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11/07/2012 10:48:04 AM · #251 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I figured as much. |
i have no idea to what you consider "taking from the government" |
The same as you, gaining benefit from the government. |
im not against it, im against the fact that these services are increasing while those contributing are decreasing. it is unsustainable. |
It's not sustainable. So, do you just cut the poor huddled masses loose, knowing that by far, the bulk of them are NOT simply mooching, but genuinely in need? Or do you instead ask those who have been fortunate, who have reaped the greatest share of the bounty this country provides to pay more, knowing that they are now paying less for the privilege than they ever have?
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11/07/2012 10:56:09 AM · #252 |
spork I have suggested before...we should have a "working welfare". If you collect a check then you have to do a service for the community. Have daycares set up to take care of the children...(run by people on welfare) that way the remaining people could go to their jobs...some of these jobs might be roadwork, repairing pipes, paperwork or what ever is needed. plus they would get on the job training so that they could go out and possibly find better jobs and get off the system entirely.
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11/07/2012 10:57:03 AM · #253 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I figured as much. |
i have no idea to what you consider "taking from the government" |
The same as you, gaining benefit from the government. |
im not against it, im against the fact that these services are increasing while those contributing are decreasing. it is unsustainable. |
It's not sustainable. So, do you just cut the poor huddled masses loose, knowing that by far, the bulk of them are NOT simply mooching, but genuinely in need? Or do you instead ask those who have been fortunate, who have reaped the greatest share of the bounty this country provides to pay more, knowing that they are now paying less for the privilege than they ever have? |
Are jobs created by taxing the wealthy? |
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11/07/2012 10:57:26 AM · #254 |
if i knew the answer i wouldn't be debating it here but redistribution just makes people resent each other and that cant be the best way to go.
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11/07/2012 11:00:32 AM · #255 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
spork I have suggested before...we should have a "working welfare". If you collect a check then you have to do a service for the community. Have daycares set up to take care of the children...(run by people on welfare) that way the remaining people could go to their jobs...some of these jobs might be roadwork, repairing pipes, paperwork or what ever is needed. plus they would get on the job training so that they could go out and possibly find better jobs and get off the system entirely. |
A lot of states already do this. NJ is one of them. You either go to school to learn a trade, or work community service jobs or go to an all day job search thing every day. I think this is fine, but, I think if they are going to make work for the state for the money, they should at least pay minimum wage, which they don't do.
eta: There is also a lifetime cap of 2 years for collecting welfare in NJ.
Message edited by author 2012-11-07 11:01:41. |
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11/07/2012 11:01:01 AM · #256 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Copied from Wikipedia
In a 2011 article, Forbes reported, "The best estimate of the cost of the 185 federal means tested welfare programs for 2010 for the federal government alone is nearly $700 billion, up a third since 2008, according to the Heritage Foundation. Counting state spending, total welfare spending for 2010 reached nearly $900 billion, up nearly one-fourth since 2008 (24.3%)".
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This is the type of stuff we need to get rid of / drastically reduce |
In the wake of the election, rethink things, look at things a different way.
do some research into corporate welfare. its time better spent. |
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11/07/2012 11:02:23 AM · #257 |
Welfare is not the answer. Welfare just perpetuates welfare, ask the inner city where there are families going on multiple generations of welfare. Ask the people in the trailer parks and cheap apartment complexes who've grown up knowing nothing but welfare and food stamps.
Creating jobs is the answer and that is certainly not done with strangling industry with regulations and taxing the wealthy. |
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11/07/2012 11:02:30 AM · #258 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I figured as much. |
i have no idea to what you consider "taking from the government" |
The same as you, gaining benefit from the government. |
im not against it, im against the fact that these services are increasing while those contributing are decreasing. it is unsustainable. |
And you thought outsourcing was a great idea? That greed you like so much sends jobs overseas and leaves you with jobless people who then need help from the gov. |
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11/07/2012 11:06:05 AM · #259 |
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11/07/2012 11:11:17 AM · #260 |
Originally posted by HCvE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I figured as much. |
i have no idea to what you consider "taking from the government" |
The same as you, gaining benefit from the government. |
im not against it, im against the fact that these services are increasing while those contributing are decreasing. it is unsustainable. |
And you thought outsourcing was a great idea? That greed you like so much sends jobs overseas and leaves you with jobless people who then need help from the gov. |
no it doesnt.
the government sends jobs overseas. if its too expensive to have the jobs here, the the government needs to figure out how to make it cheaper to keep them here or tax it so it inst cheaper.
yeah i know easier said than done, but dont blame the corporations for doing what they are supposed to do, make money.
Message edited by author 2012-11-07 11:12:45. |
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11/07/2012 11:18:03 AM · #261 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by HCvE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I figured as much. |
i have no idea to what you consider "taking from the government" |
The same as you, gaining benefit from the government. |
im not against it, im against the fact that these services are increasing while those contributing are decreasing. it is unsustainable. |
And you thought outsourcing was a great idea? That greed you like so much sends jobs overseas and leaves you with jobless people who then need help from the gov. |
no it doesnt.
the government sends jobs overseas. if its too expensive to have the jobs here, the the government needs to figure out how to make it cheaper to keep them here or tax it so it inst cheaper.
yeah i know easier said than done, but dont blame the corporations for doing what they are supposed to do, make money. |
No, lets just keep blaming poor people who are just trying to survive in a mess of a world created by corporations. Maybe we should just turn back the clock and reintroduce slave labor. That way we can give corporations an option to either use the overseas slave laborers, or our own. What a great world this is.
Message edited by author 2012-11-07 11:18:48. |
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11/07/2012 11:23:54 AM · #262 |
good god, im not blaming the poor.
when you continue to give people handouts (and base your platform on promising them) you create a dependence (and a base of future voters).
we need to stop adding to the amount of handouts and asking others to pay for them and start expecting people to work and make decisions for themselves and that starts by giving them jobs in the first place.
Message edited by author 2012-11-07 11:24:25. |
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11/07/2012 11:29:30 AM · #263 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Copied from Wikipedia
In a 2011 article, Forbes reported, "The best estimate of the cost of the 185 federal means tested welfare programs for 2010 for the federal government alone is nearly $700 billion, up a third since 2008, according to the Heritage Foundation. Counting state spending, total welfare spending for 2010 reached nearly $900 billion, up nearly one-fourth since 2008 (24.3%)".
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This is the type of stuff we need to get rid of / drastically reduce |
In the wake of the election, rethink things, look at things a different way.
do some research into corporate welfare. its time better spent. |
Don't get me wrong...I am against ALL forms of welfare. This includes corp welfare. I was against the bank bailouts (Bush)...and I was against the auto bailouts and the giving tons of money to green companies.(Obama)
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11/07/2012 11:34:40 AM · #264 |
Originally posted by toddhead:
Rant Section Please... |
I agree that is where this thread now belongs. What started out as a good willed thread by Penny to just get people to exercise their rights has turned into a nasty mess full of mean spirited ignorance. Sad. |
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11/07/2012 11:43:51 AM · #265 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Welfare is not the answer. Welfare just perpetuates welfare, ask the inner city where there are families going on multiple generations of welfare. Ask the people in the trailer parks and cheap apartment complexes who've grown up knowing nothing but welfare and food stamps.
Creating jobs is the answer and that is certainly not done with strangling industry with regulations and taxing the wealthy. |
I agree that welfare is not the only prob...The prob is bigger than just one issue. Yes we need more jobs in the US but we also need to cut out things like foreign aid to countries that don't like us.
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11/07/2012 11:49:02 AM · #266 |
oh great and there goes the stock market....the dow is down 300 points..
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11/07/2012 11:51:55 AM · #267 |
| Look on the bright side, the last good speech he gave was the inauguration in 2009, maybe he'll have another good one lined up and it'll kick-start the posters and merchandise business again? |
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11/07/2012 11:52:00 AM · #268 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
oh great and there goes the stock market....the dow is down 300 points.. |
hurry let's pass universal healthcare while we still have the money!
Message edited by author 2012-11-07 11:52:35. |
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11/07/2012 11:54:25 AM · #269 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
oh great and there goes the stock market....the dow is down 300 points.. |
hurry let's pass universal healthcare while we still have the money! |
hmmmmm
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11/07/2012 12:06:07 PM · #270 |
oh wow Puerto Rico has just opened the door to being a state. We could see a 51st state
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11/07/2012 12:08:27 PM · #271 |
| In all of this arguing about the poor... I just wonder, what do you think of when you say poor? I mean, if someone is on welfare, drives a nicer car than I do, and lives in a better house, then who is really the poor person? |
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11/07/2012 12:09:13 PM · #272 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
oh wow Puerto Rico has just opened the door to being a state. We could see a 51st state |
oh, good lets go ask our rich friends if they have more money to spare. Surely they wont mind. I mean its all in the common good right? |
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11/07/2012 12:11:48 PM · #273 |
| People on welfare in Ireland have nice houses, new cars, two holidays a year (holiday from what exactly, I don't know), free healthcare, good social life, and the more babies they make the more money they get. |
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11/07/2012 12:16:04 PM · #274 |
Originally posted by JH:
People on welfare in Ireland have nice houses, new cars, two holidays a year (holiday from what exactly, I don't know), free healthcare, good social life, and the more babies they make the more money they get. |
and everything you said is just plain WRONG!!!! It is not right for the recipients of welfare to be living at a higher level than the people struggling to pay for it. Holidays?????? really... I need to look that up that is hard to believe.
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11/07/2012 12:26:02 PM · #275 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by JH:
People on welfare in Ireland have nice houses, new cars, two holidays a year (holiday from what exactly, I don't know), free healthcare, good social life, and the more babies they make the more money they get. |
and everything you said is just plain WRONG!!!! It is not right for the recipients of welfare to be living at a higher level than the people struggling to pay for it. Holidays?????? really... I need to look that up that is hard to believe. |
Indeed. I've even heard of some poor people having extremely lucrative film careers and their own private jets and plastic surgery to make themselves more poor looking so they can get more welfare money. They all have suntans anyway but that may because near enough all of them spend most of the day lounging about outside in the sun drinking strong cider from plastic bottles. The poor and disabled are always a burden and a right pain in the arse really. Might i suggest a modest proposal? |
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