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06/25/2004 09:06:13 AM · #26 |
I love that he can continue to call half truths and lies a documentary. Bowling had so many of them and also so many "cut in" things that did not even go with the time table he was showing it drives me crazy. Not to mention that he did that with his first "movie" and Reagan., also.
Won't be getting any of my money.
He is a film maker, and nothing else. It is money at the top, his agenda next, and at the bottom..truth.
Not to mention that Bradbury is pissed he STOLE his title and premise.
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 09:06:51.
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06/25/2004 09:09:18 AM · #27 |
I don't think so...way back in college I had to sit through his film "Roger and Me" about 500 times in a Marketing/Management class that our professor designed around the film...I haven't seen a Michael Moore film since. ;o)
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06/25/2004 09:12:45 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
... this one is also full of lies and spin, and is clearly political in nature. ... |
how do you know it's full of lies?
the administration said the same thing without even seeing it.
and you haven't seen it. since you don't agree with the viewpoint,
you condemn it as false?
spin? well of course... it's one man's view, based on facts and
deeply injected with opinion.
sure the film is meant as an implication specifically of the Bush
family, but it doesn't go particularly easy on the left, either. At
least see a movie, read balanced reviews, review the facts yourself
and develop your OWN opinions. Skip the rhetoric from Fox "news".
Then, and only then, do you have a right to condemn something as
complete horse crap - be it a movie, a book (White House tried to do
in one of those earlier this year), or, say - a photo...
Just something to think about. I'm done ranting :) |
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06/25/2004 09:27:40 AM · #29 |
Most definitely.... The more sides of a story we see the better informed we are as voters. Everything we hear from the general media has a spin on it. It's amazing we aren't all flung off the globe by the pull of the spin from what the White House says!
I'm amazed that so many people refuse to see something because it doesn't fit their idea of what is correct/true or fit's into ther ideology... Closed minds are dangerous.
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06/25/2004 09:28:02 AM · #30 |
because he lies in his other movies...based (very loosely) on facts, like his other films...Micheal Moore is horse crap, ask ANY politician...they RUN from him, because they know he will just twist (ummmm...spin) whatever is said or done into something that it didn't really mean.
The Dems personal, free lance spin doctor.
And I just don't like him or anything he does. to me seeing it and paying for it only supports him. If it is a documentary, how come it is not on PBS, instead of paying $8 for it?
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06/25/2004 09:37:38 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Not to mention that Bradbury is pissed he STOLE his title and premise. |
As much respect as I have for Mr. Bradbury as an author, he should be well aware by now that US Copyright law does not include titles (nor ideas).
Also, if he thinks 451 = 9-11 I want to refer him to a good accountant ...
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 09:38:37. |
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06/25/2004 09:40:26 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Wow pretty sensational, but what does this statement really mean? This is exactly what I mean about spin to fit your agenda. The statement alludes to something devious and bad, when in fact it says nothing.
So what if Bush has business connections with the arab world? What does this REALLY mean? And so what if the Bush family has ties with the Bin Laden family? Is this supposed to mean that Bush and Bin Laden both planned 9-11, or is supposed to simply SUGGEST THIS without any proof at all? The statement is bogus because there is no supporting facts given, just a suggestion that something wrong was done. |
Absolutely true. Very much like pointing out the links between Al-Queda and Iraq but never coming out and joining the dots with any actual evidence beyond having talked. All very karmic...
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06/25/2004 09:52:26 AM · #33 |
its funny that so many people in america (and anywhere else i suppose) think they know what is going on with their government. I don't think there are many (if any) governments that the public can honestly say they know what they are doing or why.
The best way is to see all sides and try to make a decision yourself from multiple sources. Difficult i know but how often does some information appear that the government doesn't want to be seen? Fairly often. Check out multiple news sources for interesting differences in stories. Are you sure you can trust your governments views?
What was it i saw on Reuters the other day? Something a long the line of if america is declared 'at war' bush can authorize torture, as his lawyers found a way around the geneva convention and international torture laws. The West is getting madder, its time to leave. |
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06/25/2004 10:07:23 AM · #34 |
If it's in a movie it has to be true! Right?
I go to movies to be entertained. I read to keep up on politics. I don't think I need to see someone's slanted twist on today's politics. From what I've heard the movie is nothing but Bush bashing and conspiricy theories, and being a movie, none of it has to be true. I can talk to my Dad and get that. I have my own mind and I'll make my own decision. I'll save my movie money to go see something that will entertain me. There are plenty of free sources for enjoying Bush bashing. |
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06/25/2004 10:18:46 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
The Dems personal, free lance spin doctor.
And I just don't like him or anything he does. to me seeing it and paying for it only supports him. |
The democrats don't like him much more than the republicans... why? because he goes after BOTH of them and is neither. Not to say he's not a lefty... and not to defend him and his work...
Your last sentence up there qualifies as one of the best reasons I've heard for not going to see the movie. It's honest and doesn't rely on presumptions about a movie you haven't seen.
works for me.
i leave this heated discussion alone now. been in too many long, drawn out discussions where nobody ever realizes anything new because they're too closed-minded to consider another viewpoint or consider facts that don't agree with their world-view... |
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06/25/2004 10:33:10 AM · #36 |
I'm not saying that everyone should go stand in line to see this movie right away, I won't, but if you have any claim to open-mindedness you must pay it some attention. Think a little bit about the questions it raises, and don't form a conclusion based on pre-release hype. It is destined to be an important statement in the debate leading to this November's election, and likely influential in how history judges Geo. W.'s legacy. Even if you have been told it is leftist propaganda and filled with half truths, you can't dismiss it summarily and still pretend to be objective in your political views.
"Thirdly, I'll watch the movie when it's free (like on HBO) - I can't justify giving my hard earned money to such a questionable venture."
Not intending to single out the writer of this comment but when did HBO become free? We Americans have become a very accepting people if we can be trained to think of premium cable service as free. What does that say about us? Does it perhaps point out something about why there are people in this world who hate us so much that they resort to the violence of terrorism? |
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06/25/2004 10:37:29 AM · #37 |
I think the purpose of the film, from what I've heard, is to ask questions about certain facts that should raise some "eyebrows." For instance, why all people in the US were grounded from flying following the 9/11 attacks, except for the Bin Ladin family...or what the relationship of the Taliban was to the Bush administration was prior to the WTC attacks and why they were in Houston a month before.
I think Moore, if anything, is trying to get the public to start thinking and questioning, and not accepting everything that is fed to them from the media corporate giants. |
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06/25/2004 10:42:57 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
"Thirdly, I'll watch the movie when it's free (like on HBO) - I can't justify giving my hard earned money to such a questionable venture."
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What is questionable about this venture? Have other media sources asked the questions that Michael Moore is?
By stating that it's questionable before having seen it maybe you aren't so openminded yourself and have been influenced already by those in the media who've already stated its leftist propaganda filled with half truths. |
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06/25/2004 10:50:35 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by coolhar:
"Thirdly, I'll watch the movie when it's free (like on HBO) - I can't justify giving my hard earned money to such a questionable venture."
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What is questionable about this venture? Have other media sources asked the questions that Michael Moore is?
By stating that it's questionable before having seen it maybe you aren't so openminded yourself and have been influenced already by those in the media who've already stated its leftist propaganda filled with half truths. |
Well - it couldn't be called 'fair and balanced' that's already been trademarked...
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06/25/2004 10:59:39 AM · #40 |
You've missed my point. I didn't call the movie a questionable venture. That was a quote from an earlier post in this thread without mentioning who was being quoted.
What do you think it says about us if we have come to think of premium cable service as a "free" medium? |
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06/25/2004 11:06:03 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
You've missed my point. I didn't call the movie a questionable venture. That was a quote from an earlier post in this thread without mentioning who was being quoted.
What do you think it says about us if we have come to think of premium cable service as a "free" medium? |
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Sorry, Coolhar, I missed understood. |
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06/25/2004 11:08:33 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Wow pretty sensational, but what does this statement really mean? This is exactly what I mean about spin to fit your agenda. The statement alludes to something devious and bad, when in fact it says nothing.
So what if Bush has business connections with the arab world? What does this REALLY mean? And so what if the Bush family has ties with the Bin Laden family? Is this supposed to mean that Bush and Bin Laden both planned 9-11, or is supposed to simply SUGGEST THIS without any proof at all? The statement is bogus because there is no supporting facts given, just a suggestion that something wrong was done. |
Absolutely true. Very much like pointing out the links between Al-Queda and Iraq but never coming out and joining the dots with any actual evidence beyond having talked. All very karmic... |
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Excellent point!
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06/25/2004 11:19:11 AM · #43 |
| Saw it last night and I thoroughly recommend it. If you think it's full of lies but you haven't actually seen it, then stop arguing right now, go see it and form your own opinion, and then come back to the forum! |
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06/25/2004 11:31:28 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by magnus:
Saw it last night and I thoroughly recommend it. If you think it's full of lies but you haven't actually seen it, then stop arguing right now, go see it and form your own opinion, and then come back to the forum! |
I've not seen the movie and I've come back to the forum:P The movie just doesn't appeal to me nor does Michael Moore. I'm going to see Dodgeball a True Underdog Story. |
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06/25/2004 01:47:17 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
I've not seen the movie and I've come back to the forum:P The movie just doesn't appeal to me nor does Michael Moore. I'm going to see Dodgeball a True Underdog Story. |
That statement says so much. |
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06/25/2004 01:49:25 PM · #46 |
| I refuse to even consider seeing this movie because to do so would support that idiot Michael Moore!!! |
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06/25/2004 01:59:07 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
I refuse to even consider seeing this movie because to do so would support that idiot Michael Moore!!! |
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What do you find idiotic about him? |
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06/25/2004 02:11:32 PM · #48 |
Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man
Available in just 4 days. Should be a good read judging by the description. |
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06/25/2004 02:52:57 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
That'd be the film that points out the Bush family's business connections within the arab world, including to the family of Osama Bin Laden, and criticeses Bush's manipulation of the media post 9-11 to further his own agenda.... |
Wow pretty sensational, but what does this statement really mean? This is exactly what I mean about spin to fit your agenda. The statement alludes to something devious and bad, when in fact it says nothing.
So what if Bush has business connections with the arab world? What does this REALLY mean? And so what if the Bush family has ties with the Bin Laden family? Is this supposed to mean that Bush and Bin Laden both planned 9-11, or is supposed to simply SUGGEST THIS without any proof at all? The statement is bogus because there is no supporting facts given, just a suggestion that something wrong was done.
And watching the movie won't shed any light on it either, because it's purely a propoganda leftist film.
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
And why has Disney gotten involved? Because they're afraid that Jeb Bush - that'd be George's brother who also happens to be governor of Florida - will repeal the tax breaks they receive on their Florida operations, including the Disney World theme park. |
Prove it. Maybe Disney just doesn't like lefty propaganda, have you ever considered that? I guess the big right wing conspiracy thing is much more marketable?
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
Following the chain here? Moore makes a film criticising the president. President's brother leans on Michael Eisner. Eisner squelches film. This is brutal, absolutely brutal, and should not be tolerated regardless of your political leanings. |
Yeah I follow the chain, and it comes from liberals making movies which are full of lies and propoganda, are called documentaries when they are really 2 hour campaign ads for their own party, and people will go see it thinking they are getting objective information when they really are not.
I follow the chain alright. :) |
I'm new to the whole political wargame thing, so maybe you could -- what are the facts backing up your claims that this movie/documentary/campaign commercial thing is "full of lies and propoganda"?
I myself am only interested in facts, regardless of where they come from, so please school me a bit.
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06/25/2004 02:59:36 PM · #50 |
I think the movie is dangerous because a lot of people will go see it and believe everything in it for fact without questioning it. There are a lot of stupid people out there.
It's a interesting revalation. Can a movie have an effect on a presidiential election? What does it say about our society if hollywood can sway a vote? Will we be seeing this type of thing every election now?
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