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11/15/2004 04:14:21 PM · #1 |
| I would like to see a challenge that does not allow any set up. It's all about angle/DOF/color/subject, etc. There are so many good photographers in DPC that obviously put a lot of time into arrangement. I would like to see what they can do with a subject as is. |
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11/15/2004 04:21:22 PM · #2 |
There's many things you can't be sure if they were set up or not. I like the idea, though.
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11/15/2004 04:23:12 PM · #3 |
I'll never understand the ideas behind restricting creativity.
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11/15/2004 04:41:00 PM · #4 |
| Creativity often flourishes best under strict boundaries. |
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11/15/2004 04:42:53 PM · #5 |
It would be very hard to validate anything and where exactly would you draw the line? If I move some brush or a branch out of the way so I can get that great view of the mountain would that be considered playing with the arrangement of elements in the photo? I'm usually against challenges where I have to take photos that are less then what they could be. It's because my time and memory space is limited and when I see a rare photo opportunity I want to be able to do whatever I can within reason to get the best shot possible. It might seem that I am making more of this then I should but some shots really are fleeting especially when you are relying on good natural light and the last thing I want to be considering is what is for DPChallenge and what is for me. I prefer them to be the same so I can just focus on the shot and not duplicating it for different uses. I have a hard enough time restricting my use of dodge and burn for the basic editing challenges so I certainly would not want to do something similar out in the field. A little long winded I know, but you did ask :)
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11/15/2004 04:47:52 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by uctopuk:
There are so many good photographers in DPC that obviously put a lot of time into arrangement. |
Yes, but they do so with the intention of it looking not " set up " which is the reason they are so good at it.
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11/15/2004 04:48:16 PM · #7 |
I think if everyone here, including myself, was already making great photos all the time, introducing simple restrictions beyond what we already have would be fine. I may be different than most, but I would rather see a great photo, regardless of what the photographer had to do to get it.
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11/15/2004 04:55:23 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Creativity often flourishes best under strict boundaries. |
Never a truer word said. |
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11/15/2004 05:09:03 PM · #9 |
Allow me to clarify... By "set up" I meant something more along the lines of decoratively arranging the utensils around a wine glass with three grapes seemingly rolling across the table. Or posing wooden figures on a black background.
Items could be manipulated (i.e. repositioned) for the photo, just not taken out of their "natural" environment. In other words, they can't be artificially brought into the studio.
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11/15/2004 05:23:38 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'll never understand the ideas behind restricting creativity. |
Restrictions on creativity, as you put it, help to separate the men from the boys, or the artists from the amateurs, as it may be. A good design, or piece of art, is often defined by it's restrictions. The most thoughtful designs work within the framework that is required.
Sorry about the tirade, but this is one of my hot buttons. Nothing sets me off more than that show 'Trading Spaces' where the so-so designers complain that the home owner wants to leave just one thing in the room alone, and that goes against the designer's plan, so they flip. I was trained as an engineer, and so that is where my basis for this opinion originates. In engineering, the best designs work because they adhere to the constraints, and those designs that don't adhere don't work. If I ask you to build a plane, and have the restrictions that it must fly, it must hold 200 people, it must not break apart, and it must be cheap and light-wieght, and you return with a design that fits those restrictions, then by golly you've got one hell of a good design.
Anyway, bobsterlobster said all of this in one sentence...so there yah go.
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11/15/2004 05:34:55 PM · #11 |
Very well said. I learned a lot doing my Impressionism shot by limiting myself to not using photoshop filters.
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Creativity often flourishes best under strict boundaries. |
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11/15/2004 06:02:20 PM · #12 |
Some very good points mentioned. Restrictions are good and even neccessary for learning and that is exactly why I am here. I am already restricted by the themes and that is pretty sufficient. Creativity is a bit of a funny thing on this site. There are a lot of us that use this site for a lot of experimentation and creativity but, at the same time, many of the most creative shots don't fare too well. It seems that the majority of voters enjoy the various themes but prefer seing them executed in very traditional ways. It's neither bad or good it's just the way it is. Creativity is also very subjective. Moving elements around to set up things just right, even in a natural setting, can be considered just as creative as working with only what you have. I just can't see how the idea of setting things up to make the shot right has anything to do with whether you are being creative or not. It just seems like an unneccesary and hard-to-monitor restriction. But with all this said if there was a challenge like this I would probably still happily try to participate.
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11/15/2004 06:04:15 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
Very well said. I learned a lot doing my Impressionism shot by limiting myself to not using photoshop filters. |
I wish I had been smart enough to do the same.
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