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10/04/2010 12:04:26 AM · #1 |
Here is Fill Flash I
I guess my question is: Is it DNMC if the flash becomes the key light and no longer is considered fill? Judging from the previous iteration of the challenge it looks like its basically just "flash" without worrying about "fill"
Message edited by author 2010-10-04 00:05:12. |
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10/04/2010 12:05:48 AM · #2 |
thank you  Citadel you were quick off there mark with this one:) |
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10/04/2010 12:09:17 AM · #3 |
| Does it have to be on-camera? I would like to use a strobist setup. |
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10/04/2010 12:10:15 AM · #4 |
"Take a photo in which a fill flash is used to enhance the subject."
I don't think it matters |
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10/04/2010 10:00:36 AM · #5 |
whats considered a fill flash?
the one on the camera?
or just any flash that fills the "subject" with light? |
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10/04/2010 10:19:39 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by hojop25:
whats considered a fill flash?
the one on the camera?
or just any flash that fills the "subject" with light? |
Afaik, fill flash is a technique to light your main subject when it is too shadowy in the current available light. For example, when it is backlit in a sunny day. On or off camera doesn't matter, though off camera often produces nicer results in my eye. |
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10/04/2010 10:25:37 AM · #7 |
Well I'd be torn on this one. I use the sun as a fill light or a hair light when I shoot with strobes. I guess though in truth that's a fill light not a fill flash.
on that note someone must take a photo of a guy named phil flashing people for this challenge. |
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10/04/2010 10:28:23 AM · #8 |
Any flash will do, it's more that it adds some light on the subject rather than completely lighting the subject only.
Often you shoot in manual with a slower shutter speed to keep the background brighter with a pop of flash to illuminate the subject |
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10/04/2010 10:29:43 AM · #9 |
Examples of Fill flash photos:
 
The tricky part is to adjust the flash so that it looks natural and the flash use is not obvious like here:
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10/04/2010 11:47:21 AM · #10 |
It's my humble opinion that "fill flash" is any use of flash to add light to the subject when it is again a bright ambient background, whether the flash is on or off camera. It doesn't matter if the photographer used it as key or not.
IMO, what constitutes "fill flash" is flash vs. strong ambient light.
Example of "fill flash" as a key light.
 
Less obvious fill:
 
This, IMO, is a DMNC, because the flash (key) is not competing with a strong ambient source.
Message edited by author 2010-10-04 11:49:49.
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10/04/2010 11:52:27 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by hojop25:
whats considered a fill flash?
the one on the camera?
or just any flash that fills the "subject" with light? |
Afaik, fill flash is a technique to light your main subject when it is too shadowy in the current available light. For example, when it is backlit in a sunny day. On or off camera doesn't matter, though off camera often produces nicer results in my eye. |
Alright thanks Christophe :D
I can probably tell your gunna win this one :-) haha |
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10/04/2010 12:30:43 PM · #12 |
Fill flash at extreme :P |
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10/04/2010 06:07:27 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
It's my humble opinion that "fill flash" is any use of flash to add light to the subject when it is again a bright ambient background, whether the flash is on or off camera. It doesn't matter if the photographer used it as key or not.
IMO, what constitutes "fill flash" is flash vs. strong ambient light.
Example of "fill flash" as a key light.
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EXCELLENT example!!
Glad you're back Leroy!
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10/06/2010 09:03:09 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by LVicari:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
It's my humble opinion that "fill flash" is any use of flash to add light to the subject when it is again a bright ambient background, whether the flash is on or off camera. It doesn't matter if the photographer used it as key or not.
IMO, what constitutes "fill flash" is flash vs. strong ambient light.
Example of "fill flash" as a key light.
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EXCELLENT example!!
Glad you're back Leroy! |
Well, thank you very much, glad to be back :)
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10/09/2010 07:03:08 AM · #15 |
| I don't own a flashgun and my camera has no in-build flash. |
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10/09/2010 07:19:07 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I don't own a flashgun and my camera has no in-build flash. |
How about a silver/gold reflector to bounce light back in to fill shade areas on subject?
Message edited by author 2010-10-09 07:19:32. |
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10/09/2010 07:37:49 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I don't own a flashgun and my camera has no in-build flash. |
How about a silver/gold reflector to bounce light back in to fill shade areas on subject? |
I thought about it too, using a mirror and sunlight, but the challenge says "Fill Flash", so we have to use a flash :-\ if you do use other fill lights, people will destroy your image and make you crazy each vote :-|
*** Shhhhh... unless, if you say nothing ;) *** |
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10/09/2010 07:52:06 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I don't own a flashgun and my camera has no in-build flash. |
How about a silver/gold reflector to bounce light back in to fill shade areas on subject? |
I thought about it too, using a mirror and sunlight, but the challenge says "Fill Flash", so we have to use a flash :-\ if you do use other fill lights, people will destroy your image and make you crazy each vote :-|
*** Shhhhh... unless, if you say nothing ;) *** |
Right! Fill light is fill light, regardless of source. It's my opinion an entry would not be DQ'd because the EXIF data says, "Flash did not fire." But, I've been wrong before. |
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10/09/2010 08:01:16 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I don't own a flashgun and my camera has no in-build flash. |
How about a silver/gold reflector to bounce light back in to fill shade areas on subject? |
I thought about it too, using a mirror and sunlight, but the challenge says "Fill Flash", so we have to use a flash :-\ if you do use other fill lights, people will destroy your image and make you crazy each vote :-|
*** Shhhhh... unless, if you say nothing ;) *** |
Right! Fill light is fill light, regardless of source. It's my opinion an entry would not be DQ'd because the EXIF data says, "Flash did not fire." But, I've been wrong before. |
Fill Light (Such as reflection of sunlight) would not be DQed but DNMCed by the voters (if they sense it was not a flash). Any challenge, regardless of the subject, we can enter any image as long as we're in editing rules. If you want to enter a photo of a "toasted sliced bread" for the Fill Flash II challenge (and not using a flash at all) you can... you'll just get low votes, not DQed :-) |
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10/09/2010 09:52:24 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Fill Light (Such as reflection of sunlight) would not be DQed but DNMCed by the voters (if they sense it was not a flash). Any challenge, regardless of the subject, we can enter any image as long as we're in editing rules. If you want to enter a photo of a "toasted sliced bread" for the Fill Flash II challenge (and not using a flash at all) you can... you'll just get low votes, not DQed :-) |
I certainly agree with you. Actually, the very best fill light adds discernible detail in the shaded areas WITHOUT leaving glaring evidence a flash was used. If done correctly, an experienced eye will be able to tell that the degree of detail in the shadows must have been accomplished with some supplemental light source. The fill flash I will fault in the challenge is the flashlight-type illumination which leaves blown out highlights and throws shadows. My measure of success with my challenge entry will be when I receive a comment saying, "No evidence of flash evident". That's my goal, since I have added detail in the shadows with a flash. But, my entry, while utilizing "out-of-the-box" thinking, is not likely to be what the voters expect, although it is a totally legitimate use of the technique. After 368 challenge entries, I'm finally getting to the point where I shoot for my own sense of accomplishment and less for what the voters might like. I don't like to receive low scores, but I do like most of my challenge submissions. |
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10/09/2010 10:47:44 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
After 368 challenge entries, I'm finally getting to the point where I shoot for my own sense of accomplishment and less for what the voters might like. I don't like to receive low scores, but I do like most of my challenge submissions. |
My goal also (although I don't have anywhere near 368 entries!). |
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10/09/2010 12:18:12 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
My measure of success with my challenge entry will be when I receive a comment saying, "No evidence of flash evident". That's my goal, since I have added detail in the shadows with a flash. |
I think you and I will be hanging out in "not prominent" land together. My own also does not hit you over the head with the flash, but there is evidence there for those looking for it. (Actually, I think that evidence of flash is a flaw, but we'll see what happens)
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10/09/2010 01:13:44 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by hahn23:
My measure of success with my challenge entry will be when I receive a comment saying, "No evidence of flash evident". That's my goal, since I have added detail in the shadows with a flash. |
I think you and I will be hanging out in "not prominent" land together. My own also does not hit you over the head with the flash, but there is evidence there for those looking for it. (Actually, I think that evidence of flash is a flaw, but we'll see what happens) |
Subtlety is a virtue in "not prominent" land. Certain to be under-appreciated, but a road less travelled, I'm sure. |
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10/09/2010 03:52:30 PM · #24 |
Is it just me, or is there not many entries for just 1 day left. I just looked and only 15 entries so far.
Course I myself am having a hard time getting a photo for this... so wondering if this is turning out to be tough for others as well.
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10/09/2010 04:21:49 PM · #25 |
| I have noticed the same thing. I just finally entered a shot I like, but it was tough to get it done correctly. I'm guessing more are finding the same thing. |
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