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04/01/2003 06:01:12 PM · #1 |
Hey all, I was just browsing some of your profiles, an activity I find extremely helpful, and I discovered an interesting "trend." It appears that score averages on photographers' overall photos roughly parallel score averages for votes given. In other words, and too simplistically put, those who give higher scores (on average) often get higher scores (on average) on their own photos.
Is this phenomenon true? I had a small sample, and I don't confess to be an expert at statistics.
If this is true, why would that be? Any thoughts?
-David
Message edited by author 2003-04-01 18:03:18.
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04/01/2003 06:04:49 PM · #2 |
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04/01/2003 06:05:50 PM · #3 |
a rough guess - people that have a better handle on what makes a good picture (i.e., those that score high on average) have a better grasp on the elements that go together to make a good picture. As a result they might give higher scores to pictures that maybe don't have all these elements right but have some of them...
Maybe if you know how to make a good picture, you can recognise the 'diamond in the rough' and see the potential rather than the final perhaps dissapointing result |
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04/01/2003 07:17:44 PM · #4 |
Hi Gordon
This certainly does not apply for me, I usually see ten to twenty entries that I really like and comment on these get good marks. While I tend to get slightly better than I give overall. |
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04/01/2003 07:22:31 PM · #5 |
| I think there was a thread some time ago where people posted average votes given/received. For me, it's consistently about 6.2 and 4.6 respectively. |
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04/01/2003 07:28:56 PM · #6 |
This is definitely not true with me -- but then my first entry got a really low score, and I've only got 4 entries so far, so my overall average is low.
I HAVE noticed that people who have been around longer and have entered a lot more challenges than I have seem to have higher averages. Which I find very encouraging -- it means that to me that (a) you can learn as you go along, which is one of the reasons I'm here to begin with, and (b) you can offset a photo that got a lousy score another time with a really superb photo. Which is a great reason to enter as many challenges as I can.
Like you, I find looking at people's stats very helpful and interesting.
Would the person who invented the rules for the challenges and the lay-out of this website please stand up? I'd like to say "bravo" on your genius.
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Hey all, I was just browsing some of your profiles, an activity I find extremely helpful, and I discovered an interesting "trend." It appears that score averages on photographers' overall photos roughly parallel score averages for votes given. In other words, and too simplistically put, those who give higher scores (on average) often get higher scores (on average) on their own photos.
Is this phenomenon true? I had a small sample, and I don't confess to be an expert at statistics.
If this is true, why would that be? Any thoughts?
-David |
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04/01/2003 07:32:55 PM · #7 |
| I'm pretty consistant average score I give is a 5.3. Average score I get is a 4.6. |
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04/01/2003 08:07:26 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
In other words, and too simplistically put, those who give higher scores (on average) often get higher scores (on average) on their own photos.
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I hate to be a pessimist but I suspect it's partly driven my the mentality of "They only give me a 4, so I'll only give others a 4". In other words we like to be "average". Of course I should prefix this statement with words like "some people" and "not everyone" and "perhaps" because I'm simply guessing.
Of greater concern to me are the people that have exceptionally low or high "vote given scores". I think "vote received" can vary wildly - you can be good or bad, but "vote given" should be average because of the number of contributors to this site.
I've seen people with scores like "received 7, given 3"... Personally I think anyone who gives an average of 3 is being too critical of others work, and perhaps a little pig headed.
For the record I have scores of 5.3 received and 5.7 given - not deliberately though, that's just how they pan out. |
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04/01/2003 10:13:45 PM · #9 |
I find my average given is 4.8 and received is 5.3. In late November my average given was 4.6 and my average received was just a little under 5.3. I think the differnce has been the opening of the "new" DPC and the members challenges. I've given very few votes under 3 in the members challenge. I feel for the most part that people who are paying take it a little more seriously.
I think my average received is about the same as it was in Nov. due to some abominable pictures, especially in the members challenge where I had 3 in the bottom 10 3 challenges in a row. I learned a lesson from that - Don't enter just to enter. So I sit out the ones I have a hard time with.
As of now, both my averages have been steadily, albeit slowly, increasing as time wears on. I'm more appreciative of the photos with potential and I think that's the biggest difference in my score. I gave few 10's at the beginning. Probably a dozen in the first 15 challenges. I'm less stingy about it now.
Good luck folks. Thanks for listening! - Inspzil
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04/01/2003 10:18:10 PM · #10 |
I vote very simply...
I generally vote on a 4-10 scale because I don't think that I need 10 different levels of voting... what's the difference between a 2 and a 3 or a 6 and a 7?
my average photo falls on the 6/7 line. Below average is 4-5 and above average is 7-8 and phenomenal is 10. I rarely give anything lower than a 4. If I give below a 4, it's because the photo holds no artistic value to me and it's poorly executed at the same time. I usually see no effort on photos that score below 4.
Everyone has their own way of voting, so it's really difficult to draw much information from the number score you get here. What seems to be more important is your finishing rank in the greater scheme of the challenge :)
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04/01/2003 10:19:58 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I vote very simply...
I generally vote on a 4-10 scale because I don't think that I need 10 different levels of voting... what's the difference between a 2 and a 3 or a 6 and a 7?
my average photo falls on the 6/7 line. Below average is 4-5 and above average is 7-8 and phenomenal is 10. I rarely give anything lower than a 4. If I give below a 4, it's because the photo holds no artistic value to me and it's poorly executed at the same time. I usually see no effort on photos that score below 4. ) |
Oddly enough, I have a very similar voting style. Weird! |
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04/01/2003 10:43:18 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Alecia:
good karma? ;) |
Dang, I know I'm good. Why are you bringing me into this, though? |
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04/02/2003 04:44:24 AM · #13 |
I've now decided not to vote until later in the week - found myself comparing most photos with my own if I voted monday/tuesday and that doesn't work for me. Not even sure about voting on challenges I've entered, actually.
Ed
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04/02/2003 05:17:55 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by sparky_mark:
Originally posted by dsidwell:
In other words, and too simplistically put, those who give higher scores (on average) often get higher scores (on average) on their own photos.
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I hate to be a pessimist but I suspect it's partly driven my the mentality of "They only give me a 4, so I'll only give others a 4". In other words we like to be "average". Of course I should prefix this statement with words like "some people" and "not everyone" and "perhaps" because I'm simply guessing.
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But aren't challenge entries anonymous? How would you know to give somebody a lower score for their picture? Or have I missed the point?
Originally posted by e301:
I've now decided not to vote until later in the week - found myself comparing most photos with my own if I voted monday/tuesday and that doesn't work for me. Not even sure about voting on challenges I've entered, actually.
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I take your point about voting earlier in the week, but in some ways I feel like I should only vote on challenges I've entered myself. It doesn't feel like I've earned the right to vote, somehow, unless I've put the effort into submitting an entry. (Although I have voted on previous challenges, the current 'Indoor Macro' one is the first one I've entered.)
As somebody else said, we'll all have our own voting systems. Having been used to the photoSIG rating system (3 thumbs up to 3 thumbs down, which in most cases means a range of 1-3), I relish the scope for differentiation a 1-10 score gives me. But I tend to reserve the extremes - a photo will have to be pretty devoid of any sort of merit to get a 1, and pretty damn near technically perfect (insofar as I'm able to judge that) as well as strike a chord with me to get a 10.
My 2p worth
Message edited by author 2003-04-02 05:19:17.
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04/02/2003 01:53:34 PM · #15 |
I've been disabled since last June and have been part of DPChallenge since Jan/03.
I can't always get out to "shoot" for the Challenge of the week but I love sitting at the computer and making comments and voting.
I've just recently become part of the critique club and enjoy this also, and I am learning more about photography by "doing" both of these things.
I vote probaby the same way as most of you, but if I had to enter a Challenge every week in order to vote on the photos, I'd really feel housebound. . . just can't get out and do it at times.
And I've got to say this also - DPChallenge is the best thing that I've ever come across!
For me, it's put some life back into my life.
Message edited by author 2003-04-02 13:54:59. |
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04/02/2003 01:57:59 PM · #16 |
| I have found that to be *extremely* true for quite a while, as a matter of fact... I'm at 5.6313 points given / 5.6809 received. |
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04/02/2003 03:31:50 PM · #17 |
| given 4.08, received 5.74. I guess I'm just slightly pig headed, but I don't do it intentionally, it just comes out that way. I give a lot more 1's than 10's I guess. It's always easier to find something really bad than something really good. I usually give one or two 10's per challenge and at least ten 1's. I'm starting to get nicer though, since when I go back to look at my votes I see that some of the 1's are worse than the others and unfortunately I can't move them any farther down, so the others have to go up. I find myself moving things under 5 up if they don't fit with the others, and those above 5 down if they don't fit. The majority stay within 4 and 5. All in all, I have found no correlation. Some people are just more "normal." |
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