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 10/04/2004 09:29:01 PM · #101
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
So then what does define domestication?


VERB: To train to live with and be of use to people.

Tigers and alligators, as a species, do not fit into that definition (as Roy Horn will tell you).


Well, I'm not sure who Roy Horn is, but I did state your definition earlier in this thread, at least the part about learning to live with people. I do, however, think that tigers and aligators are trained to live with humans in zoos (as are other zoo inhabiting creatures), regardless if it's intentional or not. They get trained to expect food at certain times of the day, and where and by whom, etc...all human related. By living in zoos they are certainly of use to humans, otherwise why have zoos at all?

10/04/2004 09:52:24 PM · #102
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Well, I'm not sure who Roy Horn is,


Half of Sigfried and Roy... he's the one who was mauled by his "trained" tiger.
 10/04/2004 09:53:52 PM · #103
Well, the Bronx Zoo exists to educate people on the fact that certain species are rapidly becoming extinct. Living in a city, it's easy to forget the wonders of nature, and the creatures that exist throughout. So on that level, it serves the animals. Because without that source of information, you are less likely to have kids take an interest in their plight and grow up to be conservationists, or veterinarians.

The Bronx Zoo also has the option for their patrons to donate their entrance fees and other fees for zoo services to wildlife conservation, and the prevention of extinction of the very animals people here insist must be photographed in the wild. Pretty soon, there won't be a wild left, if we don't try to preserve it by any means possible.

Taking a photograph of a Lion in the wild, doesn't make him anyless beautiful, and doesn't take away the fact that he is a Lion.

Message edited by author 2004-10-04 21:55:51.
 10/04/2004 10:14:24 PM · #104
I'll acknowledge that my entry was taken in the zoo! But I planned carefully before I captured this image...I reviewed numerous professional photo web sites that described the requirements for capturing zoo photos...patience,lighting,patience,expressions, patience, background, patience...etc., etc. Then I reviewed the layout...made sure I knew in advance which "beast" (note: beast can be anything from insect, bird, mammal, etc.) I wanted to capture, how to get there before the crowd, and probably what I would need to do to get the angle I wanted. Then...doors opened, rushed to the scene and waited, shot a few images, waited, shot some more...made multiple circuits past the "beast" until I could get multiple angles, positions, lighting, etc. Overall took about 4 hours of shooting...and out of a little over 100 images, found only one that seemed to do be appropriate. So...I believe it met the intent of the challenge...I learned a lot in the process...and I only wish the "beast" could appreciate the number of photographers who have seen its image and are engaged in trying to determine whether or not it is in the wild.
 10/04/2004 10:27:48 PM · #105
Originally posted by atsxus:
Well, the Bronx Zoo exists to educate people on the fact that certain species are rapidly becoming extinct. Living in a city, it's easy to forget the wonders of nature, and the creatures that exist throughout. So on that level, it serves the animals. Because without that source of information, you are less likely to have kids take an interest in their plight and grow up to be conservationists, or veterinarians.

The Bronx Zoo also has the option for their patrons to donate their entrance fees and other fees for zoo services to wildlife conservation, and the prevention of extinction of the very animals people here insist must be photographed in the wild. Pretty soon, there won't be a wild left, if we don't try to preserve it by any means possible.

Taking a photograph of a Lion in the wild, doesn't make him anyless beautiful, and doesn't take away the fact that he is a Lion.


I agree wholeheartedly with what you've stated above. Nature is being encroached upon at great rates and we will be left with so little, if any at all, if we don't put a stop to it. Actually, I believe that without nature, the human race and culture are doomed as well.
 10/04/2004 10:30:51 PM · #106
I can appreciate the patience and effort required to capture a great shot at a zoo. But photographing animals in cages is nothing like stalking them in the wild. It took me about 10 hours of shooting to get maybe three usable shots - wait, maybe I just let on that I suck. :) But wild animals DO NOT like to have their pictures taken, even if you have a long zoom lens and have the stealth of a Green Beret.
10/05/2004 12:08:07 AM · #107
This argument is getting old. Becoming more like a rant.

10/05/2004 12:22:30 AM · #108
I am going to choose to blame my absolutely crumby Wildlife score on the Zoo Vs Natural debate.

I think the only certainty that we have established is that the scores from this challenge will, as a whole, in no way reflect the actual quality of the photo.

While some, or even most, may try to score based on photo quality. The votes are doomed to be very skewed. I find myself wishing I could just pull the plug on my entry and bow out of this one.
 10/05/2004 04:23:57 AM · #109
Originally posted by dartompkins:
I am going to choose to blame my absolutely crumby Wildlife score on the Zoo Vs Natural debate.

I think the only certainty that we have established is that the scores from this challenge will, as a whole, in no way reflect the actual quality of the photo.

While some, or even most, may try to score based on photo quality. The votes are doomed to be very skewed. I find myself wishing I could just pull the plug on my entry and bow out of this one.


Yeah I think that you have nailed it on the head! I have what I believe to be a great shot in the wild (It would not matter if it was zoo) but my biggest disappointment is that I will never know what others truly believe or how it would have scored. Maybe I would have been disappointed I have been before, but I was expecting to be excited with a personal best. All gone now.
 10/05/2004 06:53:41 AM · #110
I feel exactly the same way. Except I went to a zoo. But still, that shouldn't discredit the image. C'est la vie, I guess.
 10/05/2004 08:20:58 PM · #111
Oooooooo, I'm steaming mad about a comment I just got on my Wildlife entry!!!! I don't know how to contain this anger (or get my feelings out appropriately). I guess I just need to re-read the GOOD comment from one of the BEST photographers on this site over and over and over again. Some people really tick me off. I love having comments, but people who narrow-mindedly interpret the challenge descriptions and then add their own narrow-minded "rules" to judge by really make me angry!!

Back to reading the good comment, over and over and over and ...

10/05/2004 08:36:47 PM · #112
I have got some really good comments from non-members. I wish they could vote :D
 10/05/2004 09:10:54 PM · #113
Originally posted by annasense:
Oooooooo, I'm steaming mad about a comment I just got on my Wildlife entry!!!!


Wasn't me, promise ;). I haven't left any messages cause I haven't started voting yet, and don't know if I will.
 10/05/2004 09:32:23 PM · #114
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by annasense:
Oooooooo, I'm steaming mad about a comment I just got on my Wildlife entry!!!!


Wasn't me, promise ;). I haven't left any messages cause I haven't started voting yet, and don't know if I will.


Yeah, but I know it's coming... you're one of the anti-zoo voters, aren't you? ;)
 10/05/2004 09:39:43 PM · #115
Originally posted by annasense:
Oooooooo, I'm steaming mad about a comment I just got on my Wildlife entry!!!! I don't know how to contain this anger (or get my feelings out appropriately).


Quote from a well-known fish: "Just keep swimming... just keep swimming..."
 10/05/2004 09:42:35 PM · #116
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by annasense:
Oooooooo, I'm steaming mad about a comment I just got on my Wildlife entry!!!! I don't know how to contain this anger (or get my feelings out appropriately).


Quote from a well-known fish: "Just keep swimming... just keep swimming..."


:D Thanks for making me laugh. You and Dora are right. Just keep swimming.... just keep swimming....

:D All better now.
 10/05/2004 09:53:33 PM · #117
Originally posted by annasense:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by annasense:
Oooooooo, I'm steaming mad about a comment I just got on my Wildlife entry!!!!


Wasn't me, promise ;). I haven't left any messages cause I haven't started voting yet, and don't know if I will.


Yeah, but I know it's coming... you're one of the anti-zoo voters, aren't you? ;)


Yes, I'm part of the Anti-zoo brigade :), but I probably won't vote. Not cause I see the issue any differently, but because I've already made enough people mad at me to be tarred and feathered (probably wouldn't make a bad picture :). So, your pics are safe from me. Good luck to all, I"m sure many of your photos are well deserving.

Mine, however, is doing rather poorly, but I've learned alot from this challenge and I enjoyed chasing the beast around. So I come out a winner anyway. I think that's how you have to look at any challenge that you partake in, whether you do well, or not. It's not just the final product that counts, but how you got there. There will always be more opportunities to take better pics and improve your skills and show your work off to the world.
 10/05/2004 09:59:06 PM · #118
I'm so glad everytime this thread pops back up to the top. It means my shot will drop some points. That makes me so happy... I mean, hey who wants a high score anyway?

Can we just let the zoo / non-zoo drop for the rest of the week. I think voters can figure out on their own how to vote.

Thanks,
-danny
 10/05/2004 10:14:49 PM · #119
Originally posted by crabappl3:
I'm so glad everytime this thread pops back up to the top. It means my shot will drop some points. That makes me so happy... I mean, hey who wants a high score anyway?

Can we just let the zoo / non-zoo drop for the rest of the week. I think voters can figure out on their own how to vote.

Thanks,
-danny


Quote from Scalvert and a well-known fish: "Just keep swimming... just keep swimming..."
 10/05/2004 10:29:24 PM · #120
I got the following comment:

"...Worthy of and simlar can be found in Nat'l Geographic. The fact that it can be found so readily is why I didn't rate it higher."

Let me understand this right, my photo is worthy of National Geographic but because it is worthy of National Geographic, I have to get rated lower...hmmm...

Message edited by author 2004-10-05 22:29:43.
 10/05/2004 10:35:28 PM · #121
[edited] Nowhere in the description did it say zoo shots weren't allowed. Just remember that while voting. Alot of zoos hire people to build natural environments for the animals they have. Does this make it any less a natural environment? I personally don't feel like it does.

-danny

Originally posted by doctornick:
I got the following comment:

"...Worthy of and simlar can be found in Nat'l Geographic. The fact that it can be found so readily is why I didn't rate it higher."

Let me understand this right, my photo is worthy of National Geographic but because it is worthy of National Geographic, I have to get rated lower...hmmm...


Message edited by author 2004-10-06 09:30:07.
 10/05/2004 11:07:50 PM · #122
Maybe if you placed some well-written articles around the animal, that would show enough National Geographic environment? ;-)
 10/05/2004 11:08:26 PM · #123
most likely the reason alot of peoples scores are dropping like crazy lately. i dropped x.40 points just today! first 60 votes i was at a good score, next thing i know, 60 more votes later, bam, .4 points lower
 10/05/2004 11:36:01 PM · #124
This tops it all. My latest comment:

"This is well done, but, has nothing to do with wildlife in its environment. Sorry, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt where I can, but it looks like you ignored the challenge."

My animal is surrounded by plain sky. No clouds, No trees, no buildings, no people. Plain empty open sky. So what now, wild animals don't breath air! Thats all that surrounded it. This challenge has reached new levels of insanity, and who cares if the guy sees my post and reduces the score. How can you hurt 4.77 for what the guy says is a well done shot. I would REALLY like to be able to withdraw from this challenge! Perhaps some sort of withdrawal process is in order as a new feature.
10/05/2004 11:53:45 PM · #125
Hey don't feel bad -- one voter apparently scored mine lower because the animal appears to be "a bit cross-eyed."

I will be notifying wildlife authorities in the morning to have this animal checked out by a eye doctor. I'm sure he'll understand the need for glasses. ;-)
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