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10/29/2010 11:43:15 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
In fact, I'd go so far as to say we'd have a healthier society, a MUCH healthier society, if every child, growing up, had to spend a couple of his/her teenage years growing, killing, slaughtering, and cooking their own food. It gives you a perspective, ya know? Just sayin'...
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You finished that post off brilliantly Rob. Great picture of the Tuna as well - that thing is freaking HUGE! I love wildlife, I love aniamls. I also love eating animals and have no problem with people who hunt animals whether it be for fun, sport, food.
Watching that video is kinda hard and the guy is obviously a complete tool - but even if it was a genuine hunt when it comes to death its seldom pretty - the cows I eat in my burgers or the pigs I eat in my bacon sandwiches (mmmmm, bacon) were probably a lot more terrified when they were being stuffed in the back of a transport, unloaded at the slaughter house and had to wait in line for their turn to be butchered - aniamls are not stupid and are probably fully aware they are in a place of death - but it will never stop me eating meat - no way. If you are a vegetarian or a vegan then good on you - it doesnt make you a better person than me, but I respect your views - just dont force me to listen to them and I wont force you to listen to mine.
If I was to be honest, I love to go out into Epping Forest or Richmond park and spend a day watching and photographing deer and being at one with nature - but you know what, I am pretty sure I would like to give hunting a go at some point in my life as well - whether it be a pheasant shoot, a fox-hunt (if they ever bring it back over here) a deer hunt, a pig poke or a kitten massacre (I made the last two up).
I daresay a large majority of the anti-hunt brigade don't live in the country and dont fully understand it. Maybe it is just a `fun thing to do`, but everyone is different and we should be tolerant of them.. Except for the Dutch.
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 11:45:55. |
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10/29/2010 12:24:24 PM · #52 |
Right. Us animal lovers don't live in the country so we can't possibly understand the fact that killing animals in 2010 is so useless an activity that we should just shut up.
Bear, that image is just as disgusting as that bear video. Of course you ate the damn thing, right. I would respect your post a lot more if you had finished it off by saying you let it go but you're just a human being out to have some fun on another living entity's back. Hey, you're human and have the right......blablabla. |
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10/29/2010 12:54:40 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Right. Us animal lovers don't live in the country so we can't possibly understand the fact that killing animals in 2010 is so useless an activity that we should just shut up.
Bear, that image is just as disgusting as that bear video. Of course you ate the damn thing, right. I would respect your post a lot more if you had finished it off by saying you let it go but you're just a human being out to have some fun on another living entity's back. Hey, you're human and have the right......blablabla. |
I would say get off your high-horse, but you would probably think horse-riding is cruel as well. Jeez, I bet you have sleepness nights from disinfecting the toilet - all those innocent germs.
Lighten up poppet. |
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10/29/2010 12:58:51 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
In fact, I'd go so far as to say we'd have a healthier society, a MUCH healthier society, if every child, growing up, had to spend a couple of his/her teenage years growing, killing, slaughtering, and cooking their own food. It gives you a perspective, ya know? Just sayin'...
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Totally agree with this. If you're going to eat it (especially if it is processed and pulped into alphabet or dinosaur shaped battered kiddy food) you should have some experience of what you are eating. They should do school trips to abattoirs i say.
I'm assuming you are vegan Jac. |
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10/29/2010 01:35:13 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Right. Us animal lovers don't live in the country so we can't possibly understand the fact that killing animals in 2010 is so useless an activity that we should just shut up.
Bear, that image is just as disgusting as that bear video. Of course you ate the damn thing, right. I would respect your post a lot more if you had finished it off by saying you let it go but you're just a human being out to have some fun on another living entity's back. Hey, you're human and have the right......blablabla. |
You haz anger? |
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10/29/2010 01:36:27 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Simms:
[quote=Bear_Music]
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Magnificent fish. Would have loved a few pieces of that fellow the day he was caught. :) |
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10/29/2010 01:57:31 PM · #57 |
there is a huge difference between hunting for survival, and killing animals for fun of inflicting pain. Humans are the worst animal. There is no excuse for what that "Country Star" and his buddies did, and please don't insult yourself by trying to justify his actions.
@robert... dont asume that killing animals as a child would make for better people. As a case in point look into all mass murderers past. They all tortured and killed animals for fun as kids...
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10/29/2010 04:37:53 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Basta:
@robert... dont asume that killing animals as a child would make for better people. As a case in point look into all mass murderers past. They all tortured and killed animals for fun as kids... |
You'll notice I did say "growing" on that list. Should have added "harvesting" to make the point clear. Just something resembling a real-world connection, is what I'm getting at; let all of us be viscerally aware of just where our food comes from, what it takes to bring it to our tables.
You can't derail that argument by telling us that psychopaths enjoyed torturing animals as kids. We're not talking about torturing animals, we're talking about making a real, honest-to-god connection with the food chain we all, collectively, depend on for our survival.
I have a lot more respect for hunters/fishermen who eat what they kill than I do for vegetarians who wear leather belts and shoes. A lot more...
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10/29/2010 05:11:35 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
[quote=Basta]
@robert... dont asume that killing animals as a child would make for better people. As a case in point look into all mass murderers past. They all tortured and killed animals for fun as kids... |
You'll notice I did say "growing" on that list. Should have added "harvesting" to make the point clear. Just something resembling a real-world connection, is what I'm getting at; let all of us be viscerally aware of just where our food comes from, what it takes to bring it to our tables.
You can't derail that argument by telling us that psychopaths enjoyed torturing animals as kids. We're not talking about torturing animals, we're talking about making a real, honest-to-god connection with the food chain we all, collectively, depend on for our survival.
I have a lot more respect for hunters/fishermen who eat what they kill than I do for vegetarians who wear leather belts and shoes. A lot more...
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I eat meat, and have a lot of vegetarian friends. What they eat is there problem. I'm pointing this out because of "vegetarian ant-hunt brigade"
So are you saying that "country star" was " harvesting" meat....or that whoever killed Exmoor Emperor was "harvesting"
What I was getting at...hunting for food is one thing...hunting to make testicular area feel larger is something different
how is pointing out obvious problem with your suggestion a "derailing an argument". you said kids should kill the animals to see what its about...
and yes, Can hunt is animal torture, se we were talking about animal torture.
Killing an animal for that "special feeling" is the borderline psychopath, next step is killing a human for that "special feeling"
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10/29/2010 05:25:17 PM · #60 |
Basta, please re-read the first paragraph in Bear's comment on 10/29/2010 @ 11:04:50 AM. He is 100% agreeing with you on the "country star" being in the wrong.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The video is revolting, no question about it. It represents an ethical wasteland. One can have no respect whatsoever for the perpetrators of that travesty. But my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted (though I don't care for that at all) but that the jackass tried to dress it all up to make himself look like some big, brave, white hunter risking life and limb to down the savage beast. The hypocrisy of it is staggering. |
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 17:25:50. |
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10/29/2010 05:49:51 PM · #61 |
yes Mike...I did... and what I see is......."my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted"
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10/29/2010 05:53:11 PM · #62 |
When I consume an animal (or animals), I always take a moment to reflect on the life they may have lived, and I thank them for their sacrifice, so that I may sit there and enjoy their tastiness. I have also hunted, in my time, and I used to cry when I field-dressed the game that I had brought down. I felt sorry for them, but I knew that their death would benefit me and my family, as a hunting license and tag were far more cost effective than feeding a family of 6 (I was a teenager, and was helping to feed my siblings and my parents, at the time) by buying beef at the store over the winter. So I felt empathy for the animal, but in the end the reality of life trumped those feelings.
People like Jac, unfortunately, merely hurt their cause more than they help it. Screaming at people and attempting to force your views on them passive aggressively is never a good idea. Trust me. I'm an expert at it :D |
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10/29/2010 05:53:11 PM · #63 |
Double post FTW.
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 17:55:22. |
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10/29/2010 05:59:37 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Basta:
yes Mike...I did... and what I see is......."my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted" |
Sadly...you forgot to include all of the text which read as follows:
"But my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted (though I don't care for that at all) but that the jackass tried to dress it all up to make himself look like some big, brave, white hunter risking life and limb to down the savage beast. The hypocrisy of it is staggering."
I have to agree with  Bear_Music, and you Sir should really ensure that when you are trying to paraphrase someone that you take the time to include all of the comment made.
Ray
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 18:00:30. |
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10/29/2010 06:02:55 PM · #65 |
Come on. Bear can defend himself.
The one on the forum, not the one in the video. |
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10/29/2010 06:07:56 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by Basta:
Humans are the worst animal. |
I find that to be a bizarre stance, I see humans doing things to save distressed animals everyday. Oh ya I forgot the sky is falling the sky is falling......is it getting warmer in here....... Sorry, end of rant |
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10/29/2010 06:08:11 PM · #67 |
Ray, Ray... maybe you should read. don't support someone just because of name recognition.
I'll sum it up....Robert does not mind they "Hunted" tame animal (you call that a hunt?)
he does not like they dressed him up.
see?....my objection is that Robert is OK with "CAN HUNT"
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Basta:
yes Mike...I did... and what I see is......."my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted" |
Sadly...you forgot to include all of the text which read as follows:
"But my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted (though I don't care for that at all) but that the jackass tried to dress it all up to make himself look like some big, brave, white hunter risking life and limb to down the savage beast. The hypocrisy of it is staggering."
I have to agree with Bear_Music, and you Sir should really ensure that when you are trying to paraphrase someone that you take the time to include all of the comment made.
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10/29/2010 06:12:15 PM · #68 |
No animal (other than human) could do what sick human mind can come up with...just look at video we are talking about...Originally posted by PapaBob:
Originally posted by Basta:
Humans are the worst animal. |
I find that to be a bizarre stance, I see humans doing things to save distressed animals everyday. Oh ya I forgot the sky is falling the sky is falling......is it getting warmer in here....... Sorry, end of rant |
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10/29/2010 06:13:07 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by apercep:
...What makes an animal "bred for food" different? is a horse bred for racing different than one bred for a ranch, or for glue?
Until we can make meat from non-animal derivatives, KILLING will be the way we eat meat. Be it in the wild or slaughterhouse. |
Horses are never ever bred only for glue, though I have heard of some European draughts being bred for meat. Sadly, however, many ex-racehorses - Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds alike - are sent to slaughter once their racing days are done. :-( It is no secret that in Japan 75% of all retired TB racehorses are eaten.
So, whenever I am working in the racing industry, I am certainly not blinkered to the eventual end most of them face. I cannot stop it, but I can and do take the best care possible of all racehorses in my care. |
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10/29/2010 06:17:33 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Basta:
Ray, Ray... maybe you should read. don't support someone just because of name recognition.
I'll sum it up....Robert does not mind they "Hunted" tame animal (you call that a hunt?)
he does not like they dressed him up.
see?....my objection is that Robert is OK with "CAN HUNT"
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Basta:
yes Mike...I did... and what I see is......."my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted" |
Sadly...you forgot to include all of the text which read as follows:
"But my objection's not so much to the fact that a tame animal was sold to be hunted (though I don't care for that at all) but that the jackass tried to dress it all up to make himself look like some big, brave, white hunter risking life and limb to down the savage beast. The hypocrisy of it is staggering."
I have to agree with Bear_Music, and you Sir should really ensure that when you are trying to paraphrase someone that you take the time to include all of the comment made.
Ray |
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I'm thinking maybe it's a problem with language barrier here. Basta, you obviously missed the "(though I don't care for that at all)". He's not saying he's ok with hunting a tame animal. He's saying he dislikes the hypocrisy MORE than he dislikes the hunt itself, although he certainly dislikes the hunt as well.
You're arguing the same stance. As as been said. People are trying to help you out here and resorting to accusations like "don't help them out because of name recognition" is only going to get you thrown into the ignore bin. |
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10/29/2010 06:21:37 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Basta:
No animal (other than human) could do what sick human mind can come up with...just look at video we are talking about...Originally posted by PapaBob:
Originally posted by Basta:
Humans are the worst animal. |
I find that to be a bizarre stance, I see humans doing things to save distressed animals everyday. Oh ya I forgot the sky is falling the sky is falling......is it getting warmer in here....... Sorry, end of rant |
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I have seen the video, it is one case of one person that did a stupid thing, there are far more people who do the right thing so painting everyone with that brush is a bit harsh. Humans will spend thousands of dollars and months rehabbing a sick animal only to return it to the wild to get eaten by another animal. What other animal will do that? Sure humans do some pretty stupid things and have done their share of damage but they are the only ones who have feeling and morals that will translate into action other than survival of the fittest. |
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10/29/2010 06:22:19 PM · #72 |
We, society, have no connection to our food. We do not equate a hen that lays eggs with the chicken in our nuggets, in our soup, or peripherally that we bake or roast with stuffing.
My dad was a kid of the great Depression and had raised and slaughtered chickens since he was 10. The ordinances in town changed, chickens weren't allowed anymore and we grew up with dads stories, but no chicken raising or killing.
Dh and I bought a small farm in SC, read about chicken raising and ethical and hopefully the least painful way of slaughter. Ha! Even though we felt what we were doing was right, we were respectful to the chickens and allowed them to range the whole farm and only kept them in the henhouse at night, and thanked the hens for their sacrifice---absolutely NO chickens died on our farm.
We are/were wimps, totally and ashamedly. Thank GOD our children have never had to depend on us for meat.
Wimps !
I really believe everyone should have to raise chickens and ethically slaughter and restore that bond between us and our food. I know since the farm, I am more aware of the meat we buy and how much is wasted has been greatly reduced. |
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10/29/2010 06:27:35 PM · #73 |
K10DGuy, english isn't my first language, not even my second...as you can tell
I respect what you say, however, Robert knows the best what he thinks. |
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10/29/2010 06:31:44 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Basta:
K10DGuy, english isn't my first language, not even my second...as you can tell
I respect what you say, however, Robert knows the best what he thinks. |
Of course he does, but he spelled out very succinctly those thoughts. We're just trying to help you understand your mistake with understanding how he voiced them. |
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10/29/2010 06:31:48 PM · #75 |
I think its absolutely ludicrous that hunting is sport. I will never understand it. I see no pleasure in killing for the sake of killing. I am not against hunting....if you are hunting for food and actually eat and benefit from the kill I see nothing wrong in that. I have hunted and fished and killed other animals for food. Where I think sport hunting is wrong is when it unnecessarily takes the life of another creature for the sake of the kill and there nothing sportsmanlike about it. Thats just sick!!! The men in the video are total trash!!!
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 18:38:16. |
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