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 08/10/2004 09:07:49 PM · #1
I am so tired of getting kicked out of peoples yards!

I "own" a house on a lake in Indiana and I like to walk along the lake. To do this I have to walk through peoples yards. Without fail as soon as I step on someone elses "property" they yell "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!" or "GET OUT OF MY YARD!".

It saddens me to hear that. All I wanted to do was walk though a yard.... I'm not even wearing a camera (Which would be understandably suspious).

I think you can own Cars, Homes, Computers, and other PERSONAL property. How can you own LAND? Who started selling LAND?

I bought a house (and the land it sits on, I guess)... but I don't think I have anymore of a right to walk on the land than any other person does. I think I BOUGHT THE RIGHT TO TAKE CARE OF THE LAND, not to prevent others from walking on it.

I'm just so tired of DECAYING OLD PEOPLE (who prolly haven't left thier lazy-boy in years) yelling at me for walking on grass. I'm not ripping out shrubs or craping in thier yard.
 08/10/2004 09:23:00 PM · #2
I presume if you have the title to the land then you own it until such a time when the government wants it back. Then they pull an imminent domain and then you can kiss your property good bye.
 08/10/2004 09:27:39 PM · #3
I guess, you're one of those beings who decay later rather than sooner?

I don't know what the law says about lake properties in the States. In Canada, no one can own land within x metres of the water line, in order to accommodate people like you and me. Unfortunately, scores of property owners build right into the water, and I am out of money to sue them all. ;-)

I used to ride my horse along the beaches, crossing one property after another, twice daily. Some were honoured by the presence of a horse in their front yard, others irritated or outraged.
08/10/2004 09:27:51 PM · #4
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
I presume if you have the title to the land then you own it until such a time when the government wants it back. Then they pull an imminent domain and then you can kiss your property good bye.


Dood, That sux. Did that happen to you?
 08/10/2004 09:28:42 PM · #5
Yeah, my neighbor has a nice pool and I should be able to use it when I want!
 08/10/2004 09:30:17 PM · #6
Originally posted by louddog:
Yeah, my neighbor has a nice pool and I should be able to use it when I want!


If you're nice and well-behaved, I'll let you use mine.
 08/10/2004 09:31:47 PM · #7
I'm nice and well-behaved...pool party at Zeus' house!
08/10/2004 09:33:06 PM · #8
In Michigan, unfortunately, people can own the beach all the way out to the water. The lake itself is public.

SOOOOO, as long as your feet are wet, you are on public property and they can't do anything.

In California, the state owns the entire beach.

I'm confused, if your house is "on" the lake, why do you have to walk through someone else's yard. Can't you just walk through yours?

Anyway, you should just pretend to be deaf and ignore them.

Message edited by author 2004-08-10 21:35:35.
 08/10/2004 09:37:02 PM · #9
Originally posted by louddog:
Yeah, my neighbor has a nice pool and I should be able to use it when I want!


The difference is POOLS were built, therefore private property. LAKES were not built (at least most of them). They are a gift to everyone from nature.
 08/10/2004 09:42:26 PM · #10
Gotcha, as long they don't build anything in their yard I can enter.

When's the pool party? Anyone know a good photographer for the event?
 08/10/2004 09:49:00 PM · #11
In Indiana, if there are boats on the lake (i.e. if the lake is navigable), then the area between the high and low water marks on the shoreline is public.

This might help: //law.utoledo.edu/ligl/spring2000/publicwater.htm
 08/10/2004 10:14:56 PM · #12
In MOST states the land between high and low water marks is deemed to be public land. But Lakes don't usually provide much in the way of tides. Along the shoreline, however its another story.
Ned Coll, an activist in Connecticut once walked the entire length of Connecticut along the shoreline. He filed complaints against people whose fences went below the high-water mark for blocking access to the public. He made a lot of people angry, and created a lot of resentment, but no one could fight him, and the "little people" cheered him on.

Ron
 08/10/2004 10:32:27 PM · #13

Joel, In Malibu beach [Southern California] you can buy a nice beach shack for five to ten million dollars and watch the hippies, druggies and beach bums have fun between your house and the water.
 08/10/2004 11:04:03 PM · #14
Man, I hate land wankers too.

Yesterday I drove out of the city looking for something neat to shoot. I stumbled on these two old building besides a river that had lots of character. I quickly noticed that the buildings seemed to be on private land, so I walked over to the nearest house to ask permission. As soon as I knocked on the door, two huge german shepperds greeted from the other side of the door with barks and teeth galore. I asked the lady that showed up a few seconds later if I could go shoot the old buildings. She told it was private land and told me she couldn't understand me because of the loud dogs (yeah, right). In other words, get lost.

Well to you too, lady ( Didn't actually do it, but mumbled it to myself).

Ruined my afternoon.

Oh well, you need an equal number of wankers out there to balance out the decent people I guess.
 08/10/2004 11:21:12 PM · #15
Originally posted by JEM:
Joel, In Malibu beach [Southern California] you can buy a nice beach shack for five to ten million dollars and watch the hippies, druggies and beach bums have fun between your house and the water.


Doing drugs while camping in someones yard is quite different. I'm just walking though it.
 08/10/2004 11:43:17 PM · #16
Some of you may not like this but...I own a house I take care of my yard, its fenced in, all except an area along the alley about 20 feet wide. I don't care who walks on that area as long as if they have a dog with them they clean up after it!!!! LOL

But open the gate to my yard and you better know the name of the dog who is gonna greet ya...it isn't my land...it's his land and if you don't know his name your gonna get chased right back out...he's the reason for the fence.
08/11/2004 12:27:29 AM · #17
Originally posted by JoelHSmith:
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
I presume if you have the title to the land then you own it until such a time when the government wants it back. Then they pull an imminent domain and then you can kiss your property good bye.


Dood, That sux. Did that happen to you?


Indirectly, yes. My dad bought some property here in California under the name of a partnership that invovles myself and my brother and sister. But CalTrans wants to build some silly freeway and they need our land. My dad had the foresight to see the importance of that property but didn't expect the freeway, I assume. Anyway, it was a very smart business move to buy it in the first place. I'll conclude by saying that they want to I.D. the land but we're fighing them tooth and nail to give us a reasonable price. :) By the way, the freeway itself isn't really silly. I was just joking as it's needed but the whole idea of what they've done so far and what they are currently doing is silly.
 08/11/2004 07:54:07 AM · #18
I'd yell at you too if you walked accoss my land without asking first. I don't think thats very unreasonable. Do you think you should be able to sit in my car too? Your view point is a little too socialistic for me to comprehend. Are you actualy complaining about being able to own/control land?
 08/11/2004 08:41:11 AM · #19
I think it depends if it's fenced in any way - if there is a clear boundary and your stepping over it then, well, you deserve to get shit.

You can let people just walk into your garden, house, car.

If however it's just open fields and not clear that it's someone's private land then well f'em :D

PS: In the UK at least, when one buys a house they are actually buying the land and sinmply get everything that's contained within it rather than buying a house and some land.


08/11/2004 08:55:34 AM · #20
Originally posted by jonpink:
PS: In the UK at least, when one buys a house they are actually buying the land and sinmply get everything that's contained within it rather than buying a house and some land.


I think that is technically the way it works in the US as well - you buy the land and the house is considered and "improvement" on that land. Everything is usually still geared around the house in the loan process though, since it usually constitutes the bulk of the value on regular size lots under a few acres.

I thought this thread (from the title) was going to be more about taxes - that even if you own a piece of land outright, you can still lose it if you don't pay your taxes on it. I don't really know much about real estate law though; is there any part of the US where you do not have to pay taxes on land? Improved or otherwise?
 08/11/2004 08:57:28 AM · #21
He's complaining about walking along the water's edge, not disturbing anything, and people throwing a fit. There's a difference between someone tearing up shit on someone else's property and someone taking a walk and going through the edge of someone's property.

Don't really see how that is socialist belief. To me it's a belief that people don't need to be grumpy wankers all the time.

Originally posted by Russell2566:
I'd yell at you too if you walked accoss my land without asking first. I don't think thats very unreasonable. Do you think you should be able to sit in my car too? Your view point is a little too socialistic for me to comprehend. Are you actualy complaining about being able to own/control land?

08/11/2004 09:13:27 AM · #22
Originally posted by cbeller:

To me it's a belief that people don't need to be grumpy wankers all the time.


That's self-evidently contrary to good c(C)onservative and republican values.

I remember Madonna didn't like it either, though she lost in the end.

Message edited by author 2004-08-11 09:20:31.
 08/11/2004 09:22:02 AM · #23
poppa don't preach

08/11/2004 09:42:12 AM · #24
All land is on leasehold from Planet Earth - the landlord will long out live the tenants! The concept of land ownership is man-made and as such will also die with man.

And that concludes today's hippie sermon. : )
 08/11/2004 09:56:37 AM · #25
In most states here in the U.S., if your neighbor consistently mows 2-feet of YOUR grass every week, without complaint or intervention, then after a period of 7 years, HE can claim that land as his own and you cannot stop his taking possession in a court of law. This is known as "adverse possession".
Similarly, if you do NOT prevent people from freely crossing your property it can become, by law, a public right-of-way. That's why many privately owned "public" areas, like the parking lot at the mall, are closed off for a very short period of time at least once a year ( usually at very odd hours, like 3-4 a.m. on Easter morning ). They are closed off to maintain the owners claim on the property, and to prevent "adverse possession" from occurring.

Ron
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