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09/06/2002 06:10:23 PM · #1 |
I get a lot of comments to my submitted picture saying 'too dark'. On my own monitor the picture is perfect in brightness, so I start to wonder how the various monitors that viewers use have been calibrated. Would it be a suggestion to have, somewhere on this site, a simple set of calibration tools, like a white to black stepping scale and something comparable for the color settings?
Do people realize that a picture viewed on a monitor standing in a bright daylight office might be different from what they think it is?
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/6/2002 6:14:08 PM. |
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09/06/2002 06:30:45 PM · #2 |
This is an old conundrum. Even calibration software is subjective. I have messed around with the stepping scale, and it still leaves a lot of room for adjustment. The best bet is to aim for the middle.
I went through this with my first entry, Hannah Rests. I tried to accenuate the shadows to make the shape of her head the focal point. It did not go over well, and after seeing the photo on my monitor at work, I know why.
We can only judge what we see.
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09/06/2002 06:58:04 PM · #3 |
| Earlier threads contain links to some suitable grayscale art. How about incorporating one into the top of the voting thumbnails page -- folks can calibrate there before going to the full-sized images. Then you (D&L) needn't worry about putting it on every page... |
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09/06/2002 07:57:54 PM · #4 |
I constantly get remarks about dust and noise, yet on my monitor I don't see it. I am so puzzled by this.
Here is one example
Here is another
They both look fine on my monitor....can't figure it out....sighhhhh
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09/06/2002 08:13:11 PM · #5 |
They both look fine on my monitor....can't figure it out....sighhhhh
Grayce,
I'm afraid that your monitor probably is indeed a bit dark... I, too, see the noise on my monitor, and I know that my monitor here at home is rather dark. I have the same problem when I post stuff at home and then look at it later at work. My work monitor is really bright, and I find myself wincing (sp?) when I see it on the bright screen.
If you have the opportunity to view these images (which I like a lot, BTW!) on another screen somewhere, you might be able to better deterimine how much you'll need to compensate in the future. |
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09/06/2002 08:56:59 PM · #6 |
It looks horrible. To what resolution is your monitor set?
Originally posted by Gracious:
I constantly get remarks about dust and noise, yet on my monitor I don't see it. I am so puzzled by this.
Here is one example
Here is another
They both look fine on my monitor....can't figure it out....sighhhhh
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09/06/2002 09:59:01 PM · #7 |
Well I wouldn't say they look horrible but the noise definitely is there. But it may not be the brightness or darkness of the monitor. It could also be the quality of the monitor. It's possible, Johnmk, that images appear softer on your monitor then on better quality monitors. One method that I use is to always enlarge the image to 100% before I do my sharpening or any critical viewing. You can always scroll around to see things if you need to. BTW I like the photos, too. Are they scanned from photos that you took?
T
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09/06/2002 10:59:53 PM · #8 |
Let me set this straight, the shot is not horrible, but it needs a lot of work before being presented.
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09/06/2002 10:59:53 PM · #9 |
Let me set this straight, the shot is not horrible, but it needs a lot of work before being presented. (the eagle). White on White looks like it is very low resolution, but I do not see the problems with dust and splotches.
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/6/2002 10:59:21 PM.
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09/06/2002 11:18:51 PM · #10 |
That's wiered Z, I can clearly see what the commenters are talking about. White on white looks sharp enough to me but there are definetly blue/green specks visible in the shadow part of the shell and less so in the shadow on the bg.
You've commented on how dark my work is too. I wish I knew what I'm doing when I try to use PSP's Monitor Gamma thingy in preferences. Work there is definetly lighter than what shows up in Irfanview and online.
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09/07/2002 04:05:26 AM · #11 |
Sorry Zeissman, I knew you didn't mean that the photos were horrible, just that the specks and noise were very evident. I just didn't word that very well.
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09/07/2002 08:49:04 AM · #12 |
Looks like digital noise.
Created by..
1) Inexpensive camera/receptor or...
2) A high iso......or
3) pushing levels to straighten out an underexposure...
The color green and square size tells me its a pixelation issue and not a dust issue. Dust is normally larger and uncolored.
Post Script...I did a review search on DP Review and these types of pixeled artifacts on the Kodak 4800 are very common. The camera is not highly rated in image quality compared to simlar pricied cameras. Take a look at the problems the reviewer had HERE
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/7/2002 8:53:37 AM. |
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09/07/2002 08:58:06 AM · #13 |
| I have experienced all of the same problems as you have discussed here and at one point was ready to get a new monitor at whatever cost. My final solution was to make the adjustments with the Adobe software, slightly favoring the lighter adjustments. Finally, adjust the gamma to give an even lighter (brighter) screen. Gracious, I see what the others are talking about in your photos. I messed up many a picture with photoshop because I could not see what I was doing. I am not saying that is what is happening here. I understand PS7 has a better adjustment method but I have not taken time to read the doc yet. There is also other devices available at a cost of 300-500 but I felt they were also viewer subjective rather than scientific. I think LCD's are not yet as good as CRT's. Anyway, you might try the gamma thing. |
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09/07/2002 11:55:11 AM · #14 |
Hey everyone thanks so much for all your useful advice and comments.
Zeissman, my monitor is Gateway LE 5 Res is set at 800 X 600, and color is 16 bit.
TimJ I also enlarge to 100% before doing any sharpening, etc. The seashell was taken with my Kodak dc4800 and the eagle was scanned from a 35mm SLR.
Hokie, Which image has green? I don't see any. Thanks for the link, I did go and check it out.
David Ey I'll do more experimenting with Adobe...gamma, etc.
Thank you all very much for all of your insight and comments! I don't take any of it lightly.
nullMy PBase Photo Galleries
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09/07/2002 01:00:41 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Gracious:
Hokie, Which image has green? I don't see any. Thanks for the link, I did go and check it out.
The Snail Shell photo has a lot of green pixel specs throughout the photo. Almost seems like hot pixels that have been over sharpened. Overexposure tends to increase this type of noise as well.
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09/07/2002 04:16:56 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Gracious:
my monitor is Gateway LE 5 Res is set at 800 X 600, and color is 16 bit.
that is not an acceptable res/color combination any more. Either your video card or your monitor needs to be upgraded. I would recommend AT LEAST 1024*768 32bit color- ESPECIALLY if you are making digital photos...
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09/07/2002 05:44:15 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by cq107:
that is not an acceptable res/color combination any more. Either your video card or your monitor needs to be upgraded. I would recommend AT LEAST 1024*768 32bit color- ESPECIALLY if you are making digital photos...
I agree..32 bit is a must and higher res is better although 800 x 600 is passable for hobby photography..not for serious editing purposes though.
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09/07/2002 06:52:10 PM · #18 |
My display setting choices, in my control "panel" for colors are: 16 colors, 256 colors, High Color (16 bit,) or True Color (24 bit.) So is 24 bit the best I can get on my pc...should that be my choice, as long as I am using my current equipment?
I did go and change my res to 1024*768 and changed to True Color 24 bit.
Thanks for all the help everyone! :-)
My PBase Galleries
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09/07/2002 10:25:45 PM · #19 |
Ohhhhhhhhh Man! I am soooooo bummed. After adjusting my settings and brightening my monitor, I am seeing all the dots I kept hearing about. I shot a bunch of studio shots tonight and when I uploaded them I saw all the noise. Dunno what to do now. I really can't get a new camera at this time.
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09/07/2002 10:28:56 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Gracious:
Ohhhhhhhhh Man! I am soooooo bummed. After adjusting my settings and brightening my monitor, I am seeing all the dots I kept hearing about. I shot a bunch of studio shots tonight and when I uploaded them I saw all the noise. Dunno what to do now. I really can't get a new camera at this time.
Uncalibrate your monitor and they will be fine again :)
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/7/2002 10:27:53 PM.
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