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01/30/2024 09:55:29 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by roz:
Originally posted by Neat:
Well I don’t know about all you guys out there, but I’ll be looking for photos that don’t have very low votes on themâ€Â¦ unless by then the culprit changes their votes!
I still have a very long way to go to reach the score I had before the devourer ripped through, or maybe devourers. |
the voting is particularly harsh in the ex fs ..
my score dropped a heap a few hours ago .. then recently I'm pretty sure I got a vote of 1 ..
there are all sorts of ways to have challenges in photography sites ..
some have judges who are going to have their own likes and dislikes ..
and other places where ppl from outside vote ..
now in dpc with so few ppl left everyone's vote makes a difference.. especially the high and low votes..
not like in the past when there were heaps more ppl voting ... where a very low vote wasn't going to have a huge impact on your overall score like it does now ..
for some ppl there would be a conflict of interest to vote in a challenge you are entered in ..
for some they would vote the same no matter if they were in the challenge or not ..
but with so few left .. the voting system doesn't seem to be working ..
that could be why so many have left ..
just my opinion .. xx
edit to say .. OMG Anita .. just saw you got a 1 as well .. could be someone rocking the boat .. !! .. |
It could be interesting twist to have one challenge a month decided by a few DPC members, selected by SC, who have no entry in the challenge. |
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01/30/2024 10:12:05 AM · #27 |
Okay, we're getting a little off topic here.
While I will never quite understand a one on any of my images, it's just because I consider a one as the worse possible image. And because of that, I think I've only given out a couple of ones in my lifetime of voting.
But other people vote differently. Some people feel they have to use the entire range. Some people vote on originality, and I freely admit my photos are not original. Because I'm going for wildlife and looking for their stories. But it's all been seen before. I just really like the moments.
So I don't believe the voting is broken here. Do I think that every once in a while we get somebody who's trying to skew the votes? Yes. Do I think that happens frequently? No.
I am not going to be upset by one or two people voting my image to lower than I had hoped. It's unfortunate that we're not growing our base, because it does affect the score more. But people have different opinions and that's not only allowed. It's encouraged.
I only started this thread because It looked like somebody was just messing around with people's votes. It was somebody giving a 10 and dropping it down to a two or giving a nine and dropping it down to a 1. It wasn't just somebody giving a low vote. It was changing the vote in the extreme. Probably just to play around with people. Because logically, even if somebody starts out giving tens and ones and then going back and modifying, usually they don't go to the other extreme.
In the past we would have the vote, check in thread, so we would get an idea that this was going on and we would feel better because it was happening across the board.
The voting is not broken here. And I have learned so much and grown so much that I am not going to let one or two outlying votes, or someone who might recognize my work and vote me down because of it, scare me away from a place that has helped my photography so much.
Our best response is to make sure that we go and vote. Voting is still one of the best ways of learning. It helps you realize what you like, what you don't like, what you think could have been done better. Etc. It's so much easier to find that out on somebody else's work than on your own.
Have you voted yet?
Message edited by author 2024-01-30 10:12:44. |
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01/30/2024 12:37:53 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
I got a 1 too so someone seems to be dishing out a lot of them. |
I didn't get a 1, but I got a 2. |
ETA: As SC is riding my ass over this comment - accusing me of fabricating stats and stirring the pot - so I had better add that I did indeed get a 2.
In Museums. Which is likely why I finished up in 16th place.
So far as I could tell, the low votes are being scattered freely in all challenges; the fact that I do NOT have a current entry is basically beside the point.
All the more reason to download all my images from here, ASAP, and call it a day. |
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01/30/2024 12:49:12 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
I got a 1 too so someone seems to be dishing out a lot of them. |
I didn't get a 1, but I got a 2. |
ETA: As SC is riding my ass over this comment - accusing me of fabricating stats and stirring the pot - so I had better add that I did indeed get a 2.
In Museums. Which is likely why I finished up in 16th place.
So far as I could tell, the low votes are being scattered freely in all challenges; the fact that I do NOT have a current entry is basically beside the point.
All the more reason to download all my images from here, ASAP, and call it a day. |
Hi Susan. You didn't post in this thread until AFTER the Museums challenge was over and on the front page. You made it sound like your 2 vote was in relation to the same challenge(s) being discussed in this thread. It wasn't.
FYI. Did the math ... take away the 2 on your Museumm entry and you would have placed 11th (providing everything else remained the same).
I think Wendy's last post is pretty spot on about voting history and the manner in which to handle them. Take a deep breath Susan and give that post another read. |
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01/30/2024 01:00:29 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
It's unfortunate that we're not growing our base, because it does affect the score more. But people have different opinions and that's not only allowed. It's encouraged.
I only started this thread because It looked like somebody was just messing around with people's votes. It was somebody giving a 10 and dropping it down to a two or giving a nine and dropping it down to a 1. It wasn't just somebody giving a low vote. |
1. It's hard to grow the base when the long-time members keep complaining about how messed-up the site is.
2. I know we used to have "defect" in that if you tried to vote a "10" using the keypad it would be recorded as a "1" -- it's possible (thought not necessarily likely) that someone could have given an initial "9" and later tried to uppgrade that to a "10" but recorded a "1" instead.
And if it IS someone "messing with us" by screwing around with the votes, if you all up and quit then the "troll" wins ... :-(
Message edited by author 2024-01-30 13:00:58. |
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01/30/2024 01:44:28 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
I got a 1 too so someone seems to be dishing out a lot of them. |
I didn't get a 1, but I got a 2. |
ETA: As SC is riding my ass over this comment - accusing me of fabricating stats and stirring the pot - so I had better add that I did indeed get a 2.
In Museums. Which is likely why I finished up in 16th place.
So far as I could tell, the low votes are being scattered freely in all challenges; the fact that I do NOT have a current entry is basically beside the point.
All the more reason to download all my images from here, ASAP, and call it a day. |
Hi Susan. You didn't post in this thread until AFTER the Museums challenge was over and on the front page. You made it sound like your 2 vote was in relation to the same challenge(s) being discussed in this thread. It wasn't.
FYI. Did the math ... take away the 2 on your Museumm entry and you would have placed 11th (providing everything else remained the same).
I think Wendy's last post is pretty spot on about voting history and the manner in which to handle them. Take a deep breath Susan and give that post another read. |
Well I didn't realize when I posted that the thread was in relation to the new batch of challenges, and as you can see I had indeed got clouted by an undeserved 2 in Museums.
But if this is how SC rolls nowadays - barking at people for a perfectly legit gripe on an unfair score on a challenge that had just finished - really?!
That's OK, DPC has never cared for my style.
Message edited by author 2024-01-30 13:46:22. |
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01/30/2024 02:30:18 PM · #32 |
In the last hour, I lost 10 points from the product of the # of votes times the score in one of my three entries currently in voting, 9 in another, and gained 9 in the third, with no change in the number of votes in any of them. Wow, have never seen anything like that! What's happening? Some prankster is really playing games here, it seems.
Message edited by author 2024-01-30 14:35:45. |
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01/30/2024 02:39:59 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Okay, we're getting a little off topic here.. . .
The voting is not broken here. And I have learned so much and grown so much that I am not going to let one or two outlying votes, or someone who might recognize my work and vote me down because of it, scare me away from a place that has helped my photography so much.
Our best response is to make sure that we go and vote. Voting is still one of the best ways of learning. It helps you realize what you like, what you don't like, what you think could have been done better. Etc. It's so much easier to find that out on somebody else's work than on your own.
Have you voted yet? |
++ - and to everything left out in the ellipsis |
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01/30/2024 02:59:17 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by LevT:
In the last hour, I lost 10 points from the product of the # of votes times the score in one of my three entries currently in voting, 9 in another, and gained 9 in the third, with no change in the number of votes in any of them. Wow, have never seen anything like that! What's happening? Some prankster is really playing games here, it seems. |
Yup. Gained .6 in one challenge, dropped .7 in another. |
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01/30/2024 04:48:34 PM · #35 |
Similar thing here. One entry gained .3 while the other dropped by .7.
I'm quite alarmed by the entry that went from 5.8 a few hours ago to 4.8462 for the addition of 3 votes, dropping from 5.5385 with no extra votes. |
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01/31/2024 12:26:02 AM · #36 |
ATTENTION...
Mia Culpa:
I popped onto DPC (been awhile) last night and saw this thread. Shaking my head at the score-watchers and just thought I'd mess with them (you) a little more. So I voted 1s and 10s on the 3 challenges in voting and then swapped them to 10s and 1s earlier today, all the while watching this thread and chuckling to myself at the pain and suffering I was causing (I'm sick like that sometimes). I knew Bear could easily figure out it was me and it didn't take him long to send me a PM. I was already about to revote on the three challenges (which I did). So... mystery solved. Mostly - to be clear, this thread was already close to two days old when I found it and just piled on - the original voting anomalies that prompted this thread are still a mystery afaik.
What would this place be without the drama? (that used to be a lot more frequent and serious, btw.)
Bear said it wasn't one of my best ideas, but in my defense, it wasn't an "idea" - it was a kneejerk impulse I had when I started reading that thread. And yes, my impulses aren't always thought through. ;-)
Happy New Year everyone. Stop staring at the score and riding that emotional roller coaster that you have no control of. :)
Cheers. |
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01/31/2024 12:30:49 AM · #37 |
| Why am I not surprised? Maybe not your best idea, but it was still a worthwhile practical joke. |
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01/31/2024 07:23:59 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Shaking my head at the score-watchers and just thought I'd mess with them (you) a little more. So I voted 1s and 10s on the 3 challenges in voting and then swapped them to 10s and 1s earlier today, all the while watching this thread and chuckling to myself at the pain and suffering I was causing (I'm sick like that sometimes). |
Gee.....
Why would people get disgusted with the infantile and just plain mean antics they see on this site and leave???
No wonder the site's tanking. What a completely jerk move.
And ZERO evidence of remorse.
Screwing with people 'cause they're frustrated about scoring anomalies??? REALLY???
This is the first time in the 18 years I've been here that I truly felt like leaving....but I'll wait to see how the administration deals with this.
I know I'm not going to waste my time looking at the rules and the penalties for violating them.....
One shouldn't have to check to see if this is a violation, it should just be in place that intentionally upsetting people by vote manipulation is a serious offense.
I can't even believe this.
What a completely jerk move!!!!
I have an image in voting right now that is off the charts in scoring.
But I shouldn't attach any significance to that, right?
Just freakin' wow.....
SC??
Oh.....and SC? If you pull my post, then delete my account and send me the unused protion of my membership.
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01/31/2024 08:26:19 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
ATTENTION...
Mia Culpa:
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well I thought it was funny |
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01/31/2024 08:59:37 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
ATTENTION...
Mia Culpa:
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well I thought it was funny |
where's that like button? |
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01/31/2024 09:35:59 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
SC??
Oh.....and SC? If you pull my post, then delete my account and send me the unused portion of my membership. |
No need for that, Jeb. We're on it. We don't take this lightly, but we also don't act precipitously (which I'm sure you appreciate).
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BTW, regarding Art's Mea Culpa, it wasn't Bear that "found him out", it was SC collectively. We do our best to keep an eye on stuff, OK? |
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01/31/2024 10:48:37 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Some voters really play here rough with their marks and probably have great fun about our rant! |
It certainly looked to me from the beginning like a joke |
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01/31/2024 11:50:53 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
1. It's hard to grow the base when the long-time members keep complaining about how messed-up the site is. |
Okay.....and how are we wrong to be upset about this?
I think you'll find that you mostly hear negative things from us when fairly ugly stuff happens....you know, like getting official e-mails that bear all the earmarks of SPAM.
Or this incident which turned out to be doubly screwed up since someone intentionally added to the strife that was already going on.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And if it IS someone "messing with us" by screwing around with the votes, if you all up and quit then the "troll" wins ... :-( |
It's not a contest to be won or lost.
It's about decency and not having malicious activity running amok.
These somewhat cavalier answers and lack of any kind of assurances that y'all (SC & Admins) are showing surely don't inspire interest or confidence, so blaming reactions from people who are getting tired of it and complaining isn't generating any newcomers, either.
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01/31/2024 12:09:55 PM · #44 |
Jeb - Why repost snippets that were written 24 hours ago when numerous posts have been made since that address / recognize what happened.
Feels a bit like piling on ... |
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01/31/2024 12:14:23 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
1. It's hard to grow the base when the long-time members keep complaining about how messed-up the site is. |
Okay.....and how are we wrong to be upset about this? |
I didn't say it was wrong to be upset, only that I found some of the reactions to be somewhat precipitous and more extreme than necessary.
If it was clear that "something" was going on, I didn't think it was too much to ask for some patience in investigating and dealing with it, before seemingly assuming there was bad will on the part of some voter(s) and indifference on the part of the SC. |
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01/31/2024 01:46:58 PM · #46 |
| so who is Mia? and why is Art blaming her? did I miss something? |
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01/31/2024 02:08:32 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Okay.....and how are we wrong to be upset about this? |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't say it was wrong to be upset, only that I found some of the reactions to be somewhat precipitous and more extreme than necessary. |
Gee.....what a shame that some people's reactions are reflections on how they feel about some pretty ugly stuff.
There was a problem BEFORE a long time member engaged in intentional voting manipulation to upset people......and then posted that he did so.
Perhaps you could give us guidelines on exactly how pissed off we're allowed to be.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If it was clear that "something" was going on, I didn't think it was too much to ask for some patience in investigating and dealing with it, before seemingly assuming there was bad will on the part of some voter(s) and indifference on the part of the SC. |
ASSUMING BAD WILL????
You have got to be kidding!
Originally posted by ArtRoflmao:
So I voted 1s and 10s on the 3 challenges in voting and then swapped them to 10s and 1s earlier today, all the while watching this thread and chuckling to myself at the pain and suffering I was causing (I'm sick like that sometimes). |
Sure looks to me like this person not only pulled this stunt with genuine intent to be a jerk, but claimed it as well.
His plan worked.....it upset people. You WILL lose more people from this kind of garbage.
Please explain how my take was an assumption with the admission. I didn't assume indifference, either, but since y'all wanna deflect and project, to me, it doesn't seem like much is being done.
but I also don't claim to know your level of concern, nor do I make it a habit to extrapolate on people's state of mind.
A good measure would be to suspend the openly admitted troublemaker on the spot, especially since he posted what he did, and further decide his fate while assuring the entire rest of the membership that they won't be subjected to this wholly unacceptable behavior.
Arguing that people's responses may be extreme and/][=or that assumptions are being made is not the way to handle this.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Jeb - Why repost snippets that were written 24 hours ago when numerous posts have been made since that address / recognize what happened.
Feels a bit like piling on |
Recognize, yeah, I see that, but addressing it? Not that I'm privy to the operation of internal administrative duties, but nobody has said anything that I've seen to address this.
If you want to counter replies or try and rationalize any of it, you go right ahead.
But you haven't brought any kind of assurances or said anything that indicates y'all are on it, either.
I won't continue, but despite my speaking in a way that some who like to maintain a more civilized manner won't, I'd recommend that you truly look hard at my points from the stance of the impression it makes to us out here.
I'm done now.... I'll wait and see what happens and plan my future photography ventures accordingly.
Not that I believe for a second that you'd miss this thorn in your side if it disappeared
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01/31/2024 02:14:35 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If you want to counter replies or try and rationalize any of it, you go right ahead. |
Thanks, but no thanks. There's no point. |
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01/31/2024 02:22:31 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Okay.....and how are we wrong to be upset about this? |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't say it was wrong to be upset, only that I found some of the reactions to be somewhat precipitous and more extreme than necessary. |
Gee.....what a shame that some people's reactions are reflections on how they feel about some pretty ugly stuff. |
So it's OK for you to discount MY feelings, eh?
I just don't think that hyperbolic language helps in situations like this. |
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01/31/2024 02:38:50 PM · #50 |
i found Ken's actions to be a wonderful opportunity for growth and also a learning experience ..
when we react to something .. something that's often out of our control .. we learn a lot about ourselves ..
what motivates us .. what are our triggers .. and what is important ..
with that knowledge we can grow in awareness .. and also respond to the outside world in ways that dont upset or aggravate us as much ..
in my experience looking within when things like this happen can be extremely revealing ..
its not usually what is going on outside .. but inside .. that can totally change how we view the circumstances that affect us in this world ..
a wonderful quote i find very helpful in life is this one .. 'its not happening to us .. its happening for us' ..
and just to say .. i'm not coming from any place other than someone who is on a journey of discovery .. and always learning ..
just my 2 cents worth .. :) |
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