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08/30/2004 02:29:06 PM · #1 |
I was browsing through photos of the RNC convention and started wondering exactly what qualities are required for a photo to be published. Granted many of the photos are very well done and not all of them can be pulitzer quality, but some of them are flat out horendous. Frankly, they'd be lucky to score in the 4's if submitted to DPC. This is supposed to be the work of professionals. Some examples....
This photo should go into an "Ooops" folder if and only if the photographer has an aversion to deletion.
I can deal with the moving blur of the dog even though this is supposed to be photojournalism and not artistic photography. But the rotated angle just screams amatuer. Looking at this photo makes me dizzy.
A crop would have been usefull here.
Message edited by author 2004-08-30 14:31:16.
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08/30/2004 02:38:30 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Frankly, they'd be lucky to score in the 4's if submitted to DPC. This is supposed to be the work of professionals. Some examples....
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As would most of the shots in National Geographic et al.
I actually like all of the photographs listed below - they show one thing that 99% of the DPC images don't - a degree of feeling -and rawness.
Image 1 I like in particular - very bold. Image 2 is so so to me - raw and harsh, very documentary though. Image 3 I think would really degrade the image if it were cropped. You would surely loose half or more of it's impact??? There would be no feeling of support there if you cropped the bottom half. (I am presuming that is the part you suggest needs cropping - perhaps because it's out of focus?)
Anyway, I think you really need to read the story that came alongside the photograph in order to judge the photograph.
DPC seems a mecca of photography to some people...? I can't help but feel perhaps people are getting off on the wrong foot by thinking that?
Message edited by author 2004-08-30 14:42:23. |
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08/30/2004 02:43:42 PM · #3 |
I agree thought that here they may not do well, but it would depend on the challenge to be fair.
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08/30/2004 02:44:15 PM · #4 |
I agree with Jon. Each of those three images, taken in the context of the story being told, is likely appropriate and well-chosen.
The first, of Dick Cheney, indeed invokes a feeling of "ooops" that many people feel he may himself be thinking. It could also be looked at like he's behind the scenes, but still very much a major player in the politcal arena. The second shot is good because it *does* make you feel dizzy, tilted and off-balance. I imagine that's what it must feel like to people on the train as the police dog sniffs their kibbles and bits. If the last shot was cropped, as was suggested, it would lose context and energy, no longer making it obvious that the crowd was excited and moving rapidly at that moment in time. |
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08/30/2004 02:45:31 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
This photo should go into an "Ooops" folder if and only if the photographer has an aversion to deletion.
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Or if the photographer wanted to show the similarity to Killroy:)
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08/30/2004 02:46:15 PM · #6 |
Jon, I guess my mention of DPC score is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. I realize that what is sought in most DPC challenges for a high score differs from what photojournalists are searching for. The comparison I made was assuming it was entered in the photojournalism challenge.
As far as the stories, these photos showed up in generic RNC stories, the dog photo having to do with increased security. Nothing in the stories really spoke to the photos.
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08/30/2004 02:50:24 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by computerking:
Or if the photographer wanted to show the similarity to Killroy:) |
Or if the photographer wanted to make him look like Homestarrunner
Message edited by author 2004-08-30 15:23:26. |
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08/30/2004 02:53:10 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Jon, I guess my mention of DPC score is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. I realize that what is sought in most DPC challenges for a high score differs from what photojournalists are searching for. The comparison I made was assuming it was entered in the photojournalism challenge.
As far as the stories, these photos showed up in generic RNC stories, the dog photo having to do with increased security. Nothing in the stories really spoke to the photos. |
But DPC seldom rewards the best photographs in my opinion so I can't really comment. |
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08/30/2004 02:55:20 PM · #9 |
I honestly believe that 90% of the photographs taken from a The 'Best of National Geographic' book would not do well in suitable challenges on DPC.
I imagine 'Technically' there are too many 'flaws' within a lot of them. |
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08/30/2004 03:03:44 PM · #10 |
Personally, as someone who is not a big fan of staged photography, I think DPC could do with a few more photojournalism type challenges to vary the mix.
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08/30/2004 03:09:21 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by computerking:
Originally posted by Trinch:
This photo should go into an "Ooops" folder if and only if the photographer has an aversion to deletion.
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Or if the photographer wanted to show the similarity to Killroy:) |
IS THAT WILSON FROM TOOLTIME????? LOL
Message edited by author 2004-08-30 15:10:23.
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08/30/2004 04:29:22 PM · #12 |
I think a lot of voters score DPC like the olympic gymnastics.
You get a certain base credit for the difficulty, then deductions for each and every 'flaw' that gets found.
The fact that this has nothing to do with what makes a good or bad photo, IMO of course, seems to escape a lot of people |
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08/30/2004 05:15:20 PM · #13 |
Don't worry about photojournalists. They coulnd't compete with us here at dpc :)
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08/30/2004 05:16:38 PM · #14 |
well I know of one that competes with you pretty hard though c," )
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08/30/2004 05:40:27 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Frankly, they'd be lucky to score in the 4's if submitted to DPC. This is supposed to be the work of professionals. |
You seem to be making one huge assumption - DPC is right, and the pro's are wrong.
Incidentally - the shots you say the photographer should have deleted or selected not to use, will in a lot of cases be handled by a photo editor.
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