a lot of great information about how the general/photographic public views my images. It is the one place I know of that I can get lots of unbiased opinions/feedback about my work.
I do see branches in many forms. I'm nearly 1/2 way through my voting and the majority of my top scored images are not tree branches. My own entry is a wooden branch - but not typical. It is running between 5.8 to 6.0. There is room for stepping out of the box in this and all entries. Just do it with flair if you wish to score well.
Becky |
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09/08/2005 06:32:13 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
But the biggest thing is when every comment is "wheres the branch" Or I dont think this fits, I wonder if it is being judged on the quality of the shot or how it fits the theam. |
Both.
First and formost the theme, then the quality.
After all we are set a theme, that is the purpose of this site. To adhere to a theme. Elsewise what would be the point og the challenge.
That said, you cannot think out of the box and expect a high score, because for it to be thinking outside the box, others have not thought the same thing and therefore might not "get" your OOTB thinking. |
By that reasoning there will only ever be frustration for me here. The theme that we were to adhere to this challenge says: "A tree branch, a bank branch, a metaphorical branch. This word has many different meanings. Take a photograph relating to one of them." The language here ("metaphorical," "many different meanings") almost explicitly says "Think out of the box." But your perspective says that thinking out of the box will hurt my scores because some people don't/can't.
I'm at a 5.2 right now, but 2 of my 6 comments are of the "don't see the branch" variety. I also think that the correlation between lots of submissions and low scores has more to do with so many of those submitters being people who shot a tree branch and who see anything else as a flawed entry. I think this may be my last submission here... Too frustrating.
Message edited by author 2005-09-08 18:45:38.
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