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 12/31/2004 01:18:43 PM · #51


I would do something like this if I had no other affiliation...
 12/31/2004 01:19:49 PM · #52
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:




When you get nervous, do you sniff your fingers? :P


Lol....

I just stuck a photo that I already had on this badge. I needed the ID that evening and didn't have time to setup and shoot another 'plain' type photo to use on it..
 12/31/2004 01:21:57 PM · #53
Originally posted by jmsetzler:


I would do something like this if I had no other affiliation...


What if someone says "What assignment?"

...or does it matter?

Message edited by author 2004-12-31 13:22:09.
 12/31/2004 01:39:41 PM · #54
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

What if someone says "What assignment?"
...or does it matter?


[disclaimer]This deserves a serious reply--my reply may not be intended as serious.[/disclaimer]

Possible replies:
I'm shooting candids for a photo club I belong too.
My assignment is to represent New Year's resolutions.
I've been asked to represent the essence of the color yellow.

My point is, I think, that we often do have something in mind when we go out to shoot--even if it's the most recent challenge topic. AND we do belong to a photo club. Remember, sometimes the truth is stranger than reality and most people don't want to go anywhere near the truth.

(I've watched many a face glaze over after I begin to tell them about this great web site and how every week there is a photo challenge on a different topic and how it's just for digital photographers and how I found this place about a year ago while looking for tutorials on how to use my camera and do post-processing and, and, and.....perhaps you get the idea. Just keep talking, wildly enthusiastically about how important what you are doing is to you and as long as they don't call the guys with the white jackets you're home free while everyone keeps their distance and tries to stay out of your photo.)
 12/31/2004 01:43:08 PM · #55
I understand what you're saying...combining the words "freelance", "photographer" and "assignment" should be more than enough to impress somebody with the idea that I belong there!

Just don't mention anything about a little blue ribbon or you'll ruin the whole thing!


12/31/2004 01:45:38 PM · #56
Sorry about your experience deepea. FWIW, I agree with micknewton and jmsetzler. You might consider writing an editorial for the local paper or bringing it up in a town meeting (with a brief explanation of your rights). Calling attention to the matter locally, without getting yourself into more trouble, may prevent problems in the future.
 12/31/2004 01:57:08 PM · #57
for those of you glad to live in canada, as i do:
recently I was taking christmas decor in a mall (hoping for some stock images) and I was asked not to for security reasons, annoyed and shocked I continued to ask around the mall about taking shots, same answer-- not allowed for security reasons!
12/31/2004 01:58:18 PM · #58
//photopermit.org/
 12/31/2004 02:00:53 PM · #59
Great idea John. Will definitely get me all the credibility I need to be left alone:




12/31/2004 02:03:02 PM · #60

12/31/2004 02:04:19 PM · #61
Originally posted by laurielblack:


ditto.
 12/31/2004 02:06:20 PM · #62
heeheehaaaaa!!!!

That would definitely give you some credibility!!
 12/31/2004 02:10:48 PM · #63
Funny, Jacko!

But couldn't you just whip out your banker ID and tell them you're the one that oversees verification of identification on all the ATM's?
 12/31/2004 02:25:29 PM · #64
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Check out this article/story and the following discussion from Photo.Net which includes this post by Bert Kraggs:

"Bert Krages , sep 13, 2003; 03:09 p.m.
The Patriot Act expanded the powers of the government to seize materials (e.g., library and bookstore records) and detain persons suspected of terrorism and clandestine intelligence pursuant to a warrant but did not expand the power of law enforcement personnel to stop, question, or arrest people in the absence of a warrant. Police and security officers do not have the right to detain persons against their wills or to seize their property if they do not have probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed."


But they DO have the right to detain you long enough to make sure a crime has NOT been commited. The police can detain you for a resonable period of time to gather information. How long was your last traffic stop? 45 minutes is NOT that long of a time to be talking to the local officers.

I'm not trying to play down the seriousness of this issue, but I do believe that we as photographers have a responsibility to ourselves, our hobby (lifestyle for some of us) and our fellow photographers however to be prepared for these instances! Carry around the photographers rights document that someone else posted a link to! Be prepared to explain why you wanted to take a photo of something! (I couldn't help but notice the leading lines in that structure being built and felt compelled to capture it! -or- Look at the simple color scheme of the construction materials and freshly dug dirt contrasted with the bright yellow of the construction equipement and mens hats!) Being too defensive may not be the best way to go, but be prepared to defend your rights!
 12/31/2004 02:38:07 PM · #65
It's also the responsibility of the photographer to make sure that law enforcement people don't abuse the patriot act. That particular 'act' has far reaching ramifications when you look at it in detail.
12/31/2004 02:48:56 PM · #66
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
It's also the responsibility of the photographer to make sure that law enforcement people don't abuse the patriot act. That particular 'act' has far reaching ramifications when you look at it in detail.


But if we are prepared for the potential interaction, it may never get that far. I don't think that there are really that many officers going around thinking, how can I take advantage of the patriot act and abuse a photographer today...
 12/31/2004 02:54:32 PM · #67
just DONT photograph children not youy own in any candid situation, an English amateur did just thi taking innocent shots of children in a fountain,` The Old bill arrested him on suspision of child pornography and paedophilia, took 48 hours for him to sort it out. Times have changed over the last few years and saddly this world aint the same.

Message edited by author 2004-12-31 14:56:57.
 12/31/2004 05:27:02 PM · #68


Malls and the like are private property, at least down
here in NZ. soyou run thec risk of being tresspassed amongst other things.

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Originally posted by ellamay:
for those of you glad to live in canada, as i do:
recently I was taking christmas decor in a mall (hoping for some stock images) and I was asked not to for security reasons, annoyed and shocked I continued to ask around the mall about taking shots, same answer-- not allowed for security reasons!
12/31/2004 05:33:30 PM · #69
Originally posted by kiwinick:
just DONT photograph children not youy own in any candid situation, an English amateur did just thi taking innocent shots of children in a fountain,` The Old bill arrested him on suspision of child pornography and paedophilia, took 48 hours for him to sort it out. Times have changed over the last few years and saddly this world aint the same.


I have never had any problems photographing kids. I do it frequently at ball games. If I intend to use the photos for anything, I do find their parents and get the child's name.
12/31/2004 05:45:53 PM · #70
probably depends on their age and location too. a guy with a big camera taking pictures of two four year old kids on a see-saw, neither of which know him, is certainly more suspicious than this same guy at a baseball game for six to seven year olds (he could be a parent, of course!).. and people tend to understand taking sports pictures more than they would just 'cute' pictures of their kids. and, both of these guys are certainly more "suspicious" in the parent's eye than the guy who is at a state basketball tournament snapping tons of pictures of all the 16-18 year olds.
 12/31/2004 05:47:10 PM · #71
Photographers are more afraid of people than the other way around... it's a fact :)
 12/31/2004 06:05:24 PM · #72
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Corwyn:
Originally posted by Morgan:
Originally posted by Jacko:
What he said

Originally posted by doctornick:
Glad I live in Canada...


DITTO


Did we mention Canada Rules!!


Another smiling canuck here...I sympathize with you. It must be frustrating for you guys...


I also live in Canada and can take my camera anywhere without hassle. I have some great shots of the CN tower our city hall and other landmarks. One of my challenge entry was shot in the gaedens in front of our city hall taking over an hour not one stopped me or asked me any questions.
 12/31/2004 06:48:26 PM · #73
Originally posted by magicshutter:


b) I thought a construction site fell under the 'private property' type scenario. While I disagree at how they handled the situation, you should always ask permission before photographing anything that isn't yours or mother nature's.



You should of course not trespass on private property in order to photograph same, but there is nothing wrong with taking pictures of private property from public property. For example, the sidewalk at the corner of Wacker Drive and Michigan Ave. in downtown Chicago is public property. I am not going to seek, nor am I required to seek, permission from the owners of the Wrigley Building (private property), Tribune Tower (private property), the London Guarantee Building, etc. in order to photograph them while standing on the above-mentioned public sidewalk.
 12/31/2004 07:29:48 PM · #74
Originally posted by Jacko:
Great idea John. Will definitely get me all the credibility I need to be left alone:



This is sure to get you all the credibility you deserve. ;-)

-Terry
 12/31/2004 07:31:35 PM · #75
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The ID badge is a great idea... I'll see if I can post mine here in a few minutes....



This is a homemade press ID badge. When I started working for the newspaper, I went with the head photographer to the police department to have an official ID badge made. The person who makes the badges was not available that day, so the head photographer scanned his badge for me and told me to duplicate it as best I could with photoshop. My duplication is almost exact with one thing missing. These press ID badges are normally signed by the chief of police and I don't have that signature on mine. I did laminate it in a luggage tag lamination and I wear it on a lanyard around my neck when I'm shooting for the paper. With this ID, I have never been given any trouble by anyone for any reason.


I just realized Setzler looks like another friend of mine. Do you by chance have a tattoo on the back of your head of the Joker with his tongue out and the word Disturbed?
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