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07/12/2015 05:19:51 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by jagar:
We have lots of deer here and I walk in the woods everyday, could someone explaine to me the best way to find ready available deer piss, I mean enough to smear myself in like Cory ? |
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07/12/2015 05:21:38 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
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Hunters always say they're hunting for meat rather than killing for fun. For some reason, they make a big to-do over "thinning the herd" or "fresh meat for the fam", rather than say the REAL truth, which is that it's fun.
... But, admitting it would at least be honest. |
Umm, wrong again? I just admitted to taking pleasure in it a few comments ago. |
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07/12/2015 05:43:22 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
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Hunters always say they're hunting for meat rather than killing for fun. For some reason, they make a big to-do over "thinning the herd" or "fresh meat for the fam", rather than say the REAL truth, which is that it's fun.
... But, admitting it would at least be honest. |
Umm, wrong again? I just admitted to taking pleasure in it a few comments ago. |
Yes you did, Cory and I meant to mention it, then forgot in my anti-gun passion. Apologies. |
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07/13/2015 08:03:02 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Hunters always say they're hunting for meat rather than killing for fun. For some reason, they make a big to-do over "thinning the herd" or "fresh meat for the fam", rather than say the REAL truth, which is that it's fun. |
The camaraderie and bonding experienced by hunters during an outing in no way reflects on their feelings vis-a-vis the animal they gather. The fun part you allude to is in the social interaction of friends and not in killing an animal.
Perhaps you live in the city and cannot fathom the need to cull a herd, but if you were a farmer, as are most in the area that I live in and were losing a significant portion of your crop to deer, then perhaps you might understand.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Nobody believes you get up in the morning dreading having to go out and shoot meat for your family....unless your car is broken down and you have to hike 1/2 mile to the grocery store in the rain. |
Best you come and visit these parts if you don't believe that people do go out and hunt for food...and one cannot drive their car into the woods when hunting, unlike the ability to do just that for those who go to the supermarket and then tend to look down their noses at others.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
... I'm sure shooting them in the woods is probably far less traumatic, except when you miss and they run off and die suffering horrible deaths because you either can't find them or can't catch them. How does that feel when it happens? Or, do you never fail to kill them with one shot? |
Perhaps it might be attributable to the fact that I (like most of my hunter friends) spent a great deal of time engaging in "boring" target practice and have greater abilities than others. I have never personally known of any instance where an animal was shot and walked away. They fell right where they were shot. Maybe what you have experienced are the activities of unskilled hunters from the city.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
It's gotta be hard to admit that you enjoy the thrill of killing another living being, even though in our culture, it's condoned and even encouraged. But, admitting it would at least be honest. |
My foster father was a native and as such believed that all life is sacred and that taking a life should be treated with reverance and respect. There was a ritual that he engaged in every single time he killed an animal for consumption by his family. I would also point out that everything harvested had a use, including bones.
This joy in killing you refer to is not something that is rampant in the hunting community that I have known.
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07/13/2015 03:56:59 PM · #80 |
I think these arguments are insane, and I don't even hunt. It's cowardly because you wear camouflage to hide from animals? It's not about personal safety, it's about stealth. Yeesh! Next you'll be calling all animals with camouflage cowards. Sorry walking sticks, you are now officially the wusses of the insect kingdom.
Target practice is not universally boring. I can even amuse myself by making dots appear at a distance with a harmless laser pointer.
I don't fear my neighbors, and I take offense at your characterization of gun owners as unintelligent.
But do continue letting your bias paint your opposition as a big stupid scaredy-cat scapegoat you can kick to make yourself feel better.
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07/13/2015 04:15:15 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
I think these arguments are insane, and I don't even hunt. It's cowardly because you wear camouflage to hide from animals? It's not about personal safety, it's about stealth. Yeesh! Next you'll be calling all animals with camouflage cowards. Sorry walking sticks, you are now officially the wusses of the insect kingdom.
Target practice is not universally boring. I can even amuse myself by making dots appear at a distance with a harmless laser pointer.
I don't fear my neighbors, and I take offense at your characterization of gun owners as unintelligent.
But do continue letting your bias paint your opposition as a big stupid scaredy-cat scapegoat you can kick to make yourself feel better. |
Hey animals can be camouflaged as well out in the wild.... Sometimes it can be difficult to see them if your lanes aren't maintained well
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07/13/2015 09:57:15 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
"Hunting animals is cowardly"? Out of curiosity, how to you rank "buying amputated limbs of animals in shrink-wrapped plastic"? |
Hunting is no longer done because one needs food. It's a sport. For fun. It cannot in anyway be compared to "amputated limbs in shrink wrap".
Why is hunting cowardly? A deer hunter dresses in camo to be harder to see. He climbs onto a deer stand...to be harder to see. With him, he has his big, powerful deer rifle with which to blow away....for fun.....an animal which is no threat, completely unaware, in ITS home....not yours....all so that you can be back-slapped and beer-hoisted by other cowardly animal killers who all think you did something very courageous and skillful. Which maybe could have been said for you had you chased down the deer, wrestled it with your bare hands, and managed to bash its head in with a rock. THAT would have been an accomplishment.
But, what's most telling is how defensive you guys are! I must have really nailed it. :-) |
Wow! You really know nothing of wildlife, do you? Here in Pennsylvania deer do over a million dollars in damage to crops amd personal property. If they were not hunted, the deer would populate to a point where they would both starve in huge numbers and destroy exponentially more property.
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07/13/2015 10:01:54 PM · #83 |
| Think I hit a nerve? wow. Thanks, guys! :-D |
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07/13/2015 11:00:45 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
"Hunting animals is cowardly"? Out of curiosity, how to you rank "buying amputated limbs of animals in shrink-wrapped plastic"? |
Hunting is no longer done because one needs food. It's a sport. For fun. It cannot in anyway be compared to "amputated limbs in shrink wrap".
Why is hunting cowardly? A deer hunter dresses in camo to be harder to see. He climbs onto a deer stand...to be harder to see. With him, he has his big, powerful deer rifle with which to blow away....for fun.....an animal which is no threat, completely unaware, in ITS home....not yours....all so that you can be back-slapped and beer-hoisted by other cowardly animal killers who all think you did something very courageous and skillful. Which maybe could have been said for you had you chased down the deer, wrestled it with your bare hands, and managed to bash its head in with a rock. THAT would have been an accomplishment.
But, what's most telling is how defensive you guys are! I must have really nailed it. :-) |
Wow! You really know nothing of wildlife, do you? Here in Pennsylvania deer do over a million dollars in damage to crops amd personal property. If they were not hunted, the deer would populate to a point where they would both starve in huge numbers and destroy exponentially more property. |
Of course, that's because you hunted the bears and wolves to extinction ... |
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07/14/2015 03:05:32 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
"Hunting animals is cowardly"? Out of curiosity, how to you rank "buying amputated limbs of animals in shrink-wrapped plastic"? |
Hunting is no longer done because one needs food. It's a sport. For fun. It cannot in anyway be compared to "amputated limbs in shrink wrap".
Why is hunting cowardly? A deer hunter dresses in camo to be harder to see. He climbs onto a deer stand...to be harder to see. With him, he has his big, powerful deer rifle with which to blow away....for fun.....an animal which is no threat, completely unaware, in ITS home....not yours....all so that you can be back-slapped and beer-hoisted by other cowardly animal killers who all think you did something very courageous and skillful. Which maybe could have been said for you had you chased down the deer, wrestled it with your bare hands, and managed to bash its head in with a rock. THAT would have been an accomplishment.
But, what's most telling is how defensive you guys are! I must have really nailed it. :-) |
Wow! You really know nothing of wildlife, do you? Here in Pennsylvania deer do over a million dollars in damage to crops amd personal property. If they were not hunted, the deer would populate to a point where they would both starve in huge numbers and destroy exponentially more property. |
Of course, that's because you hunted the bears and wolves to extinction ... |
Well, *I* certainly did not personally, and that would go back to a time when people did hunt for food, and bears and wolves were killed off as predators and as a danger to settlers and livestock. Not exactly the point here.
And as to hitting a nerve, you bet. I don't hunt,but your characterization of hunters and their mindset was abhorrent. I live in an area where a number of my friends do, and I've sat at their tables and enjoyed many a meal from the game they've shot. Just because hunting doesn't suit your narrow vision of th world is no cause to denigrate hunters as a whole.
Having been hit by deer in my car four times..HIT.....and one of them I crossed the opposite lane and had both left wheels off the road trying to get out of the dumb thing's way, I'm happy that people do hunt to keep the numbers down. Deer wreak havoc in crop fields and orchards where the picking is easy. Yeah, the population is a problem that has been caused by our invasion of their habitat, but we're not going away anytime soon, so the problem has to be alleviated. Perhaps you could explain your attitude to an orchard owner and see if you touch a nerve there.
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07/14/2015 07:31:07 AM · #86 |
| Jeb, I didn't say I was against hunting, I was just pointing out that deer populations may be so out of whack because of human intervention in wiping out natural predators. |
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07/14/2015 07:36:52 AM · #87 |
| on second thought, we should allow easy access to guns, the human population could use some thinning out too. |
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07/14/2015 07:36:56 AM · #88 |
if you think about culling animals to keep the numbers down for the preservation of the species or for the welfare of another species, one has to ask the following question: What's the most valuable thing we have, is it not the earth we live on? Humans are destroying it beyond repair and to an extent that before long we'll be putting our own lives and that of every species on it at risk, do we need culling before it's too late ?
Message edited by author 2015-07-14 07:37:49. |
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07/14/2015 08:05:43 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Think I hit a nerve? wow. Thanks, guys! :-D |
You most certainly did, but probably not for the reasons you think.
Rather sad that in your narrow minded perception of what is, that only your views seem to have any value.
I read your comments with attention and interest, and when all is said and done I am reminded of a comment made by Plato that seems to fit your views to perfection:
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."
Walk towards the light... educate yourself... it does not hurt.
Ray |
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07/14/2015 08:33:59 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by jagar:
if you think about culling animals to keep the numbers down for the preservation of the species or for the welfare of another species, one has to ask the following question: What's the most valuable thing we have, is it not the earth we live on? Humans are destroying it beyond repair and to an extent that before long we'll be putting our own lives and that of every species on it at risk, do we need culling before it's too late ? |
Possibly already too late, but I'd say yes.
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07/14/2015 11:25:01 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
if you think about culling animals to keep the numbers down for the preservation of the species or for the welfare of another species, one has to ask the following question: What's the most valuable thing we have, is it not the earth we live on? Humans are destroying it beyond repair and to an extent that before long we'll be putting our own lives and that of every species on it at risk, do we need culling before it's too late ? |
Possibly already too late, but I'd say yes. |
It's gonna happen, one way or another. We've deluded ourselves into believing we're in control of nature, but we are not. We should all be humble enough to realize it's not the PLANET that needs saving, after all is said and done; the earth will still be here after the next extinction event, whatever it happens to be, and the earth WILL recover. |
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07/14/2015 12:12:42 PM · #92 |
"And as to hitting a nerve, you bet. I don't hunt,but your characterization of hunters and their mindset was abhorrent. I live in an area where a number of my friends do, and I've sat at their tables and enjoyed many a meal from the game they've shot. Just because hunting doesn't suit your narrow vision of th world is no cause to denigrate hunters as a whole."
Abhorrent? Because I believe that killing another living being for fun isn't a noble thing for a supposedly civilized human being to do? At least one of you has admitted it. Instead, you're defensive as hell....which is the general reaction when a man is verbally stripped of his manhood in a public forum.
I have a nephew who gleefully posts photos of himself and his 8-yr-old son to his Facebook page, grinning like a fool over the bloody carcass of some creature who never knew they were coming and wouldn't have hurt them if it had. Yet, said nephew becomes absolutely INFURIATED (much like some of you) at the suggestion he kills for fun.
"How DARE you, you Obama Lover!! I hunt to feed my family!! I have terrible emotional stress and sadness whenever I kill a deer!!" Yet, nephew, you can't wait to post your big smiley face drooling over a fresh bloody kill to show the world how powerful, clever and courageous you are.
Pretty disgustingly lacking in integrity, wouldn't you say?
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07/14/2015 12:40:04 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Abhorrent? Because I believe that killing another living being for fun isn't a noble thing for a supposedly civilized human being to do? At least one of you has admitted it. Instead, you're defensive as hell....which is the general reaction when a man is verbally stripped of his manhood in a public forum. |
Seems your comprehension levels are a tad off centre. What he found abhorent was your generalization about a lifestyle that you obviously know nothing about.
You really ought to familiarize yourself with one of the comments made by Sir James Dewar who said:
"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when they are open."
Have a great day.
Ray
Message edited by author 2015-07-14 12:48:15. |
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07/14/2015 12:45:28 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
"And as to hitting a nerve, you bet. I don't hunt,but your characterization of hunters and their mindset was abhorrent. I live in an area where a number of my friends do, and I've sat at their tables and enjoyed many a meal from the game they've shot. Just because hunting doesn't suit your narrow vision of th world is no cause to denigrate hunters as a whole."
Abhorrent? Because I believe that killing another living being for fun isn't a noble thing for a supposedly civilized human being to do? At least one of you has admitted it. Instead, you're defensive as hell....which is the general reaction when a man is verbally stripped of his manhood in a public forum.
I have a nephew who gleefully posts photos of himself and his 8-yr-old son to his Facebook page, grinning like a fool over the bloody carcass of some creature who never knew they were coming and wouldn't have hurt them if it had. Yet, said nephew becomes absolutely INFURIATED (much like some of you) at the suggestion he kills for fun.
"How DARE you, you Obama Lover!! I hunt to feed my family!! I have terrible emotional stress and sadness whenever I kill a deer!!" Yet, nephew, you can't wait to post your big smiley face drooling over a fresh bloody kill to show the world how powerful, clever and courageous you are.
Pretty disgustingly lacking in integrity, wouldn't you say? |
As for "hunting for fun"....there are very few hunters that only hunt for sport. There are still some that will shoot a prize deer cut off it's head for the mount and leave the body. For those people you are right they should be ashamed.
However, being proud of your kill. Posting pics on FB or whatever. There is nothing wrong with that. After taking the pic though you need to gut it and take it to the processor to be made into the useable meat. I don't process my own meat by the way.
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07/14/2015 01:02:21 PM · #95 |
"being proud of your kill. Posting pics on FB or whatever. There is nothing wrong with that"
I completely agree that there's nothing wrong with posting your kill. There's nothing wrong with posting your kill with a giant, proud silly grin on your face, either. Then, of course, come the accolades from all your FB friends which makes the killing all that much more awesomely wonderful!
What's WRONG is to then claim you had all kinds emotional distress and sadness over "having" to kill it because it's "necessary" and to infer that you ENJOYED!!??? it makes me an "idiot!!!" and an "Obama Lover!!!" (from nephew) I need to "come into the light" says Ray!! I need to EDUCATE myself!!
Naturally, I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of my feelings on this anymore than any of you care what *I* think. But, I WOULD urge some integrity in your bloodthirsty stance when so many of you DO enjoy the killing. Own it. When you don't, it says wwaaayy more about you than about this particular Idiot Obama Lover. |
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07/14/2015 01:34:35 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
if you think about culling animals to keep the numbers down for the preservation of the species or for the welfare of another species, one has to ask the following question: What's the most valuable thing we have, is it not the earth we live on? Humans are destroying it beyond repair and to an extent that before long we'll be putting our own lives and that of every species on it at risk, do we need culling before it's too late ? |
Possibly already too late, but I'd say yes. |
How do you reckon we should do it, more expert challenges or more gun debates ? we could slip something toxic in that deer piss :-)
Message edited by author 2015-07-14 13:35:50. |
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07/14/2015 01:47:11 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
if you think about culling animals to keep the numbers down for the preservation of the species or for the welfare of another species, one has to ask the following question: What's the most valuable thing we have, is it not the earth we live on? Humans are destroying it beyond repair and to an extent that before long we'll be putting our own lives and that of every species on it at risk, do we need culling before it's too late ? |
Possibly already too late, but I'd say yes. |
How do you reckon we should do it, more expert challenges or more gun debates ? we could slip something toxic in that deer piss :-) |
I think Darwin had a theory on that
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07/14/2015 01:51:13 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
"being proud of your kill. Posting pics on FB or whatever. There is nothing wrong with that"
I completely agree that there's nothing wrong with posting your kill. There's nothing wrong with posting your kill with a giant, proud silly grin on your face, either. Then, of course, come the accolades from all your FB friends which makes the killing all that much more awesomely wonderful!
What's WRONG is to then claim you had all kinds emotional distress and sadness over "having" to kill it because it's "necessary" and to infer that you ENJOYED!!??? it makes me an "idiot!!!" and an "Obama Lover!!!" (from nephew) I need to "come into the light" says Ray!! I need to EDUCATE myself!!
Naturally, I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of my feelings on this anymore than any of you care what *I* think. But, I WOULD urge some integrity in your bloodthirsty stance when so many of you DO enjoy the killing. Own it. When you don't, it says wwaaayy more about you than about this particular Idiot Obama Lover. |
I never said that I like / dislike the killing. However, I do enjoy hunting but I do not do it strictly for the sport. I do it to put really good meat on the table. I am not limited to just deer either. It's been a while but I have hunted rabbit and squirrel. FYI rabbit and squirrel are much more difficult to me than deer.
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07/14/2015 01:59:31 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
"And as to hitting a nerve, you bet. I don't hunt,but your characterization of hunters and their mindset was abhorrent. I live in an area where a number of my friends do, and I've sat at their tables and enjoyed many a meal from the game they've shot. Just because hunting doesn't suit your narrow vision of th world is no cause to denigrate hunters as a whole."
Abhorrent? Because I believe that killing another living being for fun isn't a noble thing for a supposedly civilized human being to do? At least one of you has admitted it. Instead, you're defensive as hell....which is the general reaction when a man is verbally stripped of his manhood in a public forum.
I have a nephew who gleefully posts photos of himself and his 8-yr-old son to his Facebook page, grinning like a fool over the bloody carcass of some creature who never knew they were coming and wouldn't have hurt them if it had. Yet, said nephew becomes absolutely INFURIATED (much like some of you) at the suggestion he kills for fun.
"How DARE you, you Obama Lover!! I hunt to feed my family!! I have terrible emotional stress and sadness whenever I kill a deer!!" Yet, nephew, you can't wait to post your big smiley face drooling over a fresh bloody kill to show the world how powerful, clever and courageous you are.
Pretty disgustingly lacking in integrity, wouldn't you say? |
Wait just one moment. I said I found hunting fun. I DID NOT say I killed for fun. The difference may not seem significant to you, but it is.
And as for your premise that the animal 'wouldn't have hurt them'.. Well, let's just say that shows just how ignorant you really are.
Message edited by author 2015-07-14 14:01:57. |
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07/14/2015 02:03:10 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
if you think about culling animals to keep the numbers down for the preservation of the species or for the welfare of another species, one has to ask the following question: What's the most valuable thing we have, is it not the earth we live on? Humans are destroying it beyond repair and to an extent that before long we'll be putting our own lives and that of every species on it at risk, do we need culling before it's too late ? |
Possibly already too late, but I'd say yes. |
How do you reckon we should do it, more expert challenges or more gun debates ? we could slip something toxic in that deer piss :-) |
I'd suggest that our best shot at destroying the human race is to cause the release of methane clathrates. Another few degrees should do it. |
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