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12/31/2004 07:43:51 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Niten:
I just realized Setzler looks like another friend of mine. Do you by chance have a tattoo on the back of your head of the Joker with his tongue out and the word Disturbed? |
No... I have a tattoo of Jacko's latest self portrait back there though :)
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12/31/2004 09:06:37 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
I was hassled yesterday by security just for carrying my camera in the mall. I guess I can understand their paranoia, but I think they're projecting it in the wrong place. |
I carry mine in the mall all the time. But I look like a LEO. I'm not but every one tells me I do. I think alot of it is the profiling done by the government. A 6'2" blonde guy just doesn't get noticed. We are very common.
What is done to you is wrong. Certainly file a complaint.
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12/31/2004 10:39:58 PM · #78 |
| Stalin would have been proud... |
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12/31/2004 11:02:53 PM · #79 |
I wonder what will happen when they check out your photographer identification and learn that you provided a police officer with a fake ID?
Will the situation escalate? Or, will they see the humour, pat you on the back, and send you home...
I wonder?????
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12/31/2004 11:07:49 PM · #80 |
I personally don't believe that carrying around a freelance photographer's ID around your neck is going to do any good, and actually, I believe, it will get you in more trouble, or at the least, give them more reason to detain you longer as they now have something else to investigate. It's one thing if you're photographing subjects having to do with celebrities, or related events, or emergencies that you have heard of over police/fire/ambulance scanners, but not for photographing construction sites or any privately owned location for artistic reasons. Unless you have a legally obtained photojournalists identification from a noted media service/outlet and are legitimately covering a story that can be backed up by a newsroom editor, I think it best to tell the authorities that you are a private citizen photographing, on what you believe to be public property, for artistic reasons.
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12/31/2004 11:19:39 PM · #81 |
Personaly it makes me sick, I refuse to give up my freedom and live in fear. I showed a photo of a bridge to some coworkers of mine, the first thing they said was "what are you a terriost" man that pissed me off. I know they were only joking but still. Its little comments like that, that get things started. I would like to say never stop, never stop, never stop.
Travis
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01/01/2005 11:06:24 AM · #82 |
Travis, I'm with you. Freedom is what makes America a great place. So, we can't ever forget that its worth fighting for. I disagree with the previous writers here that said lie, carry a press card, etc. Look the cop in the eye and tell him/her that I am on public property and it is within my rights to take pictures (assuming that you are not harrassing someone). Tell them that if they wish to detain you, they can arrest you or else let you go. Yes getting arrested is not ideal - its a hassle and might cost some lawyer money, just to ultimately have the "charges" dropped but freedom is worth fighting for.
And don't forget to tell you legislators, congressmen, etc (and remind your neighbors too) that on 9/11 it wasn't Americans who committed that act... rather it was a group of cultists (masquarding as a religion) from a number of countries that hate us and what we stand for.
If we want to be safe (and I'm a NYer, so the bullseye is on my back), we need to take the rights away from those who hate us and would do harm. The most effective step we can take is to deny entry and visa's to the USA for all citizens of hostile nations. And yes these nations are the Islamic ones. No more student or tourist visas. Freedom is earned. And enough of "it's not the American way". During WWII did we have German and Japanese tourists here? Of course not. We are at war with these people - whether we like it or not.
So let's remember to fight for our freedom every day. |
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01/01/2005 12:11:44 PM · #83 |
We're at "war" with ISLAM? Not even the President says that...
If we refuse to allow members of certain religious groups entry into our country based on their religion we won't be "America" anymore. There are LOTS of Muslims in America; will the next step be to round them up and intern them "for the duration of the crisis"?
Robt.
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01/01/2005 12:45:12 PM · #84 |
Yes Robert, we are at war with them. It is not a war we chose. And no, not all Muslims are bad - no different than in WWII when all Germans or Japanese were not bad. But there is no way to tell the difference between good and bad Saudi's, Yemeni's, Syrians, Pakastani's, etc. So as long as they live in countries where a significant segment of their populations expouse hatred of the west and tolerate and/or support terrorism - as far as I'm concerned they can all stay home.
These countries and their governments need to decide which side of the fence they are on. Their citizens have exported terror all over the globe for a generation now. It's time for the west to say enough is enough. I wish to stay safe without giving up my freedoms. If their tourists want to see America, we can send them the video.
As for Muslim Americans, I am not suggesting a repeat of the mistake the befell the Japanese Americans during WWII. The key word there is "Americans" But yes, citizens of hostile nations should be deported for the duration |
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01/01/2005 01:02:19 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by drz01:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Corwyn:
Originally posted by Morgan:
Originally posted by Jacko:
What he said
Originally posted by doctornick:
Glad I live in Canada... |
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Did we mention Canada Rules!! |
Another smiling canuck here...I sympathize with you. It must be frustrating for you guys... |
I also live in Canada and can take my camera anywhere without hassle. I have some great shots of the CN tower our city hall and other landmarks. One of my challenge entry was shot in the gaedens in front of our city hall taking over an hour not one stopped me or asked me any questions. |
For Heaven's sake....let's not assume that since this one person got questioned for taking pictures that the entire country is a "police state". I'm sure there's a few of us that have also taken pictures of state landmarks without hassle. Geeesh! You know what....I damned glad I live in the USA....the BEST country in the world! |
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01/01/2005 01:05:26 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
We're at "war" with ISLAM? Not even the President says that...
If we refuse to allow members of certain religious groups entry into our country based on their religion we won't be "America" anymore. There are LOTS of Muslims in America; will the next step be to round them up and intern them "for the duration of the crisis"?
Robt. |
But you did refuse a noted popular singer, who has been engaged in teaching Islam in a peaceful manner. He is also well respected by all members of Peace community. He was known as Cat Stevens til he converted to Islam, now he has a muslim name which I can't remember...but the truth of the matter is he was refused entry into the USA whilst on legitimate business??
Is that democracy at work or paranioa?? |
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01/01/2005 01:26:55 PM · #87 |
The strength and appeal of America has always been its diversity and tolerance. It will continue to thrive despite those that would force their beliefs on the rest of the world. The tide is steadily turning against tyranny and terrorism as the inate goodness of mankind prevails over the unfortunate deluded terrorists of the world. It is my fervent hope that 2005 will herald a new era of peace and prosperity conducive to great photography!!
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01/01/2005 01:45:54 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
I wonder what will happen when they check out your photographer identification and learn that you provided a police officer with a fake ID?
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There is nothing 'fake' about the ID as long as the ID does not misrepresent you in any way.
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01/01/2005 02:24:50 PM · #89 |
Formerlee,
That illustrates my point; that's not what America is (or should be) about.
Robt.
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01/01/2005 04:43:44 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by deapee:
...The police showed up a second later, asked for my ID and all the while interrogated me as to why I was there. They don't understand what personal enjoyment is...and kept bringing up 9/11. They said my actions were 'very suspicious'...
They wouldn't give me my ID back and basically detained me for about 45 minutes all the while asking me personal stuff like where I worked, if I was a Private Investigator, and over and over again why I was taking picture of a construction site.
...My answers were the same the whole time although they didn't believe me -- personal enjoyment...
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Good example of the paranoia I was talking about in the Really stupid question... thread.
Message edited by author 2005-01-01 16:50:42.
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01/01/2005 04:48:28 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by deapee:
...The police showed up a second later, asked for my ID and all the while interrogated me as to why I was there. They don't understand what personal enjoyment is...and kept bringing up 9/11. They said my actions were 'very suspicious'...
They wouldn't give me my ID back and basically detained me for about 45 minutes all the while asking me personal stuff like where I worked, if I was a Private Investigator, and over and over again why I was taking picture of a construction site.
...My answers were the same the whole time although they didn't believe me -- personal enjoyment...
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Good example of the paranoia I was talking about in the "Really stupid question" thread... |
Then post that in the "Really stupid question" thread...it doesn't belong here. Just because we're speaking our differences there, doesn't mean it has to be dragged into every thread.
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01/01/2005 04:55:32 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Then post that in the "Really stupid question" thread...it doesn't belong here. Just because we're speaking our differences there, doesn't mean it has to be dragged into every thread. |
Sorry but the opinions posted so far in this thread seem to connect strongly with the other one. I think the people who posted comments so far might enjoy going deeper in the matter... Just showing the way... Didn't mean no harm!
Peace!
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01/01/2005 06:12:57 PM · #93 |
I agree, I'm sorry...I just got worked up over the whole thing.
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01/01/2005 06:30:38 PM · #94 |
| Don't be sorry... it's no way to live |
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01/01/2005 08:12:29 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by deapee:
...The police showed up a second later, asked for my ID and all the while interrogated me as to why I was there. They don't understand what personal enjoyment is...and kept bringing up 9/11. They said my actions were 'very suspicious'...
They wouldn't give me my ID back and basically detained me for about 45 minutes all the while asking me personal stuff like where I worked, if I was a Private Investigator, and over and over again why I was taking picture of a construction site.
...My answers were the same the whole time although they didn't believe me -- personal enjoyment...
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Good example of the paranoia I was talking about in the Really stupid question... thread. |
Oh, and such paranoia doesn't exist anywhere else? I'm sure that if I wanted to I could go to Canada, or France, or some other country, make sure to show that I am from the US (perhaps by wearing my Chicago Bulls jacket or Chicago Bears t-shirt), and without breaking any laws or bothering any other people, go around actively taking pictures of construction sites, bridges, government buildings, railroads, etc. without ever actually trespassing on private property and attract intervention from the local police or other authorities. I would certainly hope in such a case that the authority person I was dealing with would not be one of the all-too-many citizens of other countries who stereotype all US citizens as 'greedy, arrogant, ignorant', etc.
It goes without saying that in the majority of foreign countries (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China, Egypt, Israel, etc.) I wouldn't dare attempt to take photographs on my own at all.
Message edited by author 2005-01-01 20:13:17. |
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01/01/2005 08:16:09 PM · #96 |
I was out shooting for the candid challenge today, weather was warm and there were lots of people out because of the holiday. There was a security guard watching me for about 10-15 minutes, close enough to see what I was doing but not close enough to speak to me. A woman with her daughter, who I had taken a few shots of, went over and talked to him. He looked at me and nodded a couple of times. The woman left and the guard said something over his radio and then slowly walked toward me. I remembered this thread and thought my goose was cooked. The guy asked what kind of camera I was using, then told me he had a Rebel. Then he directed me to another vantage point where the light was better for the shots I was trying to shoot. What a relief. I wished him a very Happy New Year.
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01/01/2005 08:32:34 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
...It goes without saying that in the majority of foreign countries (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China, Egypt, Israel, etc.) I wouldn't dare attempt to take photographs on my own at all. |
Have you ever been to those countries or do you base that feeling on what the american medias report. Truth is, everyday, thousands of people (from all around the world) do take pictures in those countries and make it without a scratch. But the news don't talk about them... That does not sell, that does not worry, that doesn't keep you glued to your TV screen waiting to see just how bad those countrys are and thereby sell you all kind of junk advertised during those reports.
That formula also works in Canada. The differance, in Canada, is that they don't use fear to keep the economy running...
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01/01/2005 08:41:27 PM · #98 |
OK guys...it's quite clear, the rest of the world dislikes America. That's perfectly fine. Take your posts about how America uses fear to keep our economy running elsewhere, preferably another site because quite frankly I'm tired of people calling my country names and belittling my country as a whole. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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01/01/2005 09:17:07 PM · #99 |
| I think it inaccurate to say "the world dislikes America." It may be more accurate to say the world dislikes the American government for their current policies, as well as, their recent historical policies around the world. That's different than saying that the people of said countries dislike other people of a certain country. |
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01/01/2005 09:27:59 PM · #100 |
What would be the better policy? Appease the terrorists? Chamberlain tried that in 1939, it doesn't work.
I will agree that Iraq was a poor choice of places to deploy resources, but US troops in the middle east is something that the islamic terrorists better get used to. The ability to have american armor and troops in almost any middle eastern city in a week or less is a nice feeling. After 9/11 there is no going back |
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