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12/07/2012 12:44:11 PM · #576

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

How about this, I throw my weight behind same-sex marriage if everybody agrees to pick one name and stick with it? :)

It's a nice offer, but the problem of multiple surnames within a family has nothing to do with whether the parents are of the same gender or not, since women won the right to retain their "maiden" name after marriage (not all that long ago), and since the rate of births by unmarried women has risen significantly over the past few decades.

But is is a curious question whether either partner in a same-sex marriage would take the other's name as has been pretty "traditional" in this country ...

PS: Be glad you don't work within the prison system, where the same individual often has several names ... ;-)

Message edited by author 2012-12-07 12:45:43.

myqyl

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12/07/2012 12:49:23 PM · #577

We could just scrap names entirely and go with numbers...

I want dibs on 24

12/07/2012 12:54:17 PM · #578

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
How about this, I throw my weight behind same-sex marriage if everybody agrees to pick one name and stick with it? :)

It's a nice offer, but the problem of multiple surnames within a family has nothing to do with whether the parents are of the same gender or not, since women won the right to retain their "maiden" name after marriage (not all that long ago), and since the rate of births by unmarried women has risen significantly over the past few decades.

But is is a curious question whether either partner in a same-sex marriage would take the other's name as has been pretty "traditional" in this country ...

PS: Be glad you don't work within the prison system, where the same individual often has several names ... ;-)

Well, it would be a start and then same-sex couples could be a good example for everybody else! Of course I'm being facetious and I really just wanted to blow off some steam about the name thing (yet more evidence that society is going to hell in a handbasket, right?). I am curious what happens in same-sex marriages. I just assume most often everybody keeps their name, but what happens when they adopt? Hypenated names are a mess and really strike me as short term thinking. I'll give a big old raspberry to whomever thought up hyphenated names.

Message edited by author 2012-12-07 12:54:45.

12/07/2012 12:54:19 PM · #579

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Let's deal with the REAL problem that all this moving away from traditional marriage has brought us...nobody has the same last name. It kills me at work because I'm frequently faced with, "you saw his brother last week" and neither sibling has the same last name (and thus it's hard for me to put them together in my head). Hyphenation is no answer because that is only a one-generation solution and leads to monstrosities like Ackermann-Giroux.

How about this, I throw my weight behind same-sex marriage if everybody agrees to pick one name and stick with it? :)

You're kidding,right? I can't tell you the exact percentage but I would venture to say that a full third of people of my generation, and the ones following, the couples have different last names.......and I'm just talking trhe straight ones. Not to mention that better than half of the second or more marriages have different last names.

12/07/2012 12:56:45 PM · #580

See above for the answer Jeb.

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12/07/2012 12:57:12 PM · #581

Originally posted by myqyl:

We could just scrap names entirely and go with numbers...

I want dibs on 24

Hmmmm ... maybe I'd take 42 ...

  NUMBER TWO: You are Number Six.

THE PRISONER: I am not a number, I am a free man!

  NUMBER TWO: Mwahahahaha ...

12/07/2012 12:58:32 PM · #582

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Personally, I think it's antiquated and sexist. First, why does the woman have to give up HER family name, and secondly, why should anyone change their last name anyway?

It's not like it's rocket science to remember two names. He's John Doe, and she's Jill Smith. Even as a couple they're still individual people, and the commitment they made to each other is about that, not what their mail reads, right?

Honestly, is this really an issue?

ETA: If they adopt, the child could keep his/her family name! Bwa-ha-ha!

Seriously, don't you mean whose name do you pick when you have a kid of your own in a straight marriage w/kids?

Message edited by author 2012-12-07 13:00:48.

12/07/2012 01:04:01 PM · #583

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

See above for the answer Jeb.

Jason, would you have taken your wife's last name, like if she was already an established physician, or something where changing her name would not have been practical?

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12/07/2012 01:06:13 PM · #584

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I'll give a big old raspberry to whomever thought up hyphenated names.

That would probably be European royalty ... if you want something really scary check out the Spanish system of conferring names -- I think in some families they'll tack on three generations-worth or something -- and then remember that the Hispanic population is the fastest growing segment ...

12/07/2012 01:11:49 PM · #585

Paul, I already deal with it. I'd say most hispanics I see have a double name, although I believe they only refer to the paternal name when speaking (at least that's what the Colombian guy living with us says).

Jeb, this is the issue with you libertarian/liberals who see no values in convention. Sure, there is nothing stopping us from taking any name we want, but there IS some societal values to a convention and sticking with it. (a concept libertarians too often forget). I mentioned a small example above. I can more easily determine who is related to whom when I see patients. There's nothing magic with a paternal or maternal lineage. The magic is in sticking with convention to allow predictable results.

In the big schemes of the world, it's a tiny problem, but today it's the pebble in my shoe.

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12/07/2012 01:22:31 PM · #586

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Paul, I already deal with it ... but today it's the pebble in my shoe.

I figured -- I was just trying to add a few grains of sand for variety ... ;-)

But a long as you're talking conventions, how about if all insurance companies used the same codes for the same diagnoses/procedures ...?

12/07/2012 01:37:04 PM · #587

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Paul, I already deal with it ... but today it's the pebble in my shoe.

I figured -- I was just trying to add a few grains of sand for variety ... ;-)

But a long as you're talking conventions, how about if all insurance companies used the same codes for the same diagnoses/procedures ...?

Don't they? There should be a convention called ICD-9 for diagnoses and there are CPT codese for procedures. They should be universal.

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12/07/2012 01:46:12 PM · #588

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Don't they? There should be a convention called ICD-9 for diagnoses and there are CPT codese for procedures. They should be universal.

Fortunately I don't have to do any billing, but I know it's a confusing pain. Maybe the codes are the same but each companies forms and reimbursements (and rates of claim denial) are different. I just remember hearing an interview not that long ago with a primary care physician in private practice who said he needed three staff members just to deal with the insurance issues.

12/07/2012 04:15:36 PM · #589

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Jeb, this is the issue with you libertarian/liberals who see no values in convention. Sure, there is nothing stopping us from taking any name we want, but there IS some societal values to a convention and sticking with it. (a concept libertarians too often forget). I mentioned a small example above. I can more easily determine who is related to whom when I see patients. There's nothing magic with a paternal or maternal lineage. The magic is in sticking with convention to allow predictable results.

I understand your point, but times change, and are ever-changing. Who would have thought when we were kids we'd be clicking a mouse and printing good images on photo paper on our desk?

I have the same name as my parents, but I'm adopted, so what's the point of that? If anything, it'd be better for me to have a surname from my biological parents from your standpoint, right? I know that's an exception, but the truth is even among families there are variations.......one friend of mine, who is 68, is the first male in his bloodline to make it past 53 in something like seven generations. Why him? I dunno......I guess the name thing just never seemed like a big deal to me growing up in the hippie generation where a third of my friends never even bothered to marry.

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12/07/2012 04:17:58 PM · #590

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

......I guess the name thing just never seemed like a big deal to me growing up in the hippie generation where a third of my friends never even bothered to marry.

At least you didn't name your kids Moon Unit and Dweezle ... ;-)

myqyl

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12/07/2012 04:21:57 PM · #591

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
......I guess the name thing just never seemed like a big deal to me growing up in the hippie generation where a third of my friends never even bothered to marry.

At least you didn't name your kids Moon Unit and Dweezle ... ;-)

I agree, I mean would it have been that hard to name them Dweezle Unit so they'd have the same last name?

12/07/2012 04:22:12 PM · #592

No, taking your adoptive parents name would be helpful to me. When your mom would come in as a patient and says, "by the way, can you refill Jebbie's albuterol while we are here?" I could easily look up Jeb Schnickelfritz knowing that I'm already seeing Eunice Schnickelfritz instead of trying to look it up but coming back to find you have a different last name.

I don't care if times are a changing. Some conventions have lasted for centuries because they work very well. Libertarians seem to have this ADHD where they only care about "what else can I do?" instead of what is already being done. If we all took different names when we married there'd be some liberatrian out there declaring that they were going to take their father's name whether we liked it or not.

Message edited by author 2012-12-07 16:23:54.

yanko

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12/07/2012 07:13:48 PM · #593

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

How about this, I throw my weight behind same-sex marriage if everybody agrees to pick one name and stick with it? :)

Sure thing, DrAchoo, a.k.a. Jason Friesen.

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12/07/2012 07:26:46 PM · #594

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

...I don't care if times are a changing.

Well now... that might explain some things.

Ray

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12/07/2012 09:31:21 PM · #595

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
......I guess the name thing just never seemed like a big deal to me growing up in the hippie generation where a third of my friends never even bothered to marry.

At least you didn't name your kids Moon Unit and Dweezle ... ;-)

I agree, I mean would it have been that hard to name them Dweezle Unit so they'd have the same last name?

Moon Unit is her "first" name; their last name (AFAIK) is Zappa, like their dad's ...

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12/08/2012 01:06:33 AM · #596

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

You're railing against people's personal choice in marriage naming conventions because it's easier for you to look up patients if they have the same last name, and it's liberal/libertarians at fault? Bwahahahahaha

RayEthier

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12/08/2012 06:14:38 AM · #597

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

... Some conventions have lasted for centuries because they work very well.

The oppression of certain religious groups, slavery, women's place in society and other similar activities also lasted for centuries, probably worked well for those not on the receiving end, but most assuredly cannot be viewed as something that was good.

I fully appreciate the fact that you did say "some conventions", but the fact remains that because some changes might be a personal inconvenience to you, it does not necessarily follow that changes ought not to be considered.

Maybe you simply need a better cross referencing mechanism on your database. :O)

Ray

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12/08/2012 07:02:49 AM · #598

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

No, taking your adoptive parents name would be helpful to me.

...but it is NOT about you Doc, it is about the other person(s).

You may want to check the history of the Grosse Ile disaster in Quebec, (1847 I believe) where hundreds of Irish orphans were adopted by French Canadian families in Quebec, many of whom were allowed to retain their Irish names.

Ray