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 03/31/2005 02:28:10 PM · #1
Just wondering which you hold in higher regard. It seems like not many "found" shots IMO make it to the top in challenges.
 03/31/2005 02:32:21 PM · #2
I think it depends on the photographer. SCalvert is a master of "studio" setup shots. Others are just as good with finding that perfect "found" shot and nailing it perfectly.
 03/31/2005 02:34:48 PM · #3
I hold the perfect "found shot" in much higher esteem than the "perfect" created/studio shot. It's my personal bias.

Robt.
 03/31/2005 02:37:05 PM · #4
Some people have great scenery or models available (Zoomdak and DrJOnes spring to mind) that lend themselves to high-scoring challenge entries. There isn't much in my area that's nice to look at (especially in the Winter), so I often make my own scenes. There are advantages and drawbacks to either approach.
 03/31/2005 02:37:06 PM · #5
I agree I hold a found shot higher because you have to have an "eye" to find it.

But not just studio created shots I wonder if the Bored top three were found or created. Don't get me wrong they are exceptional pictures and I'm in no way putting them down.

Just musing..
 03/31/2005 02:40:16 PM · #6
Maybe that's why I have no ribbons, my are all found. My studio is my eye and camera, at the time and place of the shot. Some good, some bad, and mostly ugly. :)
 03/31/2005 02:40:37 PM · #7
Originally posted by Beach_mel:
I agree I hold a found shot higher because you have to have an "eye" to find it.

You would need a very 'creative' or 'imaginative' mind to create things that don't exist in nature...
 03/31/2005 02:43:52 PM · #8
I say a 'found' shot can very well be 'made'. The distinction is not a clear one by any means.
 03/31/2005 02:46:04 PM · #9
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I say a 'found' shot can very well be 'made'. The distinction is not a clear one by any means.

that is the case most of the times.. you 'make' from what you 'found' or else its a snapshot :)
 03/31/2005 02:46:32 PM · #10
Originally posted by Beach_mel:
Just wondering which you hold in higher regard. It seems like not many "found" shots IMO make it to the top in challenges.


I prefer outdoor photography myself but have to give the nod to the studio folks. To create a scene with perfect lighting and content takes a special gift.

I hold that in far higher regard than just looking up and saying, "Oh, look at that!" and snapping a picture without thinking like this one:


03/31/2005 02:46:57 PM · #11
or a found shot can be made very well, so well in fact - that it seems to be created...

Originally posted by zeuszen:
I say a 'found' shot can very well be 'made'. The distinction is not a clear one by any means.


Message edited by author 2005-03-31 14:47:52.
 03/31/2005 02:49:14 PM · #12
Most of my higher placing shots have been created. Still, I think nature takes a bad rap here for other reasons...it's not often done very uniquely or with the forethought that studio shots are done. People just go out and think "nice weather, ooh, there's a tree" >snap<

The awesome thing is when someone like dsidwell, jonpink or dustin03 sees something happening in nature, evaluates the composition and lighting and nails a shot to the wall...



03/31/2005 02:54:27 PM · #13
I tend to focus on what is presented to me as found in my environment, and do very few studio-type or setup shots. I think that having a creative eye or the vision to see amazing things in our daily surroundings means more to me anyway, and are what what I have done best with.

As found:


03/31/2005 02:55:42 PM · #14
Originally posted by Beach_mel:
I agree I hold a found shot higher because you have to have an "eye" to find it.

But not just studio created shots I wonder if the Bored top three were found or created. Don't get me wrong they are exceptional pictures and I'm in no way putting them down.

Just musing..


My 'Bored' challenge entry 'Dirt Doodling' was initially "Created" but turned into a "Found" after I messed around so much trying to get what I wanted she actually became 'Bored'. ;^)

Actually, she is a great kid and comes in handy as a model once in awhile - very cooperative and fun to take photos of.
 03/31/2005 02:55:55 PM · #15
Originally posted by Beach_mel:
Just wondering which you hold in higher regard.


In what context?
 03/31/2005 02:59:11 PM · #16
Obviously, either one can be successful.

Some of BradP's highest-scoring shots are created


...and some of my highest-scoring shots are found


We hold good images in high regard. The source is largely irrelevant.
 03/31/2005 03:21:19 PM · #17
Originally posted by scalvert:
Obviously, either one can be successful.

Some of Brad's highest-scoring shots are created.

...and some of my highest-scoring shots are found.

We hold good images in high regard. The source is largely irrelevant.

Very good statement:
We hold good images in high regard. The source is largely irrelevant.
 03/31/2005 03:34:24 PM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:

We hold good images in high regard. The source is largely irrelevant.


For the most part I am in agreement with this statement. It is the final image that is important, not the path taken to get there.

I will make an exception and say that most wildlife shots will be lowered in my estimation if I find out they were overly set up. I say overly because there are in my oppinion degrees of set up, such as putting feed or scent out to lure up an animal. In most circumstaces I consider these methods reasonable. Or if say you were studying the mechanics of a bat's flight and captured one for that purpose. It's a line that the photographer must draw and adhere to.

Message edited by author 2005-03-31 15:35:26.
 03/31/2005 03:40:08 PM · #19
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by scalvert:

We hold good images in high regard. The source is largely irrelevant.

I will make an exception and say that most wildlife shots will be lowered in my estimation if I find out they were overly set up.


these are both true...the problem lies in that you don't find out the source until after the voting, when all you can do is grumble and think, 'if i'd known that was how the shot came about, i'd never have voted it that high...'

;-)
 03/31/2005 03:41:17 PM · #20
Time dictates that I use 'found' shots more than 'created' (in the conventional sense of the words), but I do enjoy the odd set-up when the need pushes me. You can learn a lot from giving yourself a target image, so I intend to try more of them in the coming months.

As an aside, I've mentioned previously that I have frequently found it difficult to vote fairly on 'found' landscapes, since I find myself impressed by a scene's subject, but not necessarily the photo/skill, etc. I think some set-ups are much more difficult to create the wow factor and, as such, deserve more consideration sometimes.
 03/31/2005 03:45:22 PM · #21
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by scalvert:

We hold good images in high regard. The source is largely irrelevant.

I will make an exception and say that most wildlife shots will be lowered in my estimation if I find out they were overly set up.


these are both true...the problem lies in that you don't find out the source until after the voting, when all you can do is grumble and think, 'if i'd known that was how the shot came about, i'd never have voted it that high...'

;-)


I was speaking more in general then what applies to DPC.
 03/31/2005 03:47:25 PM · #22
I don't have the time, equipment or imagination for set up shots. The closest I can get to a set up is to put the object on a white/black background, shoot and hope!

I try to use found as much as I can...hence the poor average scores in challenges.

Steve
 03/31/2005 03:49:16 PM · #23
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I was speaking more in general then what applies to DPC.

i concur, but i was speaking more about people who have no other life than dpc ;-)
 03/31/2005 03:55:40 PM · #24
Originally posted by skiprow:
...'if i'd known that was how the shot came about, i'd never have voted it that high...'


Hmm... I think I've seen that somewhere before. Recently. This is probably true for many setup shots, in the same way that knowing the secret to an illusion destroys the sense of magic. It's a bit disheartening that knowing the setup would make an image less appealing, but that's the way it goes.
 03/31/2005 03:57:58 PM · #25
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by skiprow:
...'if i'd known that was how the shot came about, i'd never have voted it that high...'


Hmm... I think I've seen that somewhere before. Recently. This is probably true for many setup shots, in the same way that knowing the secret to an illusion destroys the sense of magic. It's a bit disheartening that knowing the setup would make an image less appealing, but that's the way it goes.

well, there are those who are dis-illusioned when they learn the master's secrets, then there are those who can appreciate how much effort went into making the effort seem effortless

;-)
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