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06/13/2005 12:21:21 PM · #1 |
I am pretty sure my score suffered because many voters found it to be unnaturally framed
I am not sure I agree with that. Of course it is staged, but any decent photography (candids aside) is staged at some level - photographer composes the frame, adjusts the lighting, post-processes, etc. Also, why pillars, or a window, or a door frame, or a bridge are any more natural than a plate? Just because it was not the photgrapher but somebody else who has placed them where they are? My interpretation of the challenge was to create a shot where the frame would be a natural part of it, and it should not have mattered if it was staged or "found". Agree? Disagree?
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06/13/2005 12:26:33 PM · #2 |
Totally disagree. I believe the goal of the challenge was to get people out of the studio and into the world, looking around them to see what they could find. It was a visual skills challenge IMO; one problem a LOT of people have is that when they're shooting landscapes (especially) they don't even consider any sort of "framing", and there's nothing to create a subject/ground relationship. I think the challenge addressed that.
IMO your shot, while very pleasing to look at, is completely artificial and has nothing whatsoever to do with the challenge topic.
Robt.
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06/13/2005 12:27:35 PM · #3 |
How is that much different than having someone stand against a white bg, hold a picture frame in front of them, and take the picture?
I thought the challenge descrip said something like (too lazy to go get the descrip right now) "naturally framed by it's surrondings".
Yes, the item on the plate is framed, but it's a bit contrived and not so naturally "found".
Wasn't this subject fairly well beat up in one of the threads prior to or during voting of this challenge?
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06/13/2005 12:29:55 PM · #4 |
I agree with you on the natural/staged aspect.
I will say that you just never know how the votes will go. Looking though the framed challenge as in many before you see some wonderful shots that the voters just didn't find appealing for one reason or another.
A low score.... It's not always that your shot was not good, or done poorly. It can mean that others were more appealing to the general voting populus.
Many many shots meet the technical challenge but not the WOW challenge.
The voters speak with a loud voice and they also carry a big STICK!!
:O)
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06/13/2005 12:31:23 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Wasn't this subject fairly well beat up in one of the threads prior to or during voting of this challenge? |
Some people prefer avoiding the prejudicial influence of reading those threads before/during the challenge. |
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06/13/2005 12:34:07 PM · #6 |
Totally disagree! I believe I was one of those that commented it didn't meet the challenge. I said that specifically because it was created by you, I assume, and not naturally. To me it is a cop out shot. No thought as far as the challenge goes or just lazy to get out and find something. Like stated above, I think the intent was to get you out of the studio and find something in the real world. We all could have created framed shots if we stayed in the studio. I read your comments after the challenge and even though some said it did not meet the challenge, they still voted you high. EDIT: One comment: I like the picture, but natural doesn't seem to pop into mind anywhere here. Still I really like the picture...7
On the other hand, technically I think it is a good photo. I like the composition, the color choices, the concept. Way better than what I take for sure. Just not for this challenge. You had a lot of great comments on it as well and even in your own description you make reference to it not meeting the challenge. What did you expect?
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 12:43:54.
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06/13/2005 12:36:33 PM · #7 |
It actually didn't do bad at all, Lev. Placed in the 80% percentile. Not bad at all for one of the few, if not the only, studio type shot in the challenge. I gave it a 6 and somewhat agree with bear's interpretation of the challenge.
Be happy. :)
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06/13/2005 12:38:16 PM · #8 |
| I have to disagree. While your picture is pleasing, it looks/feels "artistically posed" and is not something I would think of as being "naturally framed". To me, "naturally framed" means somthing that you stumble upon that is already whole in itself. Even the blue ribbon taker for this challenge works for me, because of the outdoor/natural element to it: the photographer happened to take the shot right at the perfect moment when the acrobat was completely framed in the wheel. Even if they asked the acrobat to take a turn in front of the wheel to get the shot, it's still naturally framed IMO. |
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06/13/2005 12:40:33 PM · #9 |
Just my observation.
Some, but not all...and not the originator of this thread.
Participant here...
"Naturally Framed" question
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Wasn't this subject fairly well beat up in one of the threads prior to or during voting of this challenge? |
Some people prefer avoiding the prejudicial influence of reading those threads before/during the challenge. |
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06/13/2005 12:47:48 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
It actually didn't do bad at all, Lev. Placed in the 80% percentile. Not bad at all for one of the few, if not the only, studio type shot in the challenge. I gave it a 6 and somewhat agree with bear's interpretation of the challenge.
Be happy. :) |
Ken,
I am happy, no bad feelings at all :). I am satisfied with my shot, and that is the most important thing, I guess. Just wanted to bring it up for a discussion.
OK, let me try again. Look at the blue ribbon shot. Great shot. How do you know if it was not staged? And even if it was, would it matter to you? Does not matter to me, for sure...
Edit: this was writen before I've seen tpoc's post. So, it had to be outdoors then?
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 12:54:27.
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06/13/2005 12:52:18 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Just my observation.
Some, but not all...and not the originator of this thread.
Participant here...
"Naturally Framed" question
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Wasn't this subject fairly well beat up in one of the threads prior to or during voting of this challenge? |
Some people prefer avoiding the prejudicial influence of reading those threads before/during the challenge. |
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glad2badad,
you caught me :) . Yes I've read that thread, and I was well aware that my shot would be "borderline" (see the "details" section of the shot), just I wanted to do something different.
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06/13/2005 12:57:48 PM · #12 |
I did not enter, nor comment/vote on this one, but had an opportunity to review the entries before the results were tallied.
Some things that came to mind:
1) Was the frame something that the artist had to add to the shot or was it something that existed in the area that could be used to frame a shot? If it was added, I pretty much thought that was not naturally ocurring. The ferris wheel I considered naturally ocurring, but it fell into a different category for me.
2) Was the frame used in the traditional way (perimeter of the image) like a wooden frame or matte would be, or was it an element within an unframed total image that framed another element? I found this question to be too hard to rectify given the number of submissions that were using one or the other perspective. I chose not to vote/comment as I knew the perspective I held true, was considerably biased.
3) Some framing attempts used good use of Gestalt elements. They had partial areas of framing elements that 'seemed' to be complete although they did not fully surround the image. Others had only sides or only top/bottom coverage and were not Gestalt enough for me to consider that a real frame had been presented so much as the subject was accompanied by elelments that were alongside of it or above/below it.
Just some thoughts.
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06/13/2005 12:59:50 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by ltsimring:
OK, let me try again. Look at the blue ribbon shot. Great shot. How do you know if it was not staged? And even if it was, would it matter to you? Does not matter to me, for sure...
Edit: this was writen before I've seen tpoc's post. So, it had to be outdoors then? |
I guess the difference between yours and the blue ribbon shot would be impact. The ferris wheel shot just had a lot more punch, so you could almost forget the challenge topic. Yours is very nice, but just not as much punch, but I would say that you got away with the same "pass" at least from me - regarding challenge relevance.
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06/13/2005 01:07:06 PM · #14 |
| I liked it and gave it a 7. The plate, to me was the background and the leaves were the frame for the blackberry. It's a lovely picture. Just as much as some people can rationalize giving a low score, others can rationalize giving a high one. |
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06/13/2005 01:14:45 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Just my observation.
Some, but not all...and not the originator of this thread.
Participant here...
"Naturally Framed" question |
Well, I wouldn't know that, having avoided the thread myself : )
I agree that this is a well-done photo which many DPC voters might view as not meeting the challenge. |
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06/13/2005 01:41:01 PM · #16 |
Unless Blackberries grow out of Square black plates, this is as far from naturaly framed as you can get.
I agree though that capturing any simple view between branches or a space in the leaves isn't pure genius and you could vote on those as you will but they did fit the naturally framed theme.
Window or door frames didn't knock me over either but they fit in most cases unless they looked too posed.
I had about 8-12 seconds to get my shot and I entered it only because I saw the subject as being equally as important...if not more important than the frame. I saw the view, the frame and scrambled for my camera.
Message edited by author 2005-06-13 17:43:34.
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