Framed Outttakes - DPChallenge Forums

08/26/2004 02:03:00 PM · #1

Hi guys,

My two last framed shots:

What do you think about it?

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08/26/2004 02:13:21 PM · #2

That first one is outstanding. I love the detail in the rocks.
Here are some of mine.

Message edited by author 2004-08-26 14:14:30.

jmsetzler

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08/26/2004 02:13:46 PM · #3

I think someone is gonna complain that you shouldn't post outtakes before the challenge starts because you could have used their idea and you have ruined their life because if it ;)

JEM

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08/26/2004 02:14:49 PM · #4

Blanes is very nice indeed. Good stone texture on castle wall plus good exposure on beach and town.

Both my wife and myself think your four "Morning" photos are neat...like your sense of humour.

midnightride2

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08/26/2004 02:14:56 PM · #5

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I think someone is gonna complain that you shouldn't post outtakes before the challenge starts because you could have used their idea and you have ruined their life because if it ;)

yep you are opening up a can of worms

But i do like all of the photos very nice

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08/26/2004 02:15:36 PM · #6

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I think someone is gonna complain that you shouldn't post outtakes before the challenge starts because you could have used their idea and you have ruined their life because if it ;)

you really think so? :) I think it might be helpful for this challenge to give people ideas. I doubt they are going to go out and take the same photos.

Message edited by author 2004-08-26 14:16:24.

Alexys

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08/26/2004 02:29:13 PM · #7

Originally posted by JPR:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think someone is gonna complain that you shouldn't post outtakes before the challenge starts because you could have used their idea and you have ruined their life because if it ;)

you really think so? :) I think it might be helpful for this challenge to give people ideas. I doubt they are going to go out and take the same photos.

IÂ´m really agree with you Jon... The last one of your pics is amazing!

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08/26/2004 02:40:57 PM · #8

Originally posted by a_berenguer:

IÂ´m really agree with you Jon... The last one of your pics is amazing!

Thanks! *but the names not Jon. :)

jadin

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08/26/2004 02:42:59 PM · #9

It's a lack of respect. I see no reason why you can't wait until after a challenge is completed.

mrorange002

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08/26/2004 02:46:28 PM · #10

Originally posted by JPR:

you really think so? :) I think it might be helpful for this challenge to give people ideas. I doubt they are going to go out and take the same photos.

I think you should let other people come up with their own ideas. It's part of the name of this site "Challenge" not just trying to win, but to challenge yourself to create something unique.

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08/26/2004 02:48:16 PM · #11

Respect for what? A commonly used technique in photography? I'm sure people are going out there looking for examples of the technique to make sure that the photos they shoot for it fit the challenge. That's how people learn. With a topic like this I highly doubt anyone is planning on taking a photo through the exact same hole in the trees or random fortress wall. I don't think it makes a difference in the voting one way or another and I think it's fun when people share past photos that happen to relate to a current challenge. I don't see how I could be stealing someone's ideas. The idea is to use a certain technique of natural framing. I don't think having access to other photographs makes the process of taking your own any more or less "challenging."

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Alexys

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08/26/2004 02:55:42 PM · #12

Originally posted by JPR:

Originally posted by a_berenguer:
IÂ´m really agree with you Jon... The last one of your pics is amazing!

Thanks! *but the names not Jon. :)

OOOOOOOOOOPSSSSSSS.... SOrry, Jason!

08/26/2004 02:57:55 PM · #13

Originally posted by jadin:

It's a lack of respect. I see no reason why you can't wait until after a challenge is completed.

What constitutes "respect" is different in different communities. Somewhat like the notion of morality, it's defined by the the majority of the community in question.

Some concepts of respect are shared more widely than others, others vary wildly.

It's not something one (normal) individual in the community can unilaterally define for all the rest. It either needs to be agreed by the community as a whole or laid down by a recognised leader of that community (in this case, site owners).

One could equally insist that it's a lack of respect to dissuade someone from sharing and receiving input on his ideas regarding the current challenge. Which version of "respect" is correct?

By all means argue the merits or disadvantages of the action in question (though it's been done before and not very long ago), and perhaps it will result in a resolution - either way, a resolution of this would probably be a good thing.

But please don't assume that a choice that disagrees with your own in an arena where the community has not made a decision on the issue constitutes a lack of respect.

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08/26/2004 03:07:08 PM · #14

Originally posted by a_berenguer:

Originally posted by JPR:

Originally posted by a_berenguer:
IÂ´m really agree with you Jon... The last one of your pics is amazing!

Thanks! *but the names not Jon. :)

OOOOOOOOOOPSSSSSSS.... SOrry, Jason!

No problem Alexis!

jadin

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08/26/2004 03:14:23 PM · #15

It's a lack of respect since you could successfully remove someone's "wow factor". It's a lack of respect because it's SELFISH. What reason is there that you can't wait to post outtakes? It's not that someone will take an identical photo as you, shooting through the same hole etc. It's that you could ruin someone's CONCEPT. I'm sure many of us are guilty of voting down a photo for being the same as a dozen others. Those dozen photos will score even lower if someone already posted a similar photo before voting even started.

I find it absurd that respect must be something shared widely. You're right in saying it's a personal ideal. Which means that if I find something disrespectful, it is. Not because the majority agrees with me, but because it's a personal decision. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean it changes my ideals.

This has nothing to do with making it more or less challenging. Tell me why it's a good idea to post outtakes before a challenge is over. As for learning by example? That's what the actual challenge is for.

Artyste

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08/26/2004 03:20:41 PM · #16

I, personally, agree with Jadin.

I just don't see one *good* solid reason why people should be posting "outtakes" before a challenge has even gone to the voting stage (or during it!). It just makes no sense to me.

However, there's always the option of completely ignoring threads which have anything to do with the posting of such pictures, but I think if enough people are actually concerned enough about this, it *can* be taken to the forum moderators or higher up to be dealt with.

arpita

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08/26/2004 03:21:03 PM · #17

Originally posted by JPR:

I cannot but agree.. at least for this challenge. Posting a picture of what you see through a hole in the wall is certainly not hampering anyone's creativity, nor ruining someone's wow factor; unless they were standing right behind you clicking the very same shot, _and_ planning to use it for the challenge. I guess a lot of people searched for examples of framing anyway; this just happens to be a particularly nice example of the genre, posted by a DPC user. Should we disbar voters from looking at framed images for the duration of the voting week?
Thanks for sharing the pictures, the first one is really beautiful!
Edit: Also observe that the "outtakes" had been in May, and January.. at least one has even been used in a previous challenge..

Message edited by author 2004-08-26 15:22:38.

08/26/2004 03:22:46 PM · #18

Originally posted by jadin:

I'm not interested in getting into another debate about the pros and cons of posting or not posting outtakes during a challenge.

I think it's been discussed to death in these forums recently. My feeling is that until a decision is made either way by Admins it's up to people to decide what they think about it.

I'm happy with whichever way the Admins decide the issue.

You are indeed right that you can view the concept of respect anyway you like. But to insist that everyone else decides their actions based on YOUR personal definition of the term is egotistical at best.

You say it's absurd that respect must be shared widely. Do you feel the same about morality? One of the most widely shared moral "rules" is that murder is bad. If someone has a different idea about it and feels murder is morally a good thing, does that mean that those who don't murder people should agree to conduct themselves by his code because he tells them they are being morally bad? I don't think so.

As I said, I'm not so interested in the debate about posting outtakes or not and, as I also said elsewhere, would be more than happy if a rule was implemented to ban it.

What I don't like is being told categorically that someone's behaviour shows a lack of respect just because it doesn't agree with your beliefs.

Message edited by author 2004-08-26 15:25:18.

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08/26/2004 03:24:33 PM · #19

Originally posted by Artyste:

I think if enough people are actually concerned enough about this, it *can* be taken to the forum moderators or higher up to be dealt with.

Absolutely, I agree that it should be taken to the Administrators and a decision made, since it's clearly an issue that's a hot potato at the moment.

UNTIL that point, it's up to individuals to decide for themselves whether they feel it's rude or not, selfish or not, respectful or not to post outtakes. Not some self-appointed morality officer.

Artyste

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08/26/2004 03:27:06 PM · #20

Ooops.. in my original post, I meant to put Jadin's last line in quote. That's the part I was really agreeing with.. not the whole "respect" thing, which, for the record, I want to stay right the heck out of!

peecee

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08/26/2004 03:27:42 PM · #21

Date Uploaded: May 12, 2004

Not exactly an out-take anyway.

I loved this one first time I saw it.

08/26/2004 03:33:04 PM · #22

Originally posted by Artyste:

not the whole "respect" thing, which, for the record, I want to stay right the heck out of!

LOL! But it's FUN!
:o)

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08/26/2004 03:35:09 PM · #23

Yes. For the record none of mine are outtakes either. I believe there is a rule stating that we can't post outtakes that would give away which photo is ours during the challenge. These are just old photos I wanted to share. If I had started a new thread called "Please look" I would have gotten more responses and I will remember that in the future. I didn't know this was such a hot issue at the moment.

08/26/2004 03:37:11 PM · #24

Originally posted by JPR:

Yep you're absolutely right that posting without using the expression "outtakes" would have garnered a lot less righteous hostility.

Thanks for sharing the photos, one of the ones posted has given me some inspiration and set me thinking...

Spork99

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