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11/11/2004 02:04:28 PM · #26 |
I don't think even Gordon would argue that there is a disproportionate amount of political threads, though.
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11/11/2004 02:04:48 PM · #27 |
I think it would help if we clarify the issue.
Oppopsed
It's annoying to see the threads on the front page.
Politics have no place on a photography site.
Un-opposed
People enjoy talking to the other people here about politics.
What would make the people opposed happy? To completely ban political discussion from DPC? Is this realistic? If not, what more of a compromise?
I for one would support a Political Stuff section set up like Rant if that would make the people opposed happy. |
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11/11/2004 02:05:43 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
put it another way. DPC is a community. It happens to be mainly focused on photography. We also, as a community, happen to discuss stuff. Some folk talk about politics, other folk bicker about sensor minuta and technical junk. Other's post moronic jokes that I saw for the first time 15 years ago. That's kinda what real or virtual communities are. They talk about life, with all the knobs and wrinkles that has.
I go to a photography club once a month. We all hang out, talk about stuff, life, love, politics, religion, photography - all the things that make us who we are and bring us together. There is a shared common interest and a lot of divergent areas. If we just talked about photography we'd have a whole lot less community, less mutual understanding or respect. I think any and all of the off topic discussions make this place what it is, rather than somewhere like dpreview.
There aren't many photography communities on line as strong as dpc. Because we are larger than just one thing. Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it. |
Okay, the main issue that this thread is really about is keeping the political threads to a minimum because it is getting overwhelming. Not to stop them (even though I and others would prefer not to see it at all), but to make sure they don't get out of control.
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11/11/2004 02:06:45 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
I don't think even Gordon would argue that there is a disproportionate amount of political threads, though. |
I've said a couple of times (I think I started asking about 7 months ago) for a managed political forum, that could be hidden, like rant.
I'm all for giving people options. Which include discussing the things that matter to you, on a community site that you care about, with people who's opinions matter or at least interest you.
Even if that is the hamster dance or videos of badgers.
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11/11/2004 02:37:22 PM · #30 |
| How about making the Rant forum a "political forum" since that what it pretty much is anyway, and making a new forum called "Off-Topic" for everything else that is not related to photography. |
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11/11/2004 05:19:47 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by kevinf:
What would make the people opposed happy? To completely ban political discussion from DPC? Is this realistic? If not, what more of a compromise?
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I'd be perfectly happy if political threads were simply posted in the rants vs. photography specific threads. I get my non-photography interaction elsewhere, so I've chosen to disable rant threads. For those who like to talk about everything under the sun on a photography site, leave rant filters unchecked. It's just a question of those people who post new threads trying to keep them in the rant area. Perhaps changing rant to "non photography discussion" would facilitate this median?
I'm all for choice, and can see both sides, but by politics spilling out of rants I'm not being allowed to choose.
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11/11/2004 05:34:08 PM · #32 |
I would love to know why any SC would vote against splitting politics rants from non-political rants?
It wouldn't make any difference to them. It would allow those of us who would like to see non-political rants to set our preferences to hide only the political ones. It would likely stop a lot of the threads to SC complaining about political threads.
On the other hand I can't see a disadvantage to the idea to anyone other than Drew and Langdon who'd be the ones who'd need to code the change. If they voted no, I'd understand but not the SC.
Why not have a poll on this as it's clearly an issue that IS coming up again and again? That way SC can actually take statistically significant user opinions into mind.
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11/11/2004 06:04:31 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
I would love to know why any SC would vote against splitting politics rants from non-political rants?
It wouldn't make any difference to them. It would allow those of us who would like to see non-political rants to set our preferences to hide only the political ones. It would likely stop a lot of the threads to SC complaining about political threads.
On the other hand I can't see a disadvantage to the idea to anyone other than Drew and Langdon who'd be the ones who'd need to code the change. If they voted no, I'd understand but not the SC. |
I believe the last time it came up for discussion this was, in fact, the case. I believe the SC (at least a majority) are willing to have a separate category, but (as you've noticed) Drew and Langdon have no time right now to code non-essential DPC site changes. |
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11/11/2004 06:07:22 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Kavey:
On the other hand I can't see a disadvantage to the idea to anyone other than Drew and Langdon who'd be the ones who'd need to code the change. If they voted no, I'd understand but not the SC. |
I believe the last time it came up for discussion this was, in fact, the case. I believe the SC (at least a majority) are willing to have a separate category, but (as you've noticed) Drew and Langdon have no time right now to code non-essential DPC site changes. |
Thanks GeneralE. Knowing that the idea gets a NO from D&L down to time issues makes a lot more sense than SC voting No on the idea itself.
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11/11/2004 06:23:04 PM · #35 |
Again, the original question has been ignored by SC. That's been happening a lot around here today.
SC announced a few weeks ago that they would like the political threads to be contained. And that they would be enforcing it, and moderating the rant forum.
The political threads are not contained, and SC seems to be looking the other way and/or joining in. Anyone going to do anything about it?
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11/11/2004 06:26:00 PM · #36 |
| No one ever said that every single political post was going to be mashed into one thread. We've been trying to combine the threads that have similar topics, but they aren't being graded on something as broad as "politics." |
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11/11/2004 07:11:17 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
Again, the original question has been ignored by SC. That's been happening a lot around here today.
SC announced a few weeks ago that they would like the political threads to be contained. And that they would be enforcing it, and moderating the rant forum.
The political threads are not contained, and SC seems to be looking the other way and/or joining in. Anyone going to do anything about it? |
You could of made the initial post much simple. Like: "I'm an egocentric and whoever doesn't share my interests should be compacted in one thread, people should always discuss what I like to hear."
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11/11/2004 07:24:37 PM · #38 |
Just wanted to note, StevePax who appears to be one of the major anti political thread people, has posted in 10 political threads in the last month.
If you don’t want them, maybe you shouldn’t post in them and send them back to the top?
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11/11/2004 07:27:56 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Just wanted to note, StevePax who appears to be one of the major anti political thread people, has posted in 10 political threads in the last month.
If you don’t want them, maybe you shouldn’t post in them and send them back to the top? |
If he didn't send them back to the top I expect you'd start a new one anyway just to make sure there are at least 3 on the front page ;)
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11/11/2004 10:21:36 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Even if that is the hamster dance or videos of badgers. |
could we have a special Forum Category just for videos of Badgers? |
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11/11/2004 11:30:59 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
I don't see the justification for promoting political threads on this site. If you want to talk about politics, go to a politics forum.
By posting about politics on a photography site all I see is people trying to force it on some people who it (a) isn't of interest to, and (b) isn't even relevant to.
I'd absolutely love this question answered -
HERE HERE.
You're posting a political thread on DPC... Why? |
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11/12/2004 12:48:54 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Even if that is the hamster dance or videos of badgers. |
could we have a special Forum Category just for videos of Badgers? |
If so, this is the first link for it! ;o) |
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11/12/2004 01:09:25 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Even if that is the hamster dance or videos of badgers. |
could we have a special Forum Category just for videos of Badgers? |
If so, this is the first link for it! ;o) |
LOL |
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11/12/2004 01:55:41 AM · #44 |
| There is the option to ignore along with some tools to make these threads invisible. Regardless of what one group thinks there is no sense in limiting a forum. You have the same options to open threads of your choice. Notice the menu and the variety presented. What would be gained by limiting any other thread. The one's I do not like I simply ignore and will not create a thread to make this intention known. |
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11/12/2004 07:45:33 PM · #45 |
Out of curiosity- over the last year how many threads in rant have been locked or had posts deleted for personal attacks?
How many threads in the rest of the site have been locked or deleted for personal attacks?
Explain to me again how the political threads are benifiting the site?
Clara |
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11/12/2004 07:52:31 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Explain to me again how the political threads are benifiting the site?
Clara |
They keep the political discussion and personal attacks (few as they are -- disagreement is not an attack) out of the photography-related threads.
Perhaps you can explain again how they hurt anybody? As long as they are clearly titled, no one who doesn't want to read them has to, or even see them listed.
Believe me, everything is "political." If you don't want to isolate the discussion in the Rants, but rather have those posts permeate all of the other threads, try banning political discussion. Prohibition does not work. Regulation works a little. Self-regulation works even better, but takes a lot of practice.
Also, read Gordon's excellent rationale previously posted in this thread.
Message edited by author 2004-11-12 19:53:11. |
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11/12/2004 08:03:25 PM · #47 |
| I have had the rant threads turned off for about six months now. Had planned to turn them back on after the election was over. But their absence has made my dpc experience so much more enjoyable, so much more beneficial to my photography, that I am going to leave them off. I'd suggest that the people who are bothered by the political stuff try turning them off for a while. You may be pleasantly surprised. Life goes on. |
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11/12/2004 08:11:25 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Out of curiosity- over the last year how many threads in rant have been locked or had posts deleted for personal attacks? |
How many threads in the rest of the site have been locked or deleted for personal attacks?[/quote]
I don't have a way to easily get those numbers, sorry.
Originally posted by blemt:
Explain to me again how the political threads are benifiting the site? |
The simple answer to this is that never in the history of DPC -- at least that I can think of -- have we banned any topic entirely from discussion. Site policy is to err on the side of free speech whenever possible, and banning outright discussion of politics or any other topic would fly in the face of that.
To be clear, the statement that we err on the side of free speech does not mean that we will allow the forums to become a free-for-all. We will continue to set and enforce policies that keep the forums useful and civil. For the most part, we expect that the community will be self-regulating, but when that proves not to be the case (as it has in the political threads lately), we will step in and enforce the rules as aggreesively as we need to. This includes editing and/or removing posts, issuing warnings as appropriate, and issuing suspensions if it gets to that point.
It is also important to understand that we are a community, and as a community many discussions will be about things other than photography. This is normal and healthy, provided it does not overwhelm the actual function of the site (so far, I don't think it has). Also, as Gordon noted, many topics will naturally flow into politics. It is difficult to imagine a challenge like Poverty without some level of political commentary. Certain photographs will invite political commentary, and it would be inappropriate to disallow discussion of those photographs. Where would we draw the line?
-Terry
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11/12/2004 08:22:46 PM · #49 |
Given this, I think I might start a personal weblog in the rant forum. Daily posts from me, but on different topics, of course. Would anyone else like to do this?
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11/12/2004 08:29:27 PM · #50 |
I would block the rant forum completely if it were political posts only, but sometimes the "rants" are from courteous folks who realize they are using it as a place to vent on DPC, life, whatever, and these can sometimes be informative and/or fun to read. I wish there was a way of keeping the two separate. I don't ususally care, but the political rants really have started to increase disproportionately I think. End of rant.
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