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 10/24/2021 10:06:23 PM · #51
It's a sad day when we have no use for photographs of used tupperware glowing in the sun.

10/24/2021 10:08:51 PM · #52
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Just a quick look at participation in Archival challenges...


Thank you for your graph!

I'd be interested to find out, although I don't know how we'd do it... how many people who entered an Archival challenge shot for it during the challenge vs. how many used their archives.

I usually am too lazy to search through my archives, like Roz, unless I know of a certain situation I shot and the approximate timeframe... so I shoot for it during the challenge period.

How about others?
 10/24/2021 10:58:43 PM · #53
With Archival challenges I sometimes mine my archives and sometimes shoot for them. But if a challenge is not archival then I don't have that choice.
 10/24/2021 11:42:35 PM · #54
Originally posted by tnun:
It's a sad day when we have no use for photographs of used tupperware glowing in the sun.
10/25/2021 01:03:55 AM · #55
People, this thread isn't the place to debate troublesome issues, it's a thread to discuss the future of archival challenges. If y'all want to continue to discuss vaxxers v anti-vaxxers, start your own thread, OK? Thanks :-)

Message edited by author 2021-10-25 01:33:25.
 10/25/2021 11:37:53 AM · #56
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
People, this thread isn't the place to debate troublesome issues, it's a thread to discuss the future of archival challenges. If y'all want to continue to discuss vaxxers v anti-vaxxers, start your own thread, OK? Thanks :-)


Thank you, Bear. I thought the same thing.
 10/25/2021 12:21:29 PM · #57
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
People, this thread isn't the place to debate troublesome issues, it's a thread to discuss the future of archival challenges. If y'all want to continue to discuss vaxxers v anti-vaxxers, start your own thread, OK? Thanks :-)

Yeah, no kidding.

I mentioned that in an earlier post about not tying the two together.

Why not fix the title of the thread to strictly deal with the question of continuing Archival challenges?

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 10/26/2021 12:26:24 PM · #58
So many in favor of keeping the archival challenges have expressed my feelings to a T. The archival challenges often have more amazing, competitive photography, and it such an inspiration to see that kind of photography here. I also love being able to participate again when my life has been so busy, I know I wouldn’t be able to participate regularly without it. I wish they were ALL archival! We would continually see some of the best photography in the world! I learn so much from some of the photographers here who are allowed to show their most epic photos.

I hope they will be kept - just like they are now. It offers a variety that will keep the site growing! And I agree that they should all be extended editing. I love the quote above: Why not allow people’s best work to have their day in the sun!

That’s my 2-cents
 10/26/2021 01:29:12 PM · #59
I love archival challenges. I would be happy to have two each month. I am not in favor of extended editing for archival on a regular
basis. Maybe once in a blue moon.
 10/26/2021 01:47:27 PM · #60
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by spydr:
Get rid of the Archival Challenges. That's my vote.

Originally posted by MargaretNet:
I wonder what weight to put on it? Non member and does not participate at all in challenges.

Should the votes be weighted by participation?

And less than one challenge a month entered over an 18 year span.

There's justification for just skip it 'cause it certainly isn't affecting him in the slightest.


Really? Feel free to disregard my vote. Write off anyone else who doesn't agree with you too. But, the thread was open to all participants.

I've entered 150+ challenges... But certainly my vote shouldn't count. Right? BTW, I was a member in 2020 and entered around 35 challenges after being away for over 10 years.

Perhaps I didn't renew my membership thus year because I don't like Digital "Portfolio" Challenge? Or I'm waiting for "Big Changes On The DPC Horizon"?
 10/26/2021 04:50:02 PM · #61
Not that I’m putting up much at all nowadays, but my vote is to keep archival challenges. I just need to move my archive to a more accessible computerâ€Â¦
 10/26/2021 10:21:24 PM · #62
Originally posted by Paul:
Not that I’m putting up much at all nowadays, but my vote is to keep archival challenges. I just need to move my archive to a more accessible computerâ€Â¦


What he said. Can actually get you back on track creatively when you stumble across a vision/tangent that for whatever reason you lost the thread of. Also allows for self critique.
 10/27/2021 12:14:50 AM · #63
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Just a quick look at participation in Archival challenges. I've been kind of seeing this over the months but haven't taken the time to document it. What I've been seeing is a fair number of former "regular" DPChallenge participants that are showing up and mostly entering only Archival challenges. Now some of you may see that as a positive (increased participation - get people back, etc.), and that is certainly a point to consider. I know it's come up in other discussions that Archival challenges are popular and we have greater number of entries and so on.

I question why it's so difficult for many Archival participants to enter "Regular" (you have to think about it and shoot in 2 weeks) challenges? Again, I say it's "easy" to grab an archived photo and toss it in for the heck of it.

I would LOVE for former residents of DPChallenge to show up and enter "Regular" challenges again. Why aren't they? Is it too hard? Is there not enough time in the day to go out and shoot a new image? Are the challenge themes inadequate?

Here's the stats I pulled after going thru a very small sample of Archival challenges.

This section had really good stats but i edited out for brevity...

I still advocate for DPChallenge and shoot for a theme in a set time period, and would prefer NOT to become DPArchives.

Thank you for your time.


I'm mostly a former participant -- fairly marginal over the last many years, except for a brief burst during one of the Team events. I subscribed for many years steadily, then off and on depending on my current schedule. Now, much like my golf game, photography has taken a back seat to family, work, and other pursuits (heck, I'm less than 3 hours from Yosemite and have to work hard to make a visit). Wish DPC had a better mobile interface (imo - this is number one feature needed to help drive more participation and community).

I still enjoy DPC, interact with a few of you on other social media sites, and just went backpacking with DrAchoo this month - my life (and photography) is better, thanks to DPC...It is one of 4 or 5 sites that I check in on regularly. It is fun to mine old folders and look for an image to submit to the archive challenges.

Just for fun, here is my first submission...coincides with the birth of S1 and my first digital camera.

And here is my personal fav after 292 challenges . It was just middle of the road for DPC but I learned to shoot for me, and when 'you' thought 'mine' was good, that was fun too.
 10/27/2021 06:01:00 AM · #64
Originally posted by spydr:
... Perhaps I didn't renew my membership thus year because I don't like Digital "Portfolio" Challenge? Or I'm waiting for "Big Changes On The DPC Horizon"?

Looks like you wear Archival well! :-)

- Blue Ribbon - Congrats!
 10/27/2021 08:01:15 AM · #65
Originally posted by spydr:
Get rid of the Archival Challenges. That's my vote.


Originally posted by NikonJeb:
And less than one challenge a month entered over an 18 year span.

There's justification for just skip it 'cause it certainly isn't affecting him in the slightest.


Originally posted by spydr:
Really? Feel free to disregard my vote. Write off anyone else who doesn't agree with you too. But, the thread was open to all participants.

I've entered 150+ challenges... But certainly my vote shouldn't count. Right? BTW, I was a member in 2020 and entered around 35 challenges after being away for over 10 years.

Perhaps I didn't renew my membership thus year because I don't like Digital "Portfolio" Challenge? Or I'm waiting for "Big Changes On The DPC Horizon"?


Nobody said anything about disregarding your vote, and so what if you don't agree with me?

You did however suggest getting rid of the Archival challenges without so much as offering any sort of reason.

Averaging less than a challenge a month regardless of distribution certainly doesn't suggest that they were in any way an inconvenience.

Of course you're welcome to your opinion.....how about sharing it instead of just "Off with them!"?

And you do of course realize that this means you negate your own opposition to the Archival challenges? LOL!



Congrats! Nice image!


04/13/2022 03:08:26 AM · #66
(bumping this thread)

Hi, newly rejoiner here...

I think that archival challenges are a potential good way to get old members back, by "lowering" the effort required. But IMHO, the next step for rejoiners or newly entrants is then to try a regular (non-archival) challenge, it it would seems logical (well at least according to my own logic) that this would be before renewing/subscribing to paid membership.

However, it looks like all the open challenges are archival. I think that it would be better to have at least some of the open challenges being non-archival. What about having 1 every 2 open challenges being a "regular" challenge (ie: non-archival)?
 04/13/2022 07:39:38 AM · #67
We have been running pretty much all archival on the open challenges during the pandemic, to allow participation during times when travel is difficult. We are talking about how and when to scale that back a bit.
 04/13/2022 08:05:55 AM · #68
Originally posted by kirbic:
We have been running pretty much all archival on the open challenges during the pandemic, to allow participation during times when travel is difficult. We are talking about how and when to scale that back a bit.


I agree with Gabriel. If there are people who are still having difficulties getting out, why not still have archival challenges each week, but make it a member challenge one week and an open challenge the next week? If people are relying on the archival challenges, it may be a good incentive to rejoin -- become a member again. Then maybe they'll dip their toes into some of the regular challenges?

So we stand a chance of roping people back in while also continuing to help people that are still unable to get out as much as they'd wish.
 04/13/2022 08:20:53 AM · #69
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by kirbic:
We have been running pretty much all archival on the open challenges during the pandemic, to allow participation during times when travel is difficult. We are talking about how and when to scale that back a bit.


I agree with Gabriel. If there are people who are still having difficulties getting out, why not still have archival challenges each week, but make it a member challenge one week and an open challenge the next week? If people are relying on the archival challenges, it may be a good incentive to rejoin -- become a member again. Then maybe they'll dip their toes into some of the regular challenges?

So we stand a chance of roping people back in while also continuing to help people that are still unable to get out as much as they'd wish.

I'll take another look when I get time in the next day or two, but if it was like the last time I looked those that are coming back to enter Archival challenges infrequently enter "regular" challenges. IMO, this takes AWAY from what DPChallenge is all about and that is the "challenge" in obtaining a photo, with a theme, WITHIN a two week window. Not, challenge yourself to scroll thru your archives to find something that fits, or was simply an outtake from the last time the challenge theme was run.
 04/13/2022 11:58:02 AM · #70
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by kirbic:
We have been running pretty much all archival on the open challenges during the pandemic, to allow participation during times when travel is difficult. We are talking about how and when to scale that back a bit.


I agree with Gabriel. If there are people who are still having difficulties getting out, why not still have archival challenges each week, but make it a member challenge one week and an open challenge the next week? If people are relying on the archival challenges, it may be a good incentive to rejoin -- become a member again. Then maybe they'll dip their toes into some of the regular challenges?

So we stand a chance of roping people back in while also continuing to help people that are still unable to get out as much as they'd wish.


This makes perfect sense to me. Thanks.
 04/13/2022 12:21:35 PM · #71
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by kirbic:
We have been running pretty much all archival on the open challenges during the pandemic, to allow participation during times when travel is difficult. We are talking about how and when to scale that back a bit.


I agree with Gabriel. If there are people who are still having difficulties getting out, why not still have archival challenges each week, but make it a member challenge one week and an open challenge the next week? If people are relying on the archival challenges, it may be a good incentive to rejoin -- become a member again. Then maybe they'll dip their toes into some of the regular challenges?

So we stand a chance of roping people back in while also continuing to help people that are still unable to get out as much as they'd wish.


This makes perfect sense to me. Thanks.


Don’t know about others but I have a totally different editing workflow these past few years. Every Archival Challenge for me is going from my RAW file and completely re-editing the capture. I also “see” the original image anew. The Archivals have been a lifeline during Covid - thank you. Health issues aside from pandemics are increasing as we age. Don’t know any demographics of DPC (which I lament) but would guess Archivals are a lifeline in many ways for quite a few of us.
As to the original mission of DPC I can only add that revisiting decades of work and re-interpreting images has made me a better photographer today. Quite a “challenge.”
My 2 cents.
 04/13/2022 12:21:55 PM · #72
Please don't get rid of Archival for good. I do like the idea of on and off again if it gets to that point though.

I took photos years ago, and now years later I actually have the skills to edit them and breath new life into something that would never normally get seen again. (a part from the Abstract challenge, I am never going to learn what that really is lol)
 04/13/2022 03:44:06 PM · #73
I'm not advocating a full removal of archival challenges. I perfectly understand how important this could have been during the lockdonwns, and I also think that it's a good "first step" for newcomers or rejoiners.

What I'm trying to convey is that I think that non-members should also have the possibility to enter a non archival challenge. Right now ALL of the open challenges are archival.
I think that non archival open challenges might be a good intermediate step to "bring" people into membership.

One non-archival open challenge every 2 or every 3 ones would perhaps do the trick.
 04/13/2022 04:26:57 PM · #74
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
...but would guess Archivals are a lifeline in many ways for quite a few of us.
As to the original mission of DPC I can only add that revisiting decades of work and re-interpreting images has made me a better photographer today. Quite a “challenge.”
My 2 cents.


I think you are spot on with this. Reinterpreting/rediscovering older images is a learning experience all its own. Speaking only for myself, I don't see complete abandonment of archival challenges as a valid path. I think they will always have a place. We as a community just need to figure out how they fit in our ongoing (slow) evolution.
 04/13/2022 06:04:42 PM · #75
Run only one a month, if you must.

edit to add: I started participating again regularly because of them. I have MS and can't always get out to shoot for something in particular. Partly because of ability.

If they go away altogether or become so irregular in frequency, I (and I assume others) could lose interest in DPC again. With the archival challenges, there is a challenge that I can participate in whether or not I enter other challenges that are running. It keeps me coming back. The goal should be to keep people coming back even if there aren't other challenges the suit their fancy that week. Too many of those could let people "forget" to come back & look for what's next.

I, too, am waiting for those "big changes".

Message edited by author 2022-04-15 04:25:53.
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