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10/26/2004 01:44:37 PM · #26

Originally posted by Russell2566:

I'm not sure if many people, especialy myqyl or Olyuzi have really tried to have civiliazed discussion with me. Your glasses might be a little rose colored.

If someone makes stupid comments like saying we only went to war because of Hussains attempt on GHB or that Bush is a racist or that Kerry is something he is not, then of course I'm going to reply. My lasp post was fairly civil. I could VERY easily say the same things back to many of you. I'm pretty out numbered here, I have to be a little more forceful.

I'm having one now I think :) Never had one with you before because I've been away from DPC for a few months... I don't feel my comments were stupid, nor do I recall calling the President a racist. I will carefully reread my post and apologize if that's what I did... Especially now that the President has the power to have my phones tapped, my house searched, have me arrested without charges and detained indefinitely without a lawyer... I'd have to be a fool to get on his bad side :)

10/26/2004 01:46:52 PM · #27

We, as a nation, are basically being given the choice on November 2nd (we'll see about that though) to choose between two evils. Use your hearts and minds to choose the lesser of the two. Whether you are republican, or democrat, it doesn't matter. This is a nation that has never before been so extremly divided. Use your voice on that one day and make our country great again.

10/26/2004 01:53:28 PM · #28

Originally posted by Russell2566:

BUT, I do now that if President Bush came on TV tonight and said, were low on troops and we need more soldiers, we are encouraging more sign ups, I would go. I would also do it if it was Kerry in Office. I'm guesing almost none of you would, but maybe I'm assuming too much.

Yes you are :) If John McCain was on the ballot, I'd be voting Republican. I oppose President Bush because I have children that will have to pay for the tax breaks I've received... And yes, I'm wealthy enough to have benefited from the Presidents "Rob from the future, Give to the rich" tax policies.

But that's ok :) I'm sure most of my conceptions of you are wrong as well :)

10/26/2004 01:55:20 PM · #29

Originally posted by ericlimon:

In the interest of historical accuracy, 1860 was a pretty rough year for us too :)

Russell2566

10/26/2004 02:07:01 PM · #30

I feel like my post has been hijacked (with my help even). This stared out as a "Republicans are not what your told they are". And instead ericlimon had to go off and make a stupid (yes I said stupid) non-factual based comment because thats all his playbook had to offer...

10/26/2004 02:12:49 PM · #31

I don't go for the propoganda that the press puts out:
"This is the most important election year."
EVERY YEAR IS THE MOST IMPORTANT YEAR!

I'm curious to see what difference all the "Rock The Vote" and such things do...just because people register doesn't mean that they'll vote...

Anyway, I'm a Republican. I'm also a child of Republicans, but I have been curous and questioning my whole life. When I ask my parents who they're voting for and what things they're voting for, I always then ask WHY. Without knowing their reason why would I blindly follow them? I would follow this same thing with candidates.

Now, as for all the specifics brought up here...I'd like to reply but over the past few years I've only heard bits and pieces of actual happenings (since I was a high schooler and didn't care), but the only things I'm sure of:
- President Bush's speech: does not make him an imbecile or anything even similar. When people call him stupid because of his slight problems with speaking (WHICH HAVE IMPROVED) I find that childish. Especially when everyone is so for being politically correct and for helping the challenged children, why are adults reverting to playground namecalling of a peer that has a little trouble with his words?

- When I watched the VP Debate I was disgusted with the way Edwards responded. I did my best to watch it with an open mind without bias (as much as is possible) and I couldn't get over the fact that he used the whole thing to promote his candidate rather than address the issues. Cheney would reply with a well thought out, fact filled, and unbaised, polite reply, only defending past actions, while Edwards consistently called him a liar and pushed that Kerry would do better. Which would I rather have? A president with a VP that doesn't call people names and knows his facts or one who's VP is a namecaller and who can't keep his facts straight and then won't own up to it?

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10/26/2004 02:21:04 PM · #32

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Um, I don't think I ever said they are one way or another. But your making the rest of the nice republicans out there look really bad the way you talk about anyone with a different view than you have.

what I said was:
"George Bush sounds like this: "... a rich, greedy, egotistical individual, motivated only by money and the desire to accumulate more and more of it, at the expense of the environment ... the working poor ....and all whom they exploit..."

being a republican doesn't mean you have to vote for a republican."

I NEVER said YOU are that person.

LoudDog

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10/26/2004 02:23:29 PM · #33

Originally posted by myqyl:

I oppose President Bush because I have children that will have to pay for the tax breaks I've received... And yes, I'm wealthy enough to have benefited from the Presidents "Rob from the future, Give to the rich" tax policies.

Had Bush raised taxes or simply left them as is, we would still be in a reccesion or worse today. In which case you would probably blaim him for that.
Also, must it be explained yet one more time that everyone received a tax cut, not just the rich. Some people like to look at the numbers and say just the rich got the cut, but if you look at is as pecentage of income, which is how our tax system is based for the most part, everyone got a tax cut.

And my $.02, taxes should still be much lower. The government throws too much money away and pays elected officals far to much. Put a single mother of three in charge of government spending and we all get mondo tax cuts.

10/26/2004 02:28:29 PM · #34

I also want to add some things from that article about what I am as a Republican (just ignore that it says man instead of woman):
WHAT I AM ... is a man who believes in God

WHAT I AM ... is an American whoâ��s proud that his President embraces a belief in God; proud of a President who understands, as "politically incorrect" as it may be, there is evil in this world and for the security and safety of all freedom loving people everywhere, it must be confrontedâ�¦ and it must be defeated.

WHAT I AM ... is an American who takes comfort in the knowledge that our President refuses to allow decisions concerning the very safety and security of this nation, to be governed by the political whims of foreign governments.

WHAT I AM ... is tired of hearing from leading Democrats who see only negativity in America

WHAT I AM ... is a man who believes in the sanctity of life. A man who is repulsed by the pandering of the political left for votes, at the expense of the unborn.

WHAT I AM ... is a movie go-er who is repulsed by those insecure, socially inept, elementary thinking, ego-inflated "entertainers" who have appointed themselves "experts" in the fields of national security and geo-politics and then use their forum to attack this nation, its leaders and its actions....

WHAT I AM ... is an American who understands the difference between "censorship" and "choice". ...the right of free speech and dissent is shared equally by those offendedâ�¦ as well as those who offend.

WHAT I AM ... is a voter, tired of politicians, who, every time their voting records are subjected to public scrutiny, try to divert attention from their political and legislative failures by accusing their opponents of "attack ads" and "negative campaigning". and the news media who allow them to get away with it.

WHAT I AM ... is a human being, full of numerous faults and failures, but a man nonetheless, who, though not always successful, has continually strived to do "whatâ��s right" instead of "whatâ��s easy".

WHAT I AM ... is disgusted with the Courts who, on one hand, call the murder of a pregnant woman a "double homicide" but then refer to the abortion of her baby as, "pro-choice".

WHAT I AM ... is a man who understands, "the American way of life" is a message of self-empowerment for all.

WHAT I AM ... is blessed to be an Americanâ�¦. and proud to be Republican.

Message edited by author 2004-10-26 14:30:25.

10/26/2004 02:35:17 PM · #35

Originally posted by AmiYuy:

... A president with a VP that doesn't call people names ...

I think you may be forgetting that Vice-President Chenney resorted to language ON THE SENATE FLOOR that would have gotten my children's mouth washed out with soap followed by a good long time out...

Russell2566

10/26/2004 02:44:00 PM · #36

good post Ami

MyQyl: What Cheney said in private to someone on the floor is very different to what someone does or says on a debate floor.

Also, Personally I applaud the VP for barking at a backstabber.

10/26/2004 02:45:43 PM · #37

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by AmiYuy:
... A president with a VP that doesn't call people names ...

I think you may be forgetting that Vice-President Chenney resorted to language ON THE SENATE FLOOR that would have gotten my children's mouth washed out with soap followed by a good long time out...

And? One time is enough to kill someone? Yes, it might not have been the best thing to say, but even though I hate cursing I won't condemn a person for saying it once, even if it is public or private.

10/26/2004 02:46:21 PM · #38

maybe the VP should be bark at himself, since he's backstabbing the entire country.

10/26/2004 02:46:30 PM · #39

Originally posted by louddog:

Originally posted by myqyl:
I oppose President Bush because I have children that will have to pay for the tax breaks I've received... And yes, I'm wealthy enough to have benefited from the Presidents "Rob from the future, Give to the rich" tax policies.

Had Bush raised taxes or simply left them as is, we would still be in a recession or worse today. In which case you would probably blaim him for that.
Also, must it be explained yet one more time that everyone received a tax cut, not just the rich. Some people like to look at the numbers and say just the rich got the cut, but if you look at is as pecentage of income, which is how our tax system is based for the most part, everyone got a tax cut.

And my $.02, taxes should still be much lower. The government throws too much money away and pays elected officals far to much. Put a single mother of three in charge of government spending and we all get mondo tax cuts.

Future generations didn't get his tax cut... They get the bill. I oppose any president that is fiscally irresponsible enough to push off today's problems on tomorrows citizens. No other president in history has given a tax cut in a time of war. No other president would be so irresponsible. President Bush has no economic policy. We need someone in the White House that understands that being a good president doesn't mean putting quick fixes to long term problems. No world leader in his right mind would start a 2 front war unless there was no chance of containing one front till the other was won. I don't mind taking Iraq. I drive a car too. But at least disengage from one enemy before you invade another! Especially when the second enemy is contained. This is Strategy 101!!! Of course maybe he was doing something else the week they taught that in the Alabama National Guard.

10/26/2004 02:48:05 PM · #40

Originally posted by AmiYuy:

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by AmiYuy:
... A president with a VP that doesn't call people names ...

I think you may be forgetting that Vice-President Chenney resorted to language ON THE SENATE FLOOR that would have gotten my children's mouth washed out with soap followed by a good long time out...

And? One time is enough to kill someone? Yes, it might not have been the best thing to say, but even though I hate cursing I won't condemn a person for saying it once, even if it is public or private.

Which would I rather have? A president with a VP that doesn't call people names and knows his facts or one who's VP is a namecaller and who can't keep his facts straight and then won't own up to it?

You just condemned John edward for calling names.

Message edited by author 2004-10-26 14:49:09.

10/26/2004 02:50:38 PM · #41

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Originally posted by AmiYuy:

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by AmiYuy:
... A president with a VP that doesn't call people names ...

I think you may be forgetting that Vice-President Chenney resorted to language ON THE SENATE FLOOR that would have gotten my children's mouth washed out with soap followed by a good long time out...

And? One time is enough to kill someone? Yes, it might not have been the best thing to say, but even though I hate cursing I won't condemn a person for saying it once, even if it is public or private.

You just condemned John edward for calling names.

I condemned him for repeatedly saying that Cheney was lying. I did say calling names but perhaps it would have been more apt to say something else. *shrugs* He kept calling him a liar over and over, if he did it once I wouldn't have made any big deal about it, but he didn't, he kept saying it.

EDIT: And how many people would have remembered that Cheney said that? I wouldn't have even known if people hadn't freaked out. Why aren't you all freaked out about TV where people curse 10xs more often and 10xs worse instead of one time?

Message edited by author 2004-10-26 14:53:25.

10/26/2004 02:52:45 PM · #42

I watched it, and I don't remember John Edwards once tell Dick that he was a liar. Did I miss something?

well, you can read the whole debate right here if you want. :The Vice President Debate

Message edited by author 2004-10-26 14:53:12.

Gordon

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10/26/2004 03:00:20 PM · #43

Originally posted by AmiYuy:

I guess I'm confused then.
You want a VP that swears but doesn't call people names ?
Or you just condem potential VPs for calling people names, but not for swearing ?

Not sure I'm keeping up with the spin. It is getting kinda dizzy now.

Message edited by author 2004-10-26 15:00:36.

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10/26/2004 03:04:09 PM · #44

Originally posted by Gordon:

Not sure I'm keeping up with the spin. It is getting kinda dizzy now.

the funny thing is, John Edwards didn't once call Dick Cheney a liar. yet, amiyuy seems to have heard it over and over again.

The Vice President Debate

Message edited by author 2004-10-26 15:04:37.

giega

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10/26/2004 03:05:53 PM · #45

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Originally posted by Gordon:
Not sure I'm keeping up with the spin. It is getting kinda dizzy now.

the funny thing is, John Edwards didn't once call Dick Cheney a liar. yet, amiyuy seems to have heard it over and over again.

The Vice President Debate

Ah, must be those subliminable messages ;-)

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10/26/2004 03:09:30 PM · #46

Originally posted by ericlimon:

I watched it, and I don't remember John Edwards once tell Dick that he was a liar. Did I miss something?

well, you can read the whole debate right here if you want. :The Vice President Debate

- "Mr. Vice President, you are still not being straight with the American people."
- "And you've gone around the country suggesting that there is some connection. There is not."
- "Now, I want to go back to something the vice president said just a minute ago, because these distortions are continuing."
- "What the vice president has just said is just a complete distortion."
- "This, unfortunately -- what the vice president is telling people is inconsistent with everything they see every single day. ... It's not true."
- "That was a complete distortion of my record. I know that won't come as a shock."

Now, I glanced through the majority of the debate text and I was appalled at seeing how often he did talk about Kerry's the best and that kind of stuff. Granted a debate is where you defend yourself (Cheney) and then say what you think is best to fix it (Edwards), but it was almomst nauseatingly in every line.

I also dislike personal attacks and when Edwards attacked Cheney about Haliburton (which has NOT been confirmed or dismissed yet!), I found it very distasteful.

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

10/26/2004 03:13:13 PM · #47

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by louddog:

Originally posted by myqyl:
I oppose President Bush because I have children that will have to pay for the tax breaks I've received... And yes, I'm wealthy enough to have benefited from the Presidents "Rob from the future, Give to the rich" tax policies.

Had Bush raised taxes or simply left them as is, we would still be in a recession or worse today. In which case you would probably blaim him for that.
Also, must it be explained yet one more time that everyone received a tax cut, not just the rich. Some people like to look at the numbers and say just the rich got the cut, but if you look at is as pecentage of income, which is how our tax system is based for the most part, everyone got a tax cut.

And my $.02, taxes should still be much lower. The government throws too much money away and pays elected officals far to much. Put a single mother of three in charge of government spending and we all get mondo tax cuts.

Future generations didn't get his tax cut... They get the bill. I oppose any president that is fiscally irresponsible enough to push off today's problems on tomorrows citizens. No other president in history has given a tax cut in a time of war. No other president would be so irresponsible. President Bush has no economic policy. We need someone in the White House that understands that being a good president doesn't mean putting quick fixes to long term problems. No world leader in his right mind would start a 2 front war unless there was no chance of containing one front till the other was won. I don't mind taking Iraq. I drive a car too. But at least disengage from one enemy before you invade another! Especially when the second enemy is contained. This is Strategy 101!!! Of course maybe he was doing something else the week they taught that in the Alabama National Guard.

Had he not lowered taxes, future generations would have had a larger bill to pay, and no jobs to do it with.
Since you think the tax cuts were a bad idea, what should Bush have done to stop the recession and spur growth after 9/11? It's easy to say Bush was wrong, now tell us what would have been the right thing to do.

10/26/2004 03:13:43 PM · #48

I shoulda known better than to actually post more than just my first 2. -_-

Originally posted by Gordon:

I'm sure Kerry and Edwards have sworn too, the only mistake Cheney made was he did it where the public could see it. Whoops, he's screwed forever. *inserts view on the liberal media* I bet if K/E had done it we would have never heard. *ends view on media*

Originally posted by ericlimon:

See my last post.

Now, I'm done, no more political postings for me. I'm off to finish homework and go to class.

10/26/2004 03:20:42 PM · #49

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Sorry, but the fact of the matter is he said it on the floor of the US Senate, during a photo op. Not in private... I have no problem with the language, but it shows tremendous disrespect for the office of the Senator and for the Senate as a whole. I only bring it up because of the allagation that Senator Edwards was disrespectful of his opponent in a debate. I don't believe either instance is relavent to the election.