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10/09/2002 09:16:48 PM · #1 |
| Maybe if you were only allowed to vote if your picture got in the top 50 or 75 or when you have submitted lets say 7 photos. It would be interesting to see. What are your thoughts? |
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10/09/2002 09:25:24 PM · #2 |
I think that would be very frusterating for people who on a normal basis dont place that high. I value their opinions as much as anyone else here. Just curious, why you would want to decrease the amount of votes and comments? Personally, I would like to see the voting and commenting even MORE. With your first suggestion you would only get 50-75 voters per 200 photos or so. I think it would make it also a little more pressure on those 50-75 voters. Say those 50-75 people were only able to vote on 100 photos, and only comment on 50. I think that would leave some photos with no comments at all.
Did you picture something differently?
~Heather~
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10/09/2002 09:25:54 PM · #3 |
Personally I think we should be encouraging more people to vote rather than fewer... as it is, there are over 4,000 people registered on the site and fewer than 10% seem to be voting. I'd rather see more participation.
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10/09/2002 10:15:36 PM · #4 |
No I don't care to hear comments from people who don't know what they are talking about and they don't know much about photography so they can't critique a photo correctly. They could still comment, but not vote. I feel the same about myself. I am not very experienced at taking pictures. You shouldn't beable to drive unless you take a test and same with almost anything in life. It takes experience.
I am sitting here thinking and maybe I am being to harsh. They have a good eye too. I am just thinking about what it was like for me when I first started. It was pretty overwelming. Voting didn't help me get better at photography. It was reading the critiques that people wrote about someones photo. I don't see that much anymore.
Just thinking out loud. |
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10/09/2002 10:49:43 PM · #5 |
| If only those who have submitted photos to a challenge in the past or present were allowed to vote, we could at least trust that our comments were not comming from the completely inexperenced, or "buddies." Some of the voting is so far off base from the stated intention of this site that it introduces an unreliability factor. I can take the score I get. Am not begging for a system that scores me higher. I would like to be judged by a group of folks who put some thought into what they are doing. For the most part DPC is that.But is it so outragous to hope that if a submission to a garbage photo contest evokes an olfactory response, it might not be voted down because it "stinks"? |
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10/09/2002 10:51:12 PM · #6 |
I'm just curious here...so you don't respect a photographer's comments if they don't place in the top 75? I had entire thread dedicated to how people loved my comments and critiques and I places less that 200th a few challenges ago. One of the top respected photographers and commenters on this site placed 108 in a challenge. I would not want to go not even one challenge without his critiques.
There is a gentleman who has not missed commenting on any of my photos, and has also made over 1600 critiques of photo. Good critiques of photos, might I ad, who placed in the 80s. I also would not want to go a single challenge without his critiques.
There are many many more people who don't have digital cameras that come here only to share their words of wisdome from photographing with film over the last 15 years or so. I think they are very respected although they have never entered, and have never placed.
Their votes are also very important to me. Different people have different voting styles. some people vote as to what they think the final score of the photo should be. (usually 2-7) SOme people use the full scale. I think everyone's vote is important. We should not segregate voters, or commentors.
It is a fair voting system, as all voters that simply give all 1's or all 10's are thrown out. Your vote is the average of the general public. I think that is fair, and I like it how it is.
That is just ME thinking out loud.
~Heather~
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10/09/2002 10:53:24 PM · #7 |
Umm I'd like to remind all you people who are looking for critiques and who are getting comments ... when you vote on a photo - with your OWN opinion you then have an option to leave a COMMENT .. it says nothing about critique ... Yes some people would prefer a critique rather than a comment but that's what you have to remember ... it's a block for comments and if you are lucky then some people will critique within a comment .. but it's still a comment ... so just igmore the "COMMENTS" you get that you don't like and move on to the next one .. and learn from what comments you get - whether is be "hey that's a nice shot" - take it as a compliment ... or it be "here's an idea - blah blah blah" and learn from it ...
Just over all ... I would think the main thing is to have fun ... and arguing isnt fun in my book.
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10/09/2002 11:23:23 PM · #8 |
Not arguing, just leaving messages, as this is a block for messages. I totally respect every comment made and that includes in the forums too. I am just trying to figure out where she is coming from. I think some of the comments on photos are funny, and some are just down right rude and uncalled for. There is a line between comments and pure insults. I also wish that we could get rid of the "insults" that simply say "you suck" or "I think you should die". Unfortunately, I wouldn't know how to go about doing that, without sacrificing the other comments recieved.
People and their photos deserve better than comments like that. As a person, respected or otherwise, no one desserves that. In that respect, I agree with sonifo, I just don't think it would be fair to the people that honestly try to single them out and say they can't vote/comment.
In regards to having fun and learning, I totally agree. And nothing helps me learn better than trial and error.
Happy photos everyone!
~Heather~
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10/09/2002 11:23:45 PM · #9 |
| So don't argue. I love a good fight. Find it intelectually refreshing. It will never improve my spelling but might make a difference in my photography or my understanding of the way people think. We read different books. |
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10/09/2002 11:44:28 PM · #10 |
Argueing is not my strong point. I always end up agreeing with the other person. Sad, but true.
Heather, I am not putting anyone down. It was just a thought that crossed my mind and was just wondering what everyone else thought of it. thanks for your imput.
I know that I voted differently now then I did when I first started.
They could use a spell check. lol |
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10/10/2002 12:01:20 AM · #11 |
| Spell chack might make me look like I knew what I was saying. Tat wouldn't be fair. |
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10/10/2002 12:04:05 AM · #12 |
LOL. Agree totally with the spell check thing. I guess that's why I took up art instead of literature. That is definately not my strong point. I like to hear different views on everything, weather I agree or not. Stick to you guns. :) Don't give in just cause someone else says so. You're opinions are are appreciated, as is everyone elses. If no one gave opinions, it would be a very very dull world.
Happy commenting!
~Heather~
Oh, and did I mention a spell checker would be nice! :)
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10/10/2002 02:35:12 AM · #13 |
I agree with most other people in this thread.
I think we should somehow encourage people to vote and comment, not the opposite. A site with such a large number of users really should have more people activly taking part.
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10/10/2002 03:04:19 AM · #14 |
| Differing views and opinions are great. Different reactions to those views and opinons should be no less valued. There are no standards here. We can dump on each other. All is fair. (Screw you!, This picture Sucks, Ew...,)So what if you are a stupid, uneducated, moronic, idiot from southern Kentucky? I can say that. And you can object. Is that the dialogue we want? It is the one we have. Can it be improved? Certainly not if the cable companies keep pushing the DSL into the hill country..... |
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10/10/2002 03:12:59 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by rapsiii3:
So what if you are a stupid, uneducated, moronic, idiot from southern Kentucky?
an excellent case for spell-check --- it would have caught that horrible mutilation of "California" :)
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10/10/2002 03:26:16 AM · #16 |
I don't think that restricting WHO can vote is even worth consideration. I would LOVE to see some guidelines on scoring added to the site... I think the 1 to 10 scale works, but there are too many different interpretations of what that scale means and how it is used. Everyone has their own interpretation of the scale. If we offered some sort of definition or guideline as to what each number represents, it could possibly offer some amount of standardization in the vote...
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10/10/2002 03:26:35 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by spiderman:
Originally posted by rapsiii3:
[i]So what if you are a stupid, uneducated, moronic, idiot from southern Kentucky?
an excellent case for spell-check --- it would have caught that horrible mutilation of "California" :)
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Spiderman, you are really starting to bug me! But that is cool. I not only live on th edge, I was there before you were born and expect to be here long after you have sliped over. The space I occupy is mine alone. Your judgment of my right to stay here is of little import. On the edge or not, I'm a step ahead of you. |
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10/10/2002 08:46:24 AM · #18 |
There could be a rating according to 'past masters' sort of similar to the With/without cameras thing.
E.g. Your votes count in the masters class if you have previously placed, or have an average >5.00, or have slipped the moderators enough cash.
The winners would still be from all votes polled.
There could also be some winnowing of voters who consistently vote contrary to popular opinion. |
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10/10/2002 08:59:33 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by UberFish:
There could also be some winnowing of voters who consistently vote contrary to popular opinion.
Ahhhh, some democratic fascism.
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10/10/2002 09:08:44 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by JohnSetzler :
I don't think that restricting WHO can vote is even worth consideration. I would LOVE to see some guidelines on scoring added to the site... I think the 1 to 10 scale works, but there are too many different interpretations of what that scale means and how it is used. Everyone has their own interpretation of the scale. If we offered some sort of definition or guideline as to what each number represents, it could possibly offer some amount of standardization in the vote...
All it would provide would be further fuel for the people who want to
analyse everything to analyse. There is nothing wrong with people
bringing their own perception to the voting scale. So it says
1-Very Bad ... 10-Very Good.
Nothing about is it good art or bad art, or good technically or bad technically,
or good for the challenge topic or bad for the challenge topic. Or
is it good entirely subjectively or not. I like that. People vote
on what they in particular care about. Its like a random sort algorithm
the good ones seem to filter to the top, everyone gets an idea on where
they sit in the 'popularity' scale across all of these topics.
I don't see how anyone can write a useful scale of 1-10 with
catagories that cross even the 4 I mentioned above, that is sensible.
Everyone could propose one that reflected their own particular bias,
but it wouldn't mean much more than 1Bad 10Good
Otherwise, how do you capture the entirely orthogonal branches of
artistic merit, technical merit, challenge suitability and general
subjective impact ? More elaborate schemes wouldn't help, they would
just cause more focusing on the voting, rather than more focusing on the
photography - which is the point. As a well respected forum poster
once said, about 90% of us could use better focus.
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10/10/2002 09:09:50 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by UberFish:
There could also be some winnowing of voters who consistently vote contrary to popular opinion.
I think we should make these people's vote could double.
Or is popular opinion the mark of a good artist.
<Insert your favourite Brittney Spears-type quote here>
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10/10/2002 09:17:54 AM · #22 |
Here's something that would be interesting that wouldn't involve any re-working of the voting process, but would include some additional post-voting statistics.
It would be interesting to add a few more stats to the results pages for individual photos that would show things like:
"Average score according to voters with >6 averages"
versus "Average score according to voters with <6 averages"
...Or something similar. All of the data is already on hand, and they do some calculations simliar to this already. I think I would find this at least as interesting as the current stats that show "Average vote according to users with cameras" and "Average vote according to users without cameras."
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10/10/2002 10:14:42 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by JohnSetzler :
I don't think that restricting WHO can vote is even worth consideration. I would LOVE to see some guidelines on scoring added to the site... I think the 1 to 10 scale works, but there are too many different interpretations of what that scale means and how it is used. Everyone has their own interpretation of the scale. If we offered some sort of definition or guideline as to what each number represents, it could possibly offer some amount of standardization in the vote...
John, thank you once again for bringing some sanity to this thread. It is very frustrating to see comments about who should be allowed to vote or how the vast majority of us are not qualified or capable of judging photos. Not all of us are that good, but most of us are here because we want to learn. Part of getting better is learning to see what is good or bad in other people's work.
The majority of us here vote according to the rules. The guidelines in the rules are pretty loose. If the moderators and system admins can put together a coherent voting guideline and make that a very noticeable link on the pages where we vote, I think that will help a lot. We're never going to get everyone to vote by the same method, but as long as this site is as wide open as it is, the best that can be done is to put out guidance and hope people follow it. I can live with that.
Mark
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