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10/04/2004 01:57:11 AM · #26 |
Some of the zoo shots are very obvious. The challenge states that it should be wildlife in it's natural environment.
There isn't a zoo anywhere close to where I live to even try to take pictures. I spent Friday afternoon and all day Saturday and Sunday climbing hills, jumping creeks, walking along rivers, etc - to find wildlife. It is much easier to find animals than photograph them as wild animals run away before you can even focus the camera.
It couldn't possibly be as hard to take a picture of animals at the zoo - they don't run away. |
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10/04/2004 01:58:07 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by dartompkins:
Squirrels are wild and live in my backyard, but they wouldn't look very wild sitting on my SUV (How did you know?) but that would still be their natural environment. :)
I also spent several days chasing wildlife in their natural environment before making the trek to the zoo. Does that effort count?
Who knows how this will go? Good luck to all, whichever way you went. :) |
Yeah know what ya mean. Got some great shots of Wild Kangaroos grazing on lawn grass on the front of houses but thought it would be seen as not fitting the challenge.
Bob
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10/04/2004 02:04:16 AM · #28 |
| this debate reminds me of another debate that occurs on a granduer scale between professional wildlife photographers. You know the one: a photo of a wild animal taken within a controlled enviroment is not a wildlife photo and should be labeled as taken in such an enviroment. They are talking about the places that you can pay to take photos of otherwise almost unapproachable subjects, wildlife preserves and such. I'm not suggesting zoo shots be labeled at all. I am just finding it interesting that the feelings are obviously running just as strong in this type of forum as they are in the professional wildlife arena. Oh by the way...to the photographers toting their children through the zoo. Way to be!! I have 3 of the little cherubs and while it is rare to get close enough to the zoo, when I do I no sooner can get the camera to my face before they are ready for the next animal. |
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10/04/2004 02:04:51 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Sammie:
It couldn't possibly be as hard to take a picture of animals at the zoo - they don't run away. |
Oh really? I was at the zoo this weekend, and I spent 15 minutes following around a crazed bird of some kind I have no idea at the moment. Very thin narrow cage. Beautiful bird...running front and back, front and back. I think he was toying with me. Him and his cohort in the cage next door. Alternating who would run back and who would run forward. I left without my picture. |
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10/04/2004 02:16:01 AM · #30 |
You know what - It is amazing, that we are debating this issue so agressively. If we were talking about getting paid for a shot that was of wildlife, and someone was getting credit where it wasn't due, I'd agree wholehartedly. But this is supposed to be for fun, and to learn. And people are sucking the fun out of it absolutely.
The challenge here isn't to "get the shot" anymore. It's "how to disect a challenge into each and every syllabal".
Just because a Tiger is in the zoo, doesn't mean he's not wildlife, and doesn't mean he's not in his natural environment, if that's where he were bred. If he was released back into the wild, he wouldn't survive. He wouldn't know how to hunt for his own food, he'd become the hunted. That doesn't mean he's not still wild, and that doesn't make him domesticated. He'd still know to bite off my head if I gave him the chance.
I'm just constantly surpised at the level to which these "challenges" are being lifted. I thought the point of this was to better ourselves as photographers. Not to be petty and argumentative. |
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10/04/2004 02:20:58 AM · #31 |
| Stephanie, you are so right. I had a lot of fun just trying to take the photograph. True I would like to see one of my photos do better in one of the challenges but I am getting better and having fun. Cheers! |
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10/04/2004 02:23:34 AM · #32 |
Votes: 32
Views: 40
Avg Vote: 6.0625
Comments: 2
Probably end up with a 5.5 at the end.... |
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10/04/2004 02:35:38 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by atsxus:
...this is supposed to be for fun, and to learn. And people are sucking the fun out of it absolutely. |
If you had fun getting your shot and post processing it and then seeing how it did in the challenge, then no one can take that fun away from you, however the impassioned arguments.
Originally posted by atsxus:
Just because a Tiger is in the zoo, doesn't mean he's not wildlife, and doesn't mean he's not in his natural environment, if that's where he were bred. If he was released back into the wild, he wouldn't survive. He wouldn't know how to hunt for his own food, he'd become the hunted. That doesn't mean he's not still wild, and that doesn't make him domesticated. He'd still know to bite off my head if I gave him the chance. |
Yes, it does mean that the animal has been domesticated.
Originally posted by atsxus:
I thought the point of this was to better ourselves as photographers. Not to be petty and argumentative. |
That's the whole point of this challenge. You better yourself as a wildlife photographer by going into the wilds and getting your shot and dealing with the same environment that the animal lives in. You don't learn what it means to be a wildlife photographer, or the tactics and challenges associated with wildlife photography by going to the zoo. Not the same thing. |
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10/04/2004 02:51:53 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by atsxus:
...this is supposed to be for fun, and to learn. And people are sucking the fun out of it absolutely. |
If you had fun getting your shot and post processing it and then seeing how it did in the challenge, then no one can take that fun away from you, however the impassioned arguments.
Originally posted by atsxus:
Just because a Tiger is in the zoo, doesn't mean he's not wildlife, and doesn't mean he's not in his natural environment, if that's where he were bred. If he was released back into the wild, he wouldn't survive. He wouldn't know how to hunt for his own food, he'd become the hunted. That doesn't mean he's not still wild, and that doesn't make him domesticated. He'd still know to bite off my head if I gave him the chance. |
Yes, it does mean that the animal has been domesticated.
Originally posted by atsxus:
I thought the point of this was to better ourselves as photographers. Not to be petty and argumentative. |
That's the whole point of this challenge. You better yourself as a wildlife photographer by going into the wilds and getting your shot and dealing with the same environment that the animal lives in. You don't learn what it means to be a wildlife photographer, or the tactics and challenges associated with wildlife photography by going to the zoo. Not the same thing. |
The town that I grew up in was the home town of the largest tent circus in the US. The gentleman that was the trainer in charge of all the WILD animals on that circus was like a father to me. I can assure you that wild animals may be trained and they may be handled, but they are NEVER domesticated.
If you plan on spending any time photographing wild animals PLEASE understand this point! People who do not get this are the ones that end up very badly hurt. I realize that this is another topic all together, but I was too startled by the "Domesticated" comment to not pipe up. |
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10/04/2004 02:53:37 AM · #35 |
| Well, my photo wasn't taken at a zoo and it is obvious (to me) that it wasn't, but I'm still doing poorly (4.77). I haven't looked at any of the others yet, but I agree that the shot should "look" like it was taken in the "wild". I did go to the zoo today but I wasn't happy with any of those pictures because they just shouted "zoo". Probably would have done better with one of those! |
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10/04/2004 03:15:27 AM · #36 |
I'm have a good shot of a mammal in the wild but being killed since it no longer exists in the wild.
Avg Vote: 4.5263 after 38 votes.
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 03:16:05.
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10/04/2004 03:41:16 AM · #37 |
Votes: 34
Views: 50
Avg Vote: 5.0882
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got to say folks i am very happy thus far. This is my first challenge and I did not go to the zoo either. happy days
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10/04/2004 03:44:23 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by siggi:
I'm have a good shot of a mammal in the wild but being killed since it no longer exists in the wild. |
That doesn't really make any sense.
The animal stopped existing in the wild between the time you took the photo and now? Or because it doesn't exist in the wild people know it's a zoo? But then the shot wouldn't be in the wild.
I'm just confused. :)
I didn't enter, so I don't have a score to report.
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 03:45:44. |
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10/04/2004 03:49:26 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by movieman:
Originally posted by siggi:
I'm have a good shot of a mammal in the wild but being killed since it no longer exists in the wild. |
That doesn't really make any sense.
The animal stopped existing in the wild between the time you took the photo and now? Or because it doesn't exist in the wild people know it's a zoo? But then the shot wouldn't be in the wild.
I'm just confused. :)
I didn't enter, so I don't have a score to report. |
deffenetly not a zoo shot and deffinetly existed in the wild somewhere long time ago.
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10/04/2004 04:21:55 AM · #40 |
Just had a look through and it's a great looking challenge. Congrats to all that entered.
Left it to the last day to get my pic and it poured with rain all day (ended up with one slightly oof bird that was too soggy to fly :P)..........so, will have to enjoy voting for others awesome images.
sue
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 04:23:24. |
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10/04/2004 05:22:56 AM · #41 |
I agree on the zoo shots - you could hardly call a photo from a zoo a wildlife photograph lol
But you can't tell until the voting is over I guess.
Ps: i didn't enter.
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10/04/2004 05:40:19 AM · #42 |
My photo is definitely not a zoo shot, but in the end people will vote for the best looking photo.
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10/04/2004 05:55:38 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by aguapreta:
My photo is definitely not a zoo shot, but in the end people will vote for the best looking photo. |
Wrongly, but true.
I think with wildlife photography there is so much skill that goes into getting the photograph. This is why some of the worlds most recognized wildlife photographs are grainy, blurry, and generally far from perfect but still classed as excellent photographs.
Here it is often the other way around.
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10/04/2004 06:23:02 AM · #44 |
I'm doing a bit of a test on the DPC voters, so far it seems to be working. My sub-average shot is now at 6.8, but I expect it to drop over the week. ;)
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10/04/2004 06:26:59 AM · #45 |
Votes: 44
Views: 56
Avg Vote: 5.9318
Comments: 2
Dropped a bit, but on it's way up again. I feel the entries should be voted primarily on the "Wow" factor of the photo, and not on whether it was a zoo in NYC or on the Serengeti.....Ask yourself how likely you'd be to hang the pic up on your livingroom wall, and vote accordingly.
update:
Votes: 45
Views: 57
Avg Vote: 5.9556
Comments: 2
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 06:38:46.
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10/04/2004 06:29:52 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by atsxus:
But this is supposed to be for fun, and to learn. |
That's what it is! Don't take the posts here to seriously it will all work itself out in the end. It is very hard for someone who has worked hard to get a shot then they finally get something they are really proud of and then see in a forum like this that other people do not see the challenge the same as them.
We just happen to have a weeks holidays so we went away for 2 days and spent that time trying to get wildlife shots, we did and yes we are proud of them as well.
Even better than that is we went out spent time together doing something we could both enjoy, saw some amazing sights and learnt a few things about or camera and photography.
Getting voted on and comments are simply a bonus!
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10/04/2004 06:30:31 AM · #47 |
Votes: 48
Views: 59
Avg Vote: 5.9167
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/04/04 06:29 am
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10/04/2004 07:05:13 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Sammie:
Some of the zoo shots are very obvious. The challenge states that it should be wildlife in it's natural environment.
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Keep in mind that you may be wrong. Around the world wildlife is being forced into closer and closer contact with man. With these types of images, I would be very careful not to assume anything. I personally would feel like an idiot if I voted an image a 2 only to discover that it was taken in the wild.
Food for thought on this early Monday morning. :)
Clara |
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10/04/2004 07:09:33 AM · #49 |
Votes: 46
Views: 52
Avg Vote: 4.4348
Comments: 0
That's almost a full point lower that my first entry. Maybe I should've gone with the Bobwhite shot I took. You must understand how many times I tried over and over again to capture something. Nothing stands still. Besides, living in a suburban area (with a world class zoo just down the road) most of the wildlife are flat on the roads. I'm sorry, I tried for a week, I couldn't get anything. But please, chastise me, not my photo. |
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10/04/2004 07:48:55 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Sorry, but when you brave the weather, plan for the day as to what to bring with you (photo gear, food, clothes and pay for travel expenses) then you deserve a much higher score than someone who didn't expend that kind of energy and time and got a much easier shot. |
Please don't take offense, but we aren't National Geographic photographers. The majority of us have a different day job and do photography as a hobby... of course we can't take off work on a whim and travel hundreds or thousands of miles to get to that "wild" place... if I could take off work and go to the ideal place for every challenge, I'd expect a paycheck from DPC. We have to improvise with where we are. And I'll tell you, it's not a piece of cake at the zoo, with kids bumping up against you when you're trying to steady the telephoto lens, or them climbing on the railing in front of your shot... and then there's the kids yelling or the throwing of animal food to get the animal's attention, and then the animals just get up and move and ruin your shot. It's not as controlled of an environment as one might think.
Just my $.02.
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