So how're you doing in Wildlife?

10/04/2004 09:39:51 AM · #53

wow. well, I started at a flat 8.000....and it's been downhill since. Dropped like a rock to a 5.9. So I'm quite unhappily, right on par.

Kavey

10/04/2004 09:56:13 AM · #54

4.4

Sigh...

RobCoursey

Nikon D100

10/04/2004 10:03:52 AM · #55

I keep telling myself that the fun is in taking the shot...

Of course, it would be nice to have the votes to support that...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/04/2004 10:04:02 AM · #56

Three challenges in the voting stage for me, and all are over 6 (a first). Master's entry is the lowest (it figures), and Wildlife is the highest- maybe a personal best. I'm a happy camper. :-)

Er... forget the personal best. It's dropping wildly. Maybe sixth-best?

Message edited by author 2004-10-04 10:26:03.

Sonifo

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/04/2004 10:13:34 AM · #57

Originally posted by Kavey:

4.4

Sigh...

redmoon

Olympus PEN E-PL2

Olympus 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 M.Zuiko Digital

10/04/2004 10:22:03 AM · #58

my submission is quite possibly the best picture i have ever taken.

so obviously it's only scoring 5.72.

drat.

Kavey

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/04/2004 10:41:15 AM · #59

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Originally posted by Kavey:
4.4

Sigh...

Thanks! I knew it was not a brilliant shot and I usually wouldn't enter but because it's different to what I usually do, I really wanted to get some feedback on it. Let's say it's certainly no Tomboy!!

PS It's 4.3 now and still dropping!!!

Message edited by author 2004-10-04 10:42:03.

paganini

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

10/04/2004 10:48:07 AM · #60

This should be renamed as ZOO photo challenge.

"Natural environment" for a bear/lions/etc. do not include a fence :)

Brenb

Canon EOS-60D

10/04/2004 10:48:58 AM · #61

Mine is probably one of the least you would believe to be in the wild. Not because of the background but because of what it is. (but it is and I have proof) I knew when I entered it that it wouldn't do very well. I am really surprised I am sitting at 5.0625 with 3 comments. I have only had one comment questioning it.

gaurawa

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/04/2004 10:54:33 AM · #62

I am slowly dropping and I think I will drop more
I was at 6.9 with 30 votes and now at 6.53 with 60 votes

Sonifo

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/04/2004 10:57:14 AM · #63

What a cutie!

Originally posted by Kavey:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Originally posted by Kavey:
4.4

Sigh...

Thanks! I knew it was not a brilliant shot and I usually wouldn't enter but because it's different to what I usually do, I really wanted to get some feedback on it. Let's say it's certainly no Tomboy!!

PS It's 4.3 now and still dropping!!!

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/04/2004 11:02:11 AM · #64

I wonder how many people voting down zoo shots are going to be embarrassed when the entry turns out to be wild (and vice versa)?

ccraft

Nikon D200

10/04/2004 11:03:25 AM · #65

You can't tell by my photo (so I'm not giving anything away) - but I think a wildlife refuge is a bit different than a zoo and that's where I took my photo. Do you see a difference between the two? The refuge rescues sick and orphaned animals - so the animals aren't what I call domesticated. Also, many refuges allow the animals to roam in areas that aren't completely caged - allowing them to hunt and be as they please. That said, zoo shots or not, I already finished voting and gave the majority above a 7 or 8 because the photos in this challenge were excellent. Many captured the emotions and personality of the animal and that (for me) makes a perfect wildlife shot.

Message edited by author 2004-10-04 16:27:10.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

10/04/2004 11:07:54 AM · #66

By the same token, ccraft, many zoos now do rehabilitation as well. I know at the Riverbanks Zoo in Columbia, they capture injured animals, rehab them, then release them. Maybe not all the animals like a refuge, but several of them were there because of that.

moodville

Nikon D100

10/04/2004 11:22:36 AM · #67

Originally posted by ccraft:

You can't tell by my photo (so I'm not giving anything away) - but I think a wildlife refuge is a bit different than a zoo and that's where I took my photo. Do you see a difference between the two? The refuge rescues sick and orphaned animals - so the animals weren't captured for human arrogance or whim. That said, I already finished voting and gave the majority above a 7 or 8 because the photos in this challenge were excellent. Many captured the emotions and personality of the animal and that (for me) makes a perfect wildlife shot.

Most zoos these days have animals that are bred in the zoo and are not captured in the wild. A lot of zoo animals are no longer allowed to be captured wild. Zoos have extensive survival species programs and breeding programs to ensure the continued survival of endangered and threatened animals. The natural environment of a lot of animals are being destroyed by man. Having people pay to view the animals and all the other 'fun' things that zoo offers go towards the upkeep of the animals - it's not exactly cheap.

People make a fuss about how zoos are cruel and they boycott them and yet these same people watch movies and television shows that use animal actors. The animals are often bred specifically and taken from their parents at an extremely young age. They are taught to be anything but the animal they are, instead they are taught how to perform tricks after long hours of training. Once they reach a certain age they are discarded because they can no longer be controlled. Those animals cannot be released into the wild and often cannot be placed in zoos either. Yet people like to see the 'silly animals' do the 'funny tricks'.

As for the challenge, I want to see good photography and will vote appropriately when I see it. DPC is the only photography website that would rather see mediocre shots that meet the viewer's preconceived interpretation than good photography that still meets the challenge in some form or another. I thought the themes were there to inspire and encourage and not to condemn or restrict. Are people that desperate to beat others that they try to find excuses to vote them low? To even comtemplate entering an image of lesser quality because you know the voters will like it more is a very sorry state of affairs.

The more arguments about challenge descriptions there are the less of a photography challenge this site becomes.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

10/04/2004 12:21:43 PM · #68

Originally posted by moodville:

...I want to see good photography and will vote appropriately when I see it. DPC... [omission mine] would rather see mediocre shots that meet the viewer's preconceived interpretation than good photography that still meets the challenge in some form or another. I thought the themes were there to inspire and encourage and not to condemn or restrict. Are people that desperate to beat others that they try to find excuses to vote them low? To even comtemplate entering an image of lesser quality because you know the voters will like it more is a very sorry state of affairs.

The more arguments about challenge descriptions there are the less of a photography challenge this site becomes.

I strongly share this view and want to suggest to look at topics as a welcome and practical means to inspire, motivate or point photographers into a direction he or she may not go without confining the infinity of availabe choices to photograph any thing in any way to a defined subject, technique or manner.
This, undisputedly, is a proven method, especially for the novice, who may find himrself paralysed without it.

If this is a photographer's site, the interests of good photography, IMO, should be our primary concern. The interests of some voters to extend their, sometimes, unsubstantiated prejudice in a sheer exercise of ego to the considered entries of their sincere authors, is, frankly, insulting to their intelligence and the integrity of their craft and art.

Canon EOS-60D

10/04/2004 12:24:12 PM · #69

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by moodville:
...I want to see good photography and will vote appropriately when I see it. DPC... [omission mine] would rather see mediocre shots that meet the viewer's preconceived interpretation than good photography that still meets the challenge in some form or another. I thought the themes were there to inspire and encourage and not to condemn or restrict. Are people that desperate to beat others that they try to find excuses to vote them low? To even comtemplate entering an image of lesser quality because you know the voters will like it more is a very sorry state of affairs.

The more arguments about challenge descriptions there are the less of a photography challenge this site becomes.

I strongly share this view and want to suggest to look at topics as a welcome and practical means to inspire, motivate or point photographers into a direction he or she may not go without confining the infinity of availabe choices to photograph any thing in any way to a defined subject, technique or manner.
This, undisputedly, is a proven method, especially for the novice, who may find himrself paralysed without it.

If this is a photographer's site, the interests of good photography, IMO, should be our primary concern. The interests of some voters to extend their, sometimes, unsubstantiated prejudice in a sheer exercise of ego to the considered entries of their sincere authors, is, frankly, insulting to their intelligence and the integrity of their craft and art.

yeah... what they said. ;o)

crabappl3

10/04/2004 12:27:56 PM · #70

If I could figure out what Zeuszen wrote I'd probably agree too ;-)

In one week we've gone from the Master's challenge where people are harolding the wonderful images in it, to nit-pick interpretation of descriptions to vote down some really good photography... oh what a site this is!

-danny

Originally posted by laurielblack:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by moodville:
...I want to see good photography and will vote appropriately when I see it. DPC... [omission mine] would rather see mediocre shots that meet the viewer's preconceived interpretation than good photography that still meets the challenge in some form or another. I thought the themes were there to inspire and encourage and not to condemn or restrict. Are people that desperate to beat others that they try to find excuses to vote them low? To even comtemplate entering an image of lesser quality because you know the voters will like it more is a very sorry state of affairs.

The more arguments about challenge descriptions there are the less of a photography challenge this site becomes.

I strongly share this view and want to suggest to look at topics as a welcome and practical means to inspire, motivate or point photographers into a direction he or she may not go without confining the infinity of availabe choices to photograph any thing in any way to a defined subject, technique or manner.
This, undisputedly, is a proven method, especially for the novice, who may find himrself paralysed without it.

If this is a photographer's site, the interests of good photography, IMO, should be our primary concern. The interests of some voters to extend their, sometimes, unsubstantiated prejudice in a sheer exercise of ego to the considered entries of their sincere authors, is, frankly, insulting to their intelligence and the integrity of their craft and art.

yeah... what they said. ;o)

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/04/2004 01:24:52 PM · #71

Originally posted by crabappl3:

If I could figure out what Zeuszen wrote I'd probably agree too ;-)

Ditto. While we are supposed to hold the challenge topic in highest regard while voting, the very fact that NOT meeting the challenge isn't grounds for DQ suggests that we needn't analyze the nuances of every word in the description for some excuse to devalue the images presented to us. [note- sentence length similar to Zeus, but using smaller words]

atsxus

Canon EOS-10D

10/04/2004 01:36:22 PM · #72

Originally posted by Kavey:

4.4

Sigh...

Kavey;

that's just wrong. You should never receive anything less then a 10 in my book. You're work in superb. Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see which one was yours.

Stephanie
Humbled in your presence.

atsxus

Canon EOS-10D