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 06/14/2011 01:53:38 AM · #101
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Okay UrfaTheGreat here is the edit I did following your steps...



Is this close enough, and is there anything you see that I may have screwed up??? I really would like to send you a 1000 thank you's... So far here is what I have learned.

1.)How to install plug-ins on GIMP (finally forced to look up how to do this to add the warming and cooling filters)
2.)How and when to use a warming and cooling filter
3.)How, when, and why to use a vignette
4.)You can dodge things that reflect light to add contrast, i.e. the faucet...
5.) How to find a vision, and why its important... Great read BTW

Thanks to MargaretN and UrfaTheGreat for there edits and input... This image may get rejected in record time, but I could care less because I have learned SOOOO much, which was really the whole point of this thread. I hope the knowledge keeps flowing... You guys are giving me and everyone else great advice!!!


Wow, great stuff! Now that's what's up!
 06/14/2011 09:16:32 AM · #102
I've posted many 800 px images on 1x because it was easier since that's what I save all my web images as. Do you think 1x rejects them because of size also? They never explain why you get rejected so it gets me thinking that hopefully it's not because of that. I know they say 900 px max.
 06/14/2011 09:22:48 AM · #103
I figure they might not reject them specifically for that, but I also know I've had many shots that have lost their wow when shrunk down to 800, 720 or 640 pixels for DPC. That additional 100 pixels can pack in a lot of extra detail. I keep pull sized edits of most of my shots anyway, so it is easy enough to go resize them to 900.

Just looked again and the limit is 950 pixels.

Message edited by author 2011-06-14 09:24:51.
 06/14/2011 03:08:35 PM · #104
As a grand sucker for punishment, would anyone care to take a gander through my portfolio to see if there is anything there that has potential for 1x? Thanks for suggesting this as a side-challenge. Perhaps with a different target, I can get to that break-through that will help on dpchallenge too...
 06/14/2011 03:19:57 PM · #105
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by MargaretN:

PS2 I confused myself in my self-critique :)
I will just wait for the reject.

Rejected, might as well give up

I don't think so! I think the editing is hurting this shot, but I don't know if / how it could be "fixed". From my perspective, the image is too soft. But it isn't the focus - things are nicely in focus. Perhaps "bland" is a better word than "soft". This "feature" of your shot has the effect of holding the viewer at arms' length - pushing them away from being able to "experience" the forest. The "fog" or "mist" is very nice, but it is too strong and needs a balancing force. Plus, this shot has a very nice "path" (area) drawing the viewer's eye in and to the right of center.
From a forest-lover, this image comes very close to capturing the experience. That should be considered a HUGE compliment. However, because it doesn't quite finish the job, I think the shot is actually generating viewer push-back - causing the viewer to have a stronger rejection of it than it deserves.
 06/14/2011 03:32:35 PM · #106
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Okay UrfaTheGreat here is the edit I did following your steps...



Is this close enough, and is there anything you see that I may have screwed up??? I really would like to send you a 1000 thank you's... So far here is what I have learned.

1.)How to install plug-ins on GIMP (finally forced to look up how to do this to add the warming and cooling filters)
2.)How and when to use a warming and cooling filter
3.)How, when, and why to use a vignette
4.)You can dodge things that reflect light to add contrast, i.e. the faucet...
5.) How to find a vision, and why its important... Great read BTW

Thanks to MargaretN and UrfaTheGreat for there edits and input... This image may get rejected in record time, but I could care less because I have learned SOOOO much, which was really the whole point of this thread. I hope the knowledge keeps flowing... You guys are giving me and everyone else great advice!!!


:D
 06/14/2011 04:35:47 PM · #107
Thinking I may have a go with one of my images... Is it free? And where on the site do I submit? (I already have an account set up and ready)
 06/14/2011 04:46:48 PM · #108
I just remembered this shot I had...


airsoft first edit by markobrutus, on Flickr

This may be over edited though... Thoughts?
 06/14/2011 04:52:32 PM · #109
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
I just remembered this shot I had...

This may be over edited though... Thoughts?


I don't know about that one being 1x material, but this other one I saw on your Flickr stream may have some potential

06/14/2011 04:54:32 PM · #110
Oh wow! Really? That was just an experimental photoshop edit. Haha! I don't see that being that good.. Maybe it is because it is my face and well... We won't get into that! haha!
 06/14/2011 07:24:55 PM · #111
Originally posted by dtremain:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by MargaretN:

PS2 I confused myself in my self-critique :)
I will just wait for the reject.

Rejected, might as well give up

I don't think so! I think the editing is hurting this shot, but I don't know if / how it could be "fixed". From my perspective, the image is too soft. But it isn't the focus - things are nicely in focus. Perhaps "bland" is a better word than "soft". This "feature" of your shot has the effect of holding the viewer at arms' length - pushing them away from being able to "experience" the forest. The "fog" or "mist" is very nice, but it is too strong and needs a balancing force. Plus, this shot has a very nice "path" (area) drawing the viewer's eye in and to the right of center.
From a forest-lover, this image comes very close to capturing the experience. That should be considered a HUGE compliment. However, because it doesn't quite finish the job, I think the shot is actually generating viewer push-back - causing the viewer to have a stronger rejection of it than it deserves.
Thanks for the feedback. I might have a go at different PP and ask for comments.
 06/14/2011 07:55:43 PM · #112
For those with more 1x experience - the old version of 1x had an option to re-submit an "improved" version of the same image. I cannot see this in the new version. Does it mean that it is OK to submit the same photo with a different PP? There is nothing about this in the rules.
 06/14/2011 08:05:55 PM · #113
Originally posted by MargaretN:
For those with more 1x experience - the old version of 1x had an option to re-submit an "improved" version of the same image. I cannot see this in the new version. Does it mean that it is OK to submit the same photo with a different PP? There is nothing about this in the rules.


The option is still there, but available only to selected photos. I did once resubmit an improved version of a photo (better processing: less noise, sharper), and it had to go through the curators again for validation.
Rejected entries don't offer the option, indeed, so I suppose nothing prevents you from entering a differently processed version as a new submission.
 06/14/2011 08:07:37 PM · #114
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
For those with more 1x experience - the old version of 1x had an option to re-submit an "improved" version of the same image. I cannot see this in the new version. Does it mean that it is OK to submit the same photo with a different PP? There is nothing about this in the rules.


The option is still there, but available only to selected photos. I did once resubmit an improved version of a photo (better processing: less noise, sharper), and it had to go through the curators again for validation.
Rejected entries don't offer the option, indeed, so I suppose nothing prevents you from entering a differently processed version as a new submission.
I'll do that, thanks!
 06/14/2011 10:37:03 PM · #115
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
For those with more 1x experience - the old version of 1x had an option to re-submit an "improved" version of the same image. I cannot see this in the new version. Does it mean that it is OK to submit the same photo with a different PP? There is nothing about this in the rules.


The option is still there, but available only to selected photos. I did once resubmit an improved version of a photo (better processing: less noise, sharper), and it had to go through the curators again for validation.
Rejected entries don't offer the option, indeed, so I suppose nothing prevents you from entering a differently processed version as a new submission.
I'll do that, thanks!


Yeah Margaret post some edits. I really like the composition and think perhaps a different edit could make the shot :)
 06/14/2011 10:50:38 PM · #116
Originally posted by dtremain:
As a grand sucker for punishment, would anyone care to take a gander through my portfolio to see if there is anything there that has potential for 1x? Thanks for suggesting this as a side-challenge. Perhaps with a different target, I can get to that break-through that will help on dpchallenge too...


Took a quick gander at your profile

I think with a little different editing this one could work



and my personal fav and what I think is the best shot at 1x would be this shot



although probably not 1x, I just wanted to point out that I think this shot is killer...



06/14/2011 10:56:00 PM · #117
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
I just remembered this shot I had...

This may be over edited though... Thoughts?


I don't know about that one being 1x material, but this other one I saw on your Flickr stream may have some potential


I agree with you on this!

mbrutus2009, I like the one you posted also but I do think it's too much processing. Did you ever see the post in this thread I posted in reply to you wondering if anything in your portfolio was 1x material? Just wondering
06/15/2011 08:49:49 AM · #118
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Originally posted by dtremain:
As a grand sucker for punishment, would anyone care to take a gander through my portfolio to see if there is anything there that has potential for 1x? Thanks for suggesting this as a side-challenge. Perhaps with a different target, I can get to that break-through that will help on dpchallenge too...


Took a quick gander at your profile


Thanks!
06/15/2011 10:44:53 AM · #119
Originally posted by Revecca:

Marko, these are two that I like from your portfolio.
I'd try for a reshoot with the first one, following the suggestions everyone gave you during the challenge to really make the image and color pop. And pretty much the same for the second one; the light is harsh. It'd be interesting to see softer light in the tree to showcase the texture and interesting appeal it's got. Also, if you are able to get it all to look 'silvery' (if that makes sense), I think it's something that 1x would go for. A reference for such effect would be the image MargaretN linked us to earlier: //1x.com/photo/42379/category/landscape/latest-additions/destiny



That's my 2 cents!


I did miss the post sorry bout that...

As for the silvery effect you said... How would I go about doing that in photoshop? And the lizard shot was done at a zoo that I am pretty far from so I don't know if I will be able to shoot that one again. If I do though, I will for sure keep in mind all the suggestions. :)

As for my cracked face image. I can't see 1x liking that... But then again it could be because I don't see it being a good image because of the fact that it is me.
 06/15/2011 10:44:53 AM · #120
For some reason my mouse has been double clicking the "post" button... Sorry about that.

Message edited by author 2011-06-15 11:06:56.
 06/15/2011 01:46:10 PM · #121
Recipe for Success - 1x

Of course, all of us remember Steve Hill (aka Pawdrix) who found a home at 1x after spending a length of time here at DPC. In an effort to assist our efforts, Steve wrote to me regarding publication on 1x. Steve has a 40% success rate for publication purely because he has the undeniable strength to place an original photographic truth directly in front of his audience. So, here are some words which we may all wish to tattoo to the process of creating our 1x portfolios:

"The simplest [recipe] is that the screeners love strong, strong, strong ...powerful compositions, with the exception of some of my work which is a tougher point to convey. The better photographers at 1x have great depth and a special bond with their work on a level that's difficult to place in a bottle. That's the problem with people at DPC trying to figure out the formula and NOT shooting with their hearts but trying to please judges and that's a recipe for failure. Screeners can smell "people pleaser" work a mile away. Technical reasons will take a backseat to what people see as my love of New Yorkers, which is the truth in just about all my shots along with the fact that a particular image probably has never been seen before... that carry's a ton of weight. In short, it's really really easy to see where DPCers are falling short, mostly in terms of taking interesting images, composition, uninspired cliches and the canned Photoshop type of toning they apply that they think has a chance but mostly lacks truth."

Here's a link to Steve's publications...not so much to intimidate our own efforts, but rather to listen to what speaks in a resounding way at 1x. Maybe then, we'll all feel inspired to convey our own unique voices in a way just as original as...

Steve Hill

P.S.
I edited the quote just a little bit to shorten it. :-)

Message edited by author 2011-06-15 18:41:57.
 06/15/2011 01:49:43 PM · #122
A shame he decided DPC was no longer for him. I like his point of view.

Hmm, I see one of his published images was his entry in "street portaiture" where I ribboned and he came in right on my tail with an HM. Might be fun to submit my own entry for rejection.


I've got so many photos I love that they can reject for me!


Message edited by author 2011-06-15 13:52:58.
 06/15/2011 01:51:02 PM · #123
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
A shame he decided DPC was no longer for him. I like his point of view.


Yes...let's not forgive him...;-)
 06/15/2011 02:36:17 PM · #124
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Recipe for Success - 1x

Of course, all of us remember Steve Hill (aka Pawdrix) who found a home at 1x after spending a length of time here at DPC. In an effort to assist our efforts, Steve wrote to me regarding publication on 1x. Steve has a 40% success rate for publication purely because he has the undeniable strength to place an original photographic truth directly in front of his audience. So, here are some words which we may all wish to tattoo to the process of creating our 1x portfolios:

"The simplest [recipe] is that the screeners love strong, strong, strong ...powerful compositions, with the exception of some of my work which is a tougher point to convey. The better photographers at 1x have great depth and a special bond with their work on a level that's difficult to place in a bottle. That's the problem with people at DPC trying to figure out the formula and NOT shooting with their hearts but trying to please judges and that's a recipe for failure. Screeners can smell "people pleaser" work a mile away. Technical reasons will take a backseat to what people see as my love of New Yorkers, which is the truth in just about all my shots along with the fact that a particular image probably has never been seen before... that carry's a ton of weight. In short, it's really really easy to see where DPCers are falling short, mostly in terms of taking interesting images, composition, uninspired cliches and the canned Photoshop type of toning they apply that they think has a chance but mostly lacks truth."

Here's a link to Steve's publications...not so much to intimidate our own efforts, but rather to listen to what speaks in a resounding way at 1x. Maybe then, we'll all feel inspired to convey our own unique voices in a way just as original as...

Steve Hill

I am really annoyed about accusing DPCers about shooting without putting their hearts into it. I believe 99% of DPCers shoot because of their LOVE of photography. Publishing on 1x is a form of recognition everyone likes but I don't believe that it is a reason for anyone to go and shoot. ALL images in this thread are personal loves of their authors. All photos I am taking I REALLY LOVE taking. There is nothing else that would get me out into a freezing morning shaking from cold just to take that one photo that is beautiful to me !!!

To me the answer is that some of the most successful photographers on 1x simply have talent. Like gyaban. He is just very talented. Loving doing something is NOT enough to be really good at it. You need to have a talent!

BUT lack of a talent does not mean we should give up on striving to improve. Trying to get our photos into 1x is a great motivator to learn new skills. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

Just my POV.
06/15/2011 02:50:14 PM · #125
Margaret...your annoyance indicates that you are listening...that's a good thing...;-)

How you interpret any of these sign posts is your choice and the best use of that passion will hopefully get published on 1x sooner rather than later!

Good Luck!

-M
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