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05/24/2003 01:21:52 PM · #101
mk, most of what i said wasnt in response to GE. i know Paul and understand that he's a rational individual and have nothing but respect for him. anything i said in defense of john was to people much earlier in the thread who may not realize that we like and tolerate (hehe) john not because he has won a lot of ribbons but because he has a track record of being a helpful guy on this site.

anyone who has a track record of being helpful and good is going to get the benefit of the doubt FROM ME. Anyone who has proved they have no redeeming qualities on the other hand ... :)


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05/24/2003 01:39:26 PM · #102
Originally posted by magnetic9999:

i disagree. he has been banned before for it, in fact.

this is a person with a history of confrontational and provocative personal attacks that are rarely, if ever, related to the topic at hand.

if i see him dragging down a discussion, i'm going to call him on it.


Magnetic, i disagree with you. Paganini is one of my favorite people on this site. I respect his opinion - sometimes he's right on and sometimes he's totally off the wall. Doesn't bother me. What i like about him is exactly that he is confrontational and provocative. It's much better to be provoked than having this feel-good atmosphere that's rather meaningless and that really doesn't help anyone to get BETTER. Some of these forum threads here read like syrupy Hallmark Moments. To get a certain crappy score from paganini that's more meaningful to me than to get the same score from some beancounter because they didn't feel you met the bloody challenge or because the border isn't to their liking.

If debates with paganini get polarized then really all parties involved are to blame. I had a minor debate with him the other day about interpretation of nature and though he didn't change my opinion and i didn't change his, it did not end up as a shouting match. In fact, i enjoyed the little exchange.

If i were to get a 'that's vomit' comment from paganini, i wouldn't be so childish to complain to the Admins. But i would send him a lengthy 'WTF' PM :)

I remember the great polarizing debate about paganini's theory of voting (1 i don't like it - 10 i like it) and he gave excellent arguments to justify his position. The only problem (and it was THAT which created the polarizing debate) was that he brought home that most people here (and, very fairly, he didn't exclude himself!) really do not have the expertise to really, critically, judge pictures and aren't the discerning art critics that they would like themselves to believe. The truth hurts, doesn't it? :) The funny thing is, recently i have become very aware that i have unconsciously adopted paganini's voting scheme without the radical 1/10 scoring (and suspect that really everybody is doing more or less the same :) ROTFL

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05/24/2003 01:45:21 PM · #103
There is nothing wrong with being honest to inspire someone to be better at what they do. However, provacative and confrontational stances are what bother me. A person can be honest without being superficially irrelevant. A person can also be honest and still maintain decorum.
05/24/2003 01:52:59 PM · #104
This thread has become too much abotu discussing specific users and is now locked. Anyone wishing to continue discussion of the specific topics at hand (John's photo, and whether posting non-entries on the challenge topic should be permitted) are welcome to do so in a new thread, but discussions of the posting habits of particular users do not belong here.

-Terry

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