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07/27/2002 11:31:42 AM · #51
magnetic...OMG...Those are EXCELLENT IDEAS!!

I want my name changed to SH1THEAD. Oops..my wife just informed my my name is ALREADY SH1THEAD!!!!
07/27/2002 12:00:58 PM · #52
I wonder if the vanity plate of that one is taken .....

;)

07/27/2002 12:59:32 PM · #53
Hokie,

With all due respect, one look at your work tells me your not here to LEARN photography. You already know it. Now maybe this site was never intended to be a place to learn. Maybe it truely is just another competition site for folks already in the know. But it is currently helping a lot of folks that DON'T have your inherent skills, to get better at what they love to do. If that's the case, I'm glad I got to be here during it's growing stage so that I could learn a little. But quite honestly, after the 3rd or 4th week that I get booted from the competition so I'm left with nothing but 2 comments and a couple of dozen votes, I'll be back at the search engine looking for someplace to learn again. Of course this would solve the problem of over crowding, so maybe that's a good thing. But it sure would suck to be me and everyone else that gets 'laid off'.

Maybe I'm off base here. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. But what's being discussed here seems to be getting rid of the have nots (knowledge wise) so that the haves don't have to spend time voting on an out of focus, poorly composed image by someone that doesn't understand how to do lighting very well.

But that's just me...
07/27/2002 01:33:27 PM · #54
Myqyl, I couldn't agree more with what you said.
07/27/2002 01:45:26 PM · #55
Originally posted by myqyl:
Hokie,

With all due respect, one look at your work tells me your not here to LEARN photography. You already know it. Now maybe this site was never intended to be a place to learn. Maybe it truely is just another competition site for folks already in the know. But it is currently helping a lot of folks that DON'T have your inherent skills, to get better at what they love to do. If that's the case, I'm glad I got to be here during it's growing stage so that I could learn a little. But quite honestly, after the 3rd or 4th week that I get booted from the competition so I'm left with nothing but 2 comments and a couple of dozen votes, I'll be back at the search engine looking for someplace to learn again. Of course this would solve the problem of over crowding, so maybe that's a good thing. But it sure would suck to be me and everyone else that gets 'laid off'.

Maybe I'm off base here. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. But what's being discussed here seems to be getting rid of the have nots (knowledge wise) so that the haves don't have to spend time voting on an out of focus, poorly composed image by someone that doesn't understand how to do lighting very well.

But that's just me...


I don't think you will have to worry about getting booted :)
07/27/2002 01:58:41 PM · #56
Myqyl, I agree 100% with you.

I favor a random selection scheme with option to vote on other pictures as well. Say you have to vote on 25% of the pictures FIRST before being allowed to vote on any outside your randomly assigned pool. Looking at the thumbnails outside your group, you''ll see say 10 or so that are very good and you just WANT to vote on them. Then, say, you see another 10 thumbnails that are potentially very interesting but it depends on the actual details on the full image. So, you want to look at those as well. And if you are really conscientious about it, you will look at and vote on more pictures.

Benefits:

1. it is random and fair to all, no elitism, no demoralizing some folks (who certainly would stop submitting soon altogether and also stop voting on pictures).
2. you do have a chance to vote on as many pictures as you want throughout the entire week.And you will do your own voting; no one will do the voting for you because of some elimination scheme.
3. The lesser quality pictures will get a chance for viewing and feedback. But the voter doesn''t HAVE to view more poorer quality pictures than those in his/her own pool.
4. The very good pictures WILL surface and get voted on. But you know what???? Their votes may surface only lateron in the week. So, the suspense will be much greater throughout the week. By now, on Tuesday the vote for most pictures is pretty much a done deal.
5. On a 300 pic submission you would not have to vote more than on 75-95 pic to achieve quite an accurate overall vote.
6. It is reasonable and fair to expect every submitter to do some voting. And likewise that every picture receives some votes as feedback. Every picture will get at least 75 votes, hopefully with comments, and that''s reasonable feedback.

To make it very competitive, add a challenge once a month, in addition to the weekly challenge, to which only the overall top 50 can participate. (Not sure how you got about determining the overall top 50 given that people join the dpc at various times but some criteria could be developed).



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07/27/2002 02:17:43 PM · #57
Originally posted by Ronin:
I hope in the next challenge only one person votes on my photo and gives me a 10,.. ill be sure to win (evil laugh....hahahha)

Ronin, for a small fee I'll be more than happy to give you a 10 :) That's the sort of arrangements that might develop when the challenge is being made more competitive through elimination schemes. Also, more posts would be made in the forums to explain one's picture to make sure people understand it or to say that you are brandnew or have a crummy camera or that the cat was sick or ...

07/27/2002 03:04:57 PM · #58
Thanks for the vote of confidence myqyl but I am still learning a lot of stuff, believe me. Now maybe I know how to crop or compose or use photoshop a bit more than the new folks but believe me...It still takes me a lot more effort to get a halfway decent shot than I would prefer. And any look at the comments I get on any of my photos shows a lot of folks agree I need a lot of work
:-)

But I see your point about the booting part and I don't disagree. I think I have said it again but I guess it's worth repeating.

I don't want any changes to occur. I have a fast enough interent connection and a lot of interest in voting for all the photos that are currently being submitted (about 250 photos).

I was just saying that whatever changes eventually occur I would prefer we did not break the challenge up into divisons or whatever. I like the way we all go for the same challenge. Any changes that occur that accomplish this I am all for it :-)

I used to play some amatuer tennis tourneys in college years ago and I would often have to play into the tourney. Meaning I spent tuesday and wednesday before the actual main draw got going on thursday fighting my way through about 30-60 qualifiers for about 4-10 spots open in the main tourney. I had to place just to get a chance to play in the main tourney. So I was thinking of that when the original suggestion of thinning the numbers was suggested by somebody else.

I could relate to that idea was all.




Originally posted by myqyl:
Hokie,

With all due respect, one look at your work tells me your not here to LEARN photography. You already know it. Now maybe this site was never intended to be a place to learn. Maybe it truely is just another competition site for folks already in the know. But it is currently helping a lot of folks that DON'T have your inherent skills, to get better at what they love to do. If that's the case, I'm glad I got to be here during it's growing stage so that I could learn a little. But quite honestly, after the 3rd or 4th week that I get booted from the competition so I'm left with nothing but 2 comments and a couple of dozen votes, I'll be back at the search engine looking for someplace to learn again. Of course this would solve the problem of over crowding, so maybe that's a good thing. But it sure would suck to be me and everyone else that gets 'laid off'.

Maybe I'm off base here. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. But what's being discussed here seems to be getting rid of the have nots (knowledge wise) so that the haves don't have to spend time voting on an out of focus, poorly composed image by someone that doesn't understand how to do lighting very well.

But that's just me...


07/27/2002 05:10:53 PM · #59
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[iI don't think you will have to worry about getting booted :)[/i]

Thanks for the vote of confidence John :) Means a lot. But I see myself as a point and shoot hack that's spent too long concentrating on 1 subject (adopted a daughter 2 years ago and have 9000+ shots of her) to really progress very much. This site is my first attempt to get back to (and beyond) basics since I boxed up my old darkroom chemicals 15 years ago.

I should point out that while I don't think the approaches here would be good, I haven't offered an alternative. That's cause I don't have one :) Yes something will need to be done in the future, no doubt... Yes, there will be painful choices that need to be made... Yes, I am clueless as to the best way to do them.

But I sleep well knowing that the admins here at DPC are quite likely the best I've seen. Drew and Langdon will pull us through all this to a bright shining day... And best of all, we get to Rant at them for every change they make along the way :)
07/27/2002 06:19:39 PM · #60
Originally posted by gr8photos:
i still think we should try and find a solution that doesn''t require dropping submission. anyone who goes through the effort to take and submit a photo for a challenge (no matter how good or bad i think that photo is) deserves the curtesy of staying in the challenge and receiving votes and feedback.

ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!!!
and Journey, your idea ain''t bad.


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07/27/2002 10:06:25 PM · #61
Originally posted by Journey:
Ronin, for a small fee I''ll be more than happy to give you a 10 :) That''s the sort of arrangements that might develop when the challenge is being made more competitive through elimination schemes. Also, more posts would be made in the forums to explain one''s picture to make sure people understand it or to say that you are brandnew or have a crummy camera or that the cat was sick or ...


bet ur fee would include other favours. Silly reason not to make the challenge more competitive and easier for the voters. In skating I''m sure the judges are much sharper, more concious of form for the first skaters than they are for the last. Why must voting become a teedious event instead of keeping it fun?

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07/27/2002 10:11:17 PM · #62
hmmm how would you all feel if the limiting of submission came from the front end. Five ribons and you have to retire? Could still vote and teach and moderate. This is only a half serious suggestion, but think it over---especially if there are going to be prizes. aelith
07/27/2002 11:51:00 PM · #63
Originally posted by MagsCoyote:
Originally posted by Journey:
Ronin, for a small fee I''ll be more than happy to give you a 10 :) That''s the sort of arrangements that might develop when the challenge is being made more competitive through elimination schemes. Also, more posts would be made in the forums to explain one''s picture to make sure people understand it or to say that you are brandnew or have a crummy camera or that the cat was sick or ...


bet ur fee would include other favours. Silly reason not to make the challenge more competitive and easier for the voters. In skating I''m sure the judges are much sharper, more concious of form for the first skaters than they are for the last. Why must voting become a teedious event instead of keeping it fun


Considering last Olympics's skating scandals, your example isn't a happy choice. On the "ur fee would include other favours": sure I would do all sorts of outrageous things for the dpc.

07/28/2002 12:52:47 AM · #64
for sure nobody can vote 300 pictures a week. just make several pages for thumbnails to accomodate 50 pictures randomly to span several pages.

this way no need of limiting the number of pictures being submitted.
07/28/2002 10:24:49 AM · #65
excellent suggestion, it also follows GJA2600's idea.
07/28/2002 11:10:07 AM · #66
Originally posted by albapete:
Sounds good to me. Would make the week more interesting. Maybe each day would be a round, the highest percentage stays and the lower 10% goes.


The more I think about it the more I like it.


I'm new to this site and because of where I live I run on a 28.8 connection. It takes me three days to complete voting. Some of the best shots are at the end of the list. If I understand your suggestion I think that the end photos would be eliminated early simply because people haven't got to them yet. Because of my speed, I have to start at the beginning and go to the end when voting. Cannot pick and choose from the main page or it would take me a month to complete voting.
07/28/2002 11:14:53 AM · #67
I think better than throw away submissions are the suggestions to give everyone a random subset of the photos to vote on.

That way we preserve the advantage of people not having to do too many and can spend quality time on each, and at the same time everyone gets to stay.

07/28/2002 11:23:52 AM · #68
Originally posted by aelith:
hmmm how would you all feel if the limiting of submission came from the front end. Five ribons and you have to retire? Could still vote and teach and moderate. This is only a half serious suggestion, but think it over---especially if there are going to be prizes. aelith

Personally I would hate to see this happen. I am learning a lot from the best of the best.
07/29/2002 09:09:08 AM · #69
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
I think better than throw away submissions are the suggestions to give everyone a random subset of the photos to vote on.

That way we preserve the advantage of people not having to do too many and can spend quality time on each, and at the same time everyone gets to stay.



We''re not suggesting throwing any photos away!
We''re not suggesting throwing any photos away!
We''re not suggesting throwing any photos away!
Just not having to vote on the bottom 10% scored.
The people who''s pictures got eliminated from future voting can learn from the comments that put them in the bottom. Plus you would have people more concerned about the quality of their submitions which would lead to better photos! It''s a win win.

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07/29/2002 09:42:41 AM · #70
Mags..this idea ain't gonna fly no matter how you word it :-)

I personally think the idea is fine and certainly as good as anything that has been suggested to date.

But my take on the response to date is that the concept isn't striking a chord with most people. I can't say why.

I saw more people drop their own photos this week from being voted on than would be dropped by your idea. For people claiming they just want feedback as their main interest it seems ironic so many didn't submit :-/
07/29/2002 09:50:48 AM · #71
I said it before and I will say it again, this is a bad idea in every way. If the bottom 10% doesn't get voted on, it is totally unfair. There may be some good submissions that may have been voted down in the beginning because the majority didn't believe it was done without major Photoshop corrections. Later on, the photographer proves the validity of the photo but it's too late. That particular photo may have actually deserved to be in the top 10. Case in point: Arnit's "Got Toast". If we went by those rules it would have possibly been thrown out. And yes, it is thrown out in my opinion if it can't get votes.

I get a little hot under the collar when everybody wants to go changing things with no good reasoning behind it. If you don't want to vote on all the images then don't. I haven't had the time myself to leave comments every week but I also don't feel I have the technical knowledge to be of much help. I have however voted on 100% of the photos since I joined in February. Bottom line, do as much as you feel like doing but don't try to change everything if it isn't necessary.
08/07/2002 11:39:23 AM · #72
awe, such devotion. That's so reassuring. U're a scholar
08/07/2002 12:30:18 PM · #73
I think one thing that would make voting much easier is if the voting page could hold 10 pictures at a time instead of 1. That way the top picture would load - we could start cogitating and placing votes. And all the time the other 9 pictures are loading ready for us. Then when we've voted and commented on those 10 pictures we submit the whole page-worth of votes at once and move on to the next 10.

This would sure help me get through more pictures more quickly. It would also reduce the load on the web server.

John
08/07/2002 12:37:29 PM · #74
floyd, a workaround that has been suggested is to load the first photo, and then open a separate browser window and there open another photo from somewhere in the middle of the voting page. then you can toggle between them and vote on one while the other loads. you could open even more than 2 browsers. hope that helps :)

Originally posted by floyd:
I think one thing that would make voting much easier is if the voting page could hold 10 pictures at a time instead of 1. That way the top picture would load - we could start cogitating and placing votes. And all the time the other 9 pictures are loading ready for us. Then when we've voted and commented on those 10 pictures we submit the whole page-worth of votes at once and move on to the next 10.

This would sure help me get through more pictures more quickly. It would also reduce the load on the web server.

John





* This message has been edited by the author on 8/7/2002 12:37:07 PM.
08/07/2002 02:21:07 PM · #75
Originally posted by gr8photos:
floyd, a workaround that has been suggested is to load the first photo, and then open a separate browser window and there open another photo from somewhere in the middle of the voting page. then you can toggle between them and vote on one while the other loads. you could open even more than 2 browsers. hope that helps :)


Indeed that would work well. But it doesnt reduce the load on the server.

I was thinking that with my suggestion the number of pictures on the page should be configurable in our preferences.

John
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