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10/21/2002 12:48:29 AM · #1 |
| I just wanted to say that this challenge is going to be very hard to vote on... I just scrolled through the pictures and I see nothing but 10's!!!!!! GREAT JOB EVERYONE!!!!! |
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10/21/2002 01:04:33 AM · #2 |
Woo hoo!!! I get at least one 10.
T
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10/21/2002 01:15:34 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by smshats:
I just wanted to say that this challenge is going to be very hard to vote on...
I was coming in here to say the exact same thing!!! Just a look at the thumbnails and I'm overwhelmed! :) I'm almost afraid to start the "task" of voting... The positions will be soooo close this week. I bet there won't be much points difference between 1st and 50th position! |
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10/21/2002 01:25:21 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by louis1470:
I bet there won't be much points difference between 1st and 50th position!
man! out of the top 50 again!
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10/21/2002 03:43:11 AM · #5 |
| After seeing some of the entrees and voting on them I'm starting to have questions. Is the sun thought of as a artificial light source? and what about fire, isn't that super natural? but than again a lightbulb is just a controlled miniscule fire so I guess thats ok. I've also have been noticing that some of the pictures seem overly bright and lack shadows which would be noticable if the single artificial light source was used. Anyone else here with me on this? |
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10/21/2002 04:54:28 AM · #6 |
I don't consider the sun an artificial light source. I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. Many seem to think that it is one "source" even if it has multiple bulbs, but I don't happen to agree. I just subtract 1 from the score and move on.
Did finish the initial voting finally, and there are a lot of good shots this week. |
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10/21/2002 06:23:42 AM · #7 |
When you look at the thumbnails you think, wow, high quality this week.
But when I went trough all the 259 entries I was a bit dissapointed.
Sure there are some really good entries and I gave a lot of 8s and 7s, but on the other hand there are a lot of technically bad shots (1s, 2s, 3s). Great subject, very creative but simply out of focus, using to high ISO (noise), to large aperture to keep shutterspeed up but worsening the shot.
Focussing was a great problem I guess, I had some trouble myself as well. I don't condiser low light an excuse. Either use other settings, exposure lock, or set up a shot with more light in it.
A considerable amount of shots looked overprocessed in an editor. That is allowed, but some really worsen the pic. I think some people wanted to save what could be saved from an underexposed shot. I'd suggest to reshoot. When your camera cannot be manually set, think of something else to shoot or use a hotter candle or higher watt bulb.
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10/21/2002 07:30:46 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
...Great subject, very creative but simply out of focus, using to high ISO (noise), to large aperture ...
...sometimes things that are not 'technically' perfect to you are in fact a result of creativity. Keep an open mind. I submitted a photo a few challenges ago where I used 'soft focus' on purpose. DON'T assume the shot is 'technically' weak....the photographer might have used high ISO on purpose...after all there are great photographs throughout the world that are grainy, use soft focus, and have short DOF ;) z
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10/21/2002 08:12:53 AM · #9 |
I've only seen a few of the submissions this week big, but the thumbnails I've seen so far don't look like they're going to be blowing me away pic after pic. I have seen a few great ideas and I am waiting eagerly to see how they are big. My biggest problem this week was picking one to use for the challenge. I had 3 good ones, 2 were set-up, one was not. One of the setup ones had a purpose, but I went against it. I went with the one that wasn't set-up. I was anticipating seeing great pics, but am a little disappointed. But we don't have to vote on thumbnails.
Any one else have a hard time choosing between their pics for a 'winner'? I'll post my outtakes later tonight.
Good luck everyone!!
Inspzil
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10/21/2002 08:21:32 AM · #10 |
I agree with this assessment :).
I also think that a picture doesn't have to be 'gimmicky' to be a well-done use of lighting in a photograph.
and great ceasar's ghost, indigo, shouldn't you be asleep or something!!?
Originally posted by indigo997:
I don't consider the sun an artificial light source. I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. Many seem to think that it is one "source" even if it has multiple bulbs, but I don't happen to agree. I just subtract 1 from the score and move on.
Did finish the initial voting finally, and there are a lot of good shots this week.
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10/21/2002 08:42:56 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by smshats:
I just wanted to say that this challenge is going to be very hard to vote on... I just scrolled through the pictures and I see nothing but 10's!!!!!! GREAT JOB EVERYONE!!!!!
Just one question .. do you say that just to cheer people ? If yes ... I feel better ... if not ... I question that quick judgment .. no offense ;-)
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10/21/2002 08:49:35 AM · #12 |
I agree about the technically imperfect shot. Every shot doesn't have to have 100% depth of field in focus. Many portraits would look terrible if the background was in focus. I take the photographs as they are and how well they meet the challenge.
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10/21/2002 09:08:29 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by indigo997:
I don't consider the sun an artificial light source. I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. Many seem to think that it is one "source" even if it has multiple bulbs, but I don't happen to agree. I just subtract 1 from the score and move on.
Did finish the initial voting finally, and there are a lot of good shots this week.
YES! YES!
I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. |
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10/21/2002 09:28:45 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by goodtempo:
I agree about the technically imperfect shot. Every shot doesn't have to have 100% depth of field in focus. Many portraits would look terrible if the background was in focus. I take the photographs as they are and how well they meet the challenge.
I am not talking about using DOF or a creative blur.
I am talking about unintentional low light autofocus failure (nothing in focus and not because of being creative);
and using F2 to get a shutterspeed you can still handhold where F3-5 and using a tripod would have been so much better and useful (also in a creative blur sense).
There is also one great shot where jpeg artifacts ruin the whole image and there are a lot of other entries with bad compression (small file size and artifact bonanza). |
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10/21/2002 09:52:10 AM · #15 |
Azrifel - your attitude is exactly why I didn't submit. My camera is fully automatic, and has a huge problem with graininess in low light photos. I don't own any powerful lights, and I didn't want to go out and buy anything expensive just for the challenge. So, no submission. But if I'd wanted to submit just for fun anyway, people like you would have rated me down simply for having a low end camera and not a lot of equipment.
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10/21/2002 09:56:15 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I am talking about unintentional low light autofocus failure (nothing in focus and not because of being creative);
and using F2 to get a shutterspeed you can still handhold where F3-5 and using a tripod would have been so much better and useful (also in a creative blur sense).[/i]
Don't forget that not everyone has control over these settings.
I know that we are rating pictures here not cameras but there are a wide variety of cameras used for the challenges, not all of them have complete manual control of the setup.
Cheers,
Tim
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10/21/2002 09:58:25 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by lisae:
Azrifel - your attitude is exactly why I didn't submit. My camera is fully automatic, and has a huge problem with graininess in low light photos. I don't own any powerful lights, and I didn't want to go out and buy anything expensive just for the challenge. So, no submission. But if I'd wanted to submit just for fun anyway, people like you would have rated me down simply for having a low end camera and not a lot of equipment.
That's what I just said!!
I felt the same but submitted just for fun and to get useful feedback on other aspects of my photo. Let's just say that the initial votes are not exactly standing me in good stead for a high placing!!
Cheers,
Tim
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10/21/2002 10:09:05 AM · #18 |
| I used a 100 watt normal light bulb for my shot. Not expensive at all. |
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10/21/2002 10:12:22 AM · #19 |
I thought that all the photos looked excellent in the thumbnails, but upon viewing fullsize there was alot of out of focus/grainy shots.. I tried to be open minded as I know not all cameras allow different ISOs, shutter speeds, apertures etc.. I marked 4 photos with a 10 this week.. The tens are all outstanding shots.. Although I hate to say it, some of the photos are defintely 1's and could well of been submitted as a joke..
As to voting, my current average score would of last week placed me in the top 3, but looking at the shots I marked 10 this week I think the winning shot will have to exceed 8 or even 8.5 to place in the top three this week.. |
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10/21/2002 10:21:02 AM · #20 |
My shot looks like I used more then one light, but I didn't. I bought a 500watt light and a defuser this week. Set the light in front and above the object I was shooting. There was no shadow. I was surprised myself. So look again, it could be my photo that you are voting down because you think I cheated. I didn't. And if you think they have used more then one light put it in the comment box with your username so we can show you how we did it. Thanks
Sonja
Originally posted by indigo997:
I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. Many seem to think that it is one "source" even if it has multiple bulbs, but I don't happen to agree. I just subtract 1 from the score and move on.
Did finish the initial voting finally, and there are a lot of good shots this week.[/i]
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10/21/2002 10:32:55 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
I used a 100 watt normal light bulb for my shot. Not expensive at all.
That's what I used and I have already got comments that the challenge said the lighting should be dramatic..
Oh well I too am hoping for some helpful comments from this challenge.
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10/21/2002 11:02:54 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
I used a 100 watt normal light bulb for my shot. Not expensive at all.
I tried photos with a 100 watt light bulb, but my camera produces a kind of stripy colour noise in light conditions like that. There's nothing I can do to remove it.
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10/21/2002 11:40:19 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by carsten:
Originally posted by indigo997:
[i]I don't consider the sun an artificial light source. I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. Many seem to think that it is one "source" even if it has multiple bulbs, but I don't happen to agree. I just subtract 1 from the score and move on.
Did finish the initial voting finally, and there are a lot of good shots this week.
YES! YES!
I also saw a LOT of entries with more than one light. [/i]
One thing to remember, I used only one artificial light in my shot this week but I did use a hand held mirror and other reflectors to soften the shadows and to "spotlight" one area of the photo. |
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10/21/2002 11:43:47 AM · #24 |
| This collection of pictures is going to be particularly influenced by viewers monitor settings. Is there a tutorial on calibrating you monitor yet? Who remembers where those greyscales went to? |
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10/21/2002 11:57:48 AM · #25 |
Because this is such a 'technical' challenge, I would encourage everyone to COMMENT as much as possible. There is a lot to be learned from this challenge, and for newbies like me we can benefit quite a bit. Scores ain't gonna help us, we need to know how to improve our photography...and with lighting being one of the most important (if not THE most important) element of photography, feedback will only HELP us all.
Let's not start arguing in the forums about wether or not someone used multiple lighting or natural lighting...spend that time give constructive comments on as many photos as you can...even the average ones.
Thanks...
z
* This message has been edited by the author on 10/21/2002 11:56:17 AM. |
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