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11/07/2012 12:28:54 PM · #276

Yes, the big corporations that employ thousands, if not millions, are the problem with this country. The big fat cats building 12,000sqft homes, which employ 15 carpenters, 5 electricians, 5 plumbers, 3 tin knockers, 5 roofers, 3 painters, and countless others, yep those big greedy fat bastards are the real problem. Let's tax them into oblivion, that'll for sure create jobs and growth in the economy.

I have an idea, let's all accept mediocrity and live off what pittance the great Almighty wise State allows us to have. What a wonderful world it will be. Puke.

Cory

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11/07/2012 12:33:44 PM · #277

Originally posted by chazoe:

The problem is that we as a nation cannot understand the need for failure. We believe everyone must thrive.

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11/07/2012 12:34:14 PM · #278

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by JH:
People on welfare in Ireland have nice houses, new cars, two holidays a year (holiday from what exactly, I don't know), free healthcare, good social life, and the more babies they make the more money they get.

and everything you said is just plain WRONG!!!! It is not right for the recipients of welfare to be living at a higher level than the people struggling to pay for it. Holidays?????? really... I need to look that up that is hard to believe.

Ah yes, the cost of paying for it. Income tax and levies are astronomic here, and on the rise.

The government isn't paying directly for the holidays or the cars - The government is only paying for the houses, the healthcare, subsidised bills and general living costs.

Here's a study which concluded that many families in Ireland would be better off on welfare rather than working;

//www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/many-families-better-off-on-welfare-claims-esri-report-555032.html

Interestingly, the 'think tank' later pulled the report from their website. I wonder why.

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11/07/2012 12:58:28 PM · #279

Originally posted by Spork99:

I love how the Republican sore losers are threatening to leave the US.

The funny part is that many say they're moving to Canada, or as my Canadian friend put it, the land of "universal access to healthcare, tax dollars invested in education, healthcare and social services, legalized gay marriage and abortion and a strong emphasis on multiculturalism and tolerance." All things the Republicans rant on about as being immoral and un-American.

Oldie but goodie ...

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11/07/2012 01:04:15 PM · #280

Originally posted by chazoe:

Welfare is not the answer. Welfare just perpetuates welfare ...

OK, so what do you say about a government program which says "you folks get to pay half the tax rate of these other folks."? Is that not a form of "welfare" or special treatment? Problem is, these moochers off the public dole are the richest folks in the the country, not people deperately in need.

I strongly suggest that all of you who want to cut "welfare" try to live for a month on the budget which qualifies you for food stamps, and see just how much "work" it takes just to survive.

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11/07/2012 01:20:32 PM · #281

Here we go again.

Message edited by author 2012-11-07 13:22:28.

jagar

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11/07/2012 01:21:11 PM · #282

I don't receive welfare and I never have, maybe one day I'll need it though. If they stopped handing out welfare in the country where I live right now, without hesitation I would get up and move, happiness is not an individual matter.

11/07/2012 01:28:48 PM · #283

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by chazoe:
Welfare is not the answer. Welfare just perpetuates welfare ...

OK, so what do you say about a government program which says "you folks get to pay half the tax rate of these other folks."? Is that not a form of "welfare" or special treatment? Problem is, these moochers off the public dole are the richest folks in the the country, not people deperately in need.

I strongly suggest that all of you who want to cut "welfare" try to live for a month on the budget which qualifies you for food stamps, and see just how much "work" it takes just to survive.

some safety net is acceptable and to be expected for people who find themselves in dire circumstances.

the tax rates are setup based on a percentage of income, that's fine too, no problem with asking to contribute a percentage of their earnings so the more you earn the more you pay.

the issue is that we have people paying NO income taxes, none. let me say that again. NONE. ZERO. that fine f its a small percentage but half the country??? is that not evident of a bigger problem at bay that no none seems to be addressing?

the solution isn't to take more from people who can afford it, the solution is to get people working so they make money so they start paying taxes.

i just dont understand everyone thinks its just ok to take something from someone else becuase they have more.

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11/07/2012 01:29:15 PM · #284

Originally posted by GeneralE:

The top 20% wealthiest households pay 70% of the tax burden. What would you like to see that number on the right go to?

Venser

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11/07/2012 01:35:00 PM · #285

Originally posted by chazoe:

The top 20% wealthiest households pay 70% of the tax burden. What would you like to see that number on the right go to?

Pull numbers out of your ass all you want, but please cite your source.
Here's mine from The Joint Committee on Taxation from Congress, it paints different numbers from yours. I'll trust them over you.

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11/07/2012 01:35:04 PM · #286

Originally posted by chazoe:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by chazoe:
Welfare is not the answer. Welfare just perpetuates welfare ...

OK, so what do you say about a government program which says "you folks get to pay half the tax rate of these other folks."? Is that not a form of "welfare" or special treatment? Problem is, these moochers off the public dole are the richest folks in the the country, not people deperately in need.

I strongly suggest that all of you who want to cut "welfare" try to live for a month on the budget which qualifies you for food stamps, and see just how much "work" it takes just to survive.

The top 20% wealthiest households pay 70% of the tax burden. What would you like to see that number on the right go to?

how about 100%?

Message edited by author 2012-11-07 13:45:22.

Venser

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11/07/2012 01:36:33 PM · #287

Originally posted by mike_311:

how about 100%

Read my link above before making up fictitious numbers. No wonder your country is in shambles.

11/07/2012 01:40:25 PM · #288

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by chazoe:
The top 20% wealthiest households pay 70% of the tax burden. What would you like to see that number on the right go to?

Pull numbers out of your ass all you want, but please cite your source.
Here's mine from The Joint Committee on Taxation from Congress, it paints different numbers from yours. I'll trust them over you.

//m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/10/cbo-rich-pay-outsized-share-taxes/
//www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/aug/27/lamar-smith/lamar-smith-says-top-20-percent-income-earners-pay/

There's a shit ton more.

11/07/2012 01:40:52 PM · #289

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:
how about 100%

Read my link above before making up fictitious numbers. No wonder your country is in shambles.

my reply isn't based on fictitious numbers, its merely a value that i imagine some think to be fair :)

which was a joke by the way.

Message edited by author 2012-11-07 13:45:15.

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11/07/2012 01:48:52 PM · #290

Originally posted by mike_311:

the tax rates are setup based on a percentage of income, that's fine too, no problem with asking to contribute a percentage of their earnings so the more you earn the more you pay.

Yes, but the way it's set up now, if you make your money sitting at a computer trading stocks you are taxed at half the rate than if you work for minimum wage flipping burgers or cleaning motel toilets. Essentially, you are giving government support to people who are gambling rather than working (look at the language of Wall Street and tell me it's not gambling) â�� what's the social benefit which justifies such government intervention?

You have to be pretty poor to not pay any taxes, especially since what you're referring to is income taxes â�� the poor still pay sales taxes, those with jobs pay Social Security taxes (the rich don't on any income over about $250K), those with homes pay property taxes (either directly or incorporated into their rent), etc.

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11/07/2012 01:59:39 PM · #291

im not going to doisagree with you on certain aspects of the tax code that need to be overhauled.

but i did say half they country doesn't pay INCOME taxes (federal), they do pay sales taxes, however not on food and other necessities. they also get food stamps, housing assistance, etc.

those with jobs should pay social security taxes, (since they will be claiming it some day) and since their company pays half for them.

considering social security payout is set up not based on earning potential why should the rich have to pay on more than 250K, they contribute more to not get it back? its a government sponsored retirement fund.

Message edited by author 2012-11-07 13:59:56.

Cory

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11/07/2012 02:10:27 PM · #292

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:
how about 100%

Read my link above before making up fictitious numbers. No wonder your country is in shambles.

Or perhaps the fact that we have a tax system where a "brief overview" takes 86 pages. (First paragraph in your linked document)

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11/07/2012 02:21:13 PM · #293

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

oh great and there goes the stock market....the dow is down 300 points..

Nice! I keep an eye on these dips as they're good spots to buy into my monthly investments. That way I get a little more bang for my buck when the market bounces back up the next day/week/month/year/decade.

Spork99

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11/07/2012 02:42:53 PM · #294

Originally posted by chazoe:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

I figured as much.

i have no idea to what you consider "taking from the government"

The same as you, gaining benefit from the government.

im not against it, im against the fact that these services are increasing while those contributing are decreasing. it is unsustainable.

It's not sustainable. So, do you just cut the poor huddled masses loose, knowing that by far, the bulk of them are NOT simply mooching, but genuinely in need? Or do you instead ask those who have been fortunate, who have reaped the greatest share of the bounty this country provides to pay more, knowing that they are now paying less for the privilege than they ever have?

Are jobs created by taxing the wealthy?

Jobs aren't created by the wealthy.

They're created by people who start businesses that hire people. Some might be wealthy, most are not, not by a longshot.

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11/07/2012 02:51:34 PM · #295

Originally posted by Spork99:

Jobs aren't created by the wealthy.

Now, now, some jobs are created by the wealthy ... stock traders, tax attorneys, lobbyists ....

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11/07/2012 02:51:34 PM · #296

Romney ran a campaign entirely based on fixing the budget but never provided any details as to how he was going to do it. It's amazing it was as close as it was.

yanko

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11/07/2012 02:56:32 PM · #297

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
oh great and there goes the stock market....the dow is down 300 points..

Nice! I keep an eye on these dips as they're good spots to buy into my monthly investments. That way I get a little more bang for my buck when the market bounces back up the next day/week/month/year/decade.

No sh!t. Many of the richest men in history became wealthy during a depression/recession. The Fortune 500 list is filled with companies that got started and thrived during far worse times. This is like Christmas to them. Actually it's more like Hanukkah. More days to receive presents from the government and support from those who don't know better.