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10/14/2010 02:56:35 PM · #1 |
Pretty much all of us have shot something only to realize the white balance was completely wrong because we forgot to change it from, say, incandescent to daylight. Yes, the results can be somewhat ghastly. But they can also be really cool and colourful. Even Auto WB can mess up a shot, though it's usually close to the actual light conditions.
So why not a challenge where you shoot, but with a deliberately incorrect WB? |
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10/14/2010 03:19:26 PM · #2 |
What editing rules would this be? I ask because it's so easy to change that in PP if you shoot RAW.
These could suit this topic, I changed the WB on both of them and the out of the ordinary WB worked well for both shots.
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10/14/2010 03:26:18 PM · #3 |
I think it would need to be minimal challenge unless it is ok to change in post.
I changed both of these in post.
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10/14/2010 03:41:22 PM · #4 |
I like the idea of a creative white balance challenge as opposed to a "wrong" white balance challenge. Its not wrong if it makes your image cool :) Not sure if it would be better to do a minimal editing challenge or just basic but either way its a cool idea. |
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10/14/2010 03:41:38 PM · #5 |
It'd have to be minimal editing. It's an excellent challenge for minimal editing. Good idea.
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10/14/2010 03:44:55 PM · #6 |
Pretty cool idea.
This shot is from my early days before I learned to just leave my WB on Cloudy. Initially I had my WB set wrong, but the first shot looked so cool I left it like that. I took this same setup later in the series with the "correct" WB for the lighting situation, and it looked like crap.
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10/14/2010 03:48:50 PM · #7 |
Of course you would have to hit people over the head with the creative usage of WB. If it works for the image, many will perceive the WB as normal for the shot. |
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10/14/2010 03:52:09 PM · #8 |
tungsten:
just as an example... |
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10/14/2010 05:09:15 PM · #9 |
Nice to see such a positive response to this one! As for rules, I'd like to see nothing more than Basic editing, so Minimal works fine for me :-) |
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10/14/2010 05:14:44 PM · #10 |
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10/14/2010 05:15:12 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by snaffles: Nice to see such a positive response to this one! As for rules, I'd like to see nothing more than Basic editing, so Minimal works fine for me :-) |
I think ONLY minimal works, because in any other editing ruleset we can take a RAW image and dial in whatever WB we want, and fine-tune it. It seems to me the thrust of the challenge ought to be to get adventuresome and be surprised?
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10/14/2010 05:23:04 PM · #12 |
This was a consequence of using the auto white balance. Since I shot in RAW I could have changed it to the proper colors, but I was pleasantly surprised by the auto result.
Ever since then, I think more about the white balance and what it could do and how it can make a photo look more dramatic.
I think the idea is a splendid one!

Message edited by author 2010-10-14 17:24:27. |
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10/14/2010 06:09:46 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music: Originally posted by snaffles: Nice to see such a positive response to this one! As for rules, I'd like to see nothing more than Basic editing, so Minimal works fine for me :-) |
I think ONLY minimal works, because in any other editing ruleset we can take a RAW image and dial in whatever WB we want, and fine-tune it. It seems to me the thrust of the challenge ought to be to get adventuresome and be surprised?
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Good point, Bear! Just wish cropping were allowed in Minimal...*deep sigh*... |
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10/14/2010 06:25:34 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by snaffles: Originally posted by Bear_Music: Originally posted by snaffles: Nice to see such a positive response to this one! As for rules, I'd like to see nothing more than Basic editing, so Minimal works fine for me :-) |
I think ONLY minimal works, because in any other editing ruleset we can take a RAW image and dial in whatever WB we want, and fine-tune it. It seems to me the thrust of the challenge ought to be to get adventuresome and be surprised?
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Good point, Bear! Just wish cropping were allowed in Minimal...*deep sigh*... |
Ask for a special rule:
"Minimal Editing, except you may rotate and crop your image as you see fit."
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10/14/2010 06:58:47 PM · #15 |
Touche, Robert! Ok Langdon, the great Bear_Music has spoken. Minimal editing but with cropping allowed. Better yet write cropping into the Minmal editing ruleset. Please? :-) |
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10/14/2010 08:02:11 PM · #16 |
One question, what about AUTO white balance? Should there be a rule not to allow AUTO but force a manual setting? |
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10/14/2010 08:05:15 PM · #17 |
You know, if you have a minimal editing rule in order to have to set WB in camera, that still allows manipulation of WB. Simply shoot the same scene with different WB settings. I am not sure if such a rule would accomplish much.
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10/14/2010 08:07:30 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by PGerst: One question, what about AUTO white balance? Should there be a rule not to allow AUTO but force a manual setting? |
Everything but auto and whatever light you're shooting in. So no daylight WB outdoors. No tungsten in doors. etc etc que sera sera what ever will be will be .... ;) |
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10/14/2010 08:11:44 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff: You know, if you have a minimal editing rule in order to have to set WB in camera, that still allows manipulation of WB. Simply shoot the same scene with different WB settings. I am not sure if such a rule would accomplish much. |
Yeah, but we all know how *little* we're usually inclined to experiment "in the field" and how *much* we are inclined to do so in post...
Look, there's always a way around whatever... But by putting these stricter rules in place for a particular challenge we at least encourage people to confront whatever on a face-to-face basis, even if not everyone ends up doing it.
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10/14/2010 08:27:24 PM · #20 |
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10/14/2010 08:47:49 PM · #21 |
In Minimal Editing you are not allowed to submit a post-processed RAW image -- you can only submit a simultaneously-captured JPEG. |
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10/14/2010 09:24:04 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: In Minimal Editing you are not allowed to submit a post-processed RAW image -- you can only submit a simultaneously-captured JPEG. |
Thanks for the reminder Paul! Now, about that cropping thang...;-) |
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10/14/2010 10:30:29 PM · #23 |
I prefer not to be able to crop or rotate. Get it right IN CAMERA :) |
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10/14/2010 10:31:39 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by snaffles: Originally posted by GeneralE: In Minimal Editing you are not allowed to submit a post-processed RAW image -- you can only submit a simultaneously-captured JPEG. |
Thanks for the reminder Paul! Now, about that cropping thang...;-) |
Fine as a special rule for this challenge, but I think it goes completely against the spirit and point of the Minimal Editing rule set to routinely allow cropping -- the whole point is to be as "straight from the camera" as possible,consistent with the format we provide for display. |
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10/14/2010 11:28:49 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: Originally posted by snaffles: Originally posted by GeneralE: In Minimal Editing you are not allowed to submit a post-processed RAW image -- you can only submit a simultaneously-captured JPEG. |
Thanks for the reminder Paul! Now, about that cropping thang...;-) |
Fine as a special rule for this challenge, but I think it goes completely against the spirit and point of the Minimal Editing rule set to routinely allow cropping -- the whole point is to be as "straight from the camera" as possible,consistent with the format we provide for display. |
Well, what she WANTS is a challenge with a special rule requiring white balance to be set in camera. Now, you can do that by appending it as a special rule to basic editing, say, but then you run into issues with people working around it in RAW, it's a mess; so you add a special rule saying, "has to be a JPG original".
Now you are starting to sound more like minimal editing, so it's simpler to append the special rule to THAT ruleset and allow rotation and cropping.
Or, of course, just do it with the straight minimal ruleset and get it right entirely in camera. There are a couple drawbacks to that approach, IMO: one of them is that a lot of us have cameras with viewfinders that don't cover 100% of the image area, and these unexpected surprises keep popping in, you can't really even SEE them in ultrawide until you blow the image up. The other drawback is that a lot of us don't have especially long glass, and we rely on cropping for our telephoto shots. So the minimal ruleset is a little limiting in those regards, and Snaffles doesn't seem to want those limits for this challenge.
But in the end, either flagged minimal or straight minimal ought to work well, for a fun challenge, IMO.
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