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07/15/2010 06:24:20 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by albc28:
Photoshop madness needs to stop |
This has been my mantra for over ten years. ...well not mine exactly, but one of the voices in my head.
I say: Give the people what they want and charge them up the a$$ for it. |
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07/15/2010 06:25:54 PM · #27 |
The last goal on my profile aims is profit. Until I begin to approach that I don't think I can appreciate what ye're talking about.
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07/15/2010 06:28:27 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by albc28:
Photoshop madness needs to stop |
This has been my mantra for over ten years. ...well not mine exactly, but one of the voices in my head.
I say: Give the people what they want and charge them up the a$$ for it. |
Is there where Godzilla started? Lots of requests for it? :) |
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07/15/2010 06:41:54 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Photography begins and ends with the release of the shutter. Everything else is... well, something else.
Hope that helps. |
Without the something else the photo would still be in the camera and no one gets to see it, I think I need the something else..... Some times I like a lot of something else some times only a little will hold me over! |
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07/15/2010 06:45:15 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Photography begins and ends with the release of the shutter. Everything else is... well, something else. |
Really? What do you see when you look at the sensor (undeveloped film) after clicking the shutter? |
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07/15/2010 06:45:48 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by albc28:
Photoshop madness needs to stop |
This has been my mantra for over ten years. ...well not mine exactly, but one of the voices in my head.
I say: Give the people what they want and charge them up the a$$ for it. |
Is there where Godzilla started? Lots of requests for it? :) |
I don't know about requests, but there is demand. Of course it is always me demanding to Zillafy a photo and so far nobody wants to pay me for it. |
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07/15/2010 06:50:33 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by bvy:
Photography begins and ends with the release of the shutter. Everything else is... well, something else. |
Really? What do you see when you look at the sensor (undeveloped film) after clicking the shutter? |
He can not open the camera that would be part of something else..... |
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07/15/2010 06:52:12 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by bvy:
Photography begins and ends with the release of the shutter. Everything else is... well, something else. |
Really? What do you see when you look at the sensor (undeveloped film) after clicking the shutter? |
Something else.
ETA: So easy to rattle cages here. That was really meant for Jeb, but he didn't even bite.
Message edited by author 2010-07-15 19:00:49. |
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07/15/2010 06:56:49 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Of course it is always me demanding to Zillafy a photo and so far nobody wants to pay me for it. |
It's for the glory and attention. |
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07/15/2010 07:06:12 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by bvy:
That was really meant for Jeb, but he didn't even bite. |
Oh, really? I suggest you refresh your familiarity with Forum Rule #12 before posting any more self-incriminating comments. :-) |
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07/15/2010 07:27:49 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by albc28:
Photoshop madness needs to stop |
This has been my mantra for over ten years. ...well not mine exactly, but one of the voices in my head.
I say: Give the people what they want and charge them up the a$$ for it. |
Is there where Godzilla started? Lots of requests for it? :) |
I don't know about requests, but there is demand. Of course it is always me demanding to Zillafy a photo and so far nobody wants to pay me for it. |
That's not true. I distinctly remember paying you in gum.
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07/15/2010 07:30:30 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by albc28:
Photoshop madness needs to stop |
This has been my mantra for over ten years. ...well not mine exactly, but one of the voices in my head.
I say: Give the people what they want and charge them up the a$$ for it. |
Is there where Godzilla started? Lots of requests for it? :) |
I don't know about requests, but there is demand. Of course it is always me demanding to Zillafy a photo and so far nobody wants to pay me for it. |
That's not true. I distinctly remember paying you in gum. |
DOUBLE LOL!
Nice... |
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07/15/2010 08:12:48 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Trumpeteer4:
Originally posted by albc28:
Can we pull together to stop the photoshop madness? I'm not talking about photographers who like to photoshop the hell out of photos. If that is what you do, then by all means feel free to do so.
NO, I'm talking about consumers who assume that we can photoshop anything. I'm getting sick of hearing the "you can just photoshop it." No I can't. My job is to take a good photo and use photoshop to enhance the photo. Bad photos go in the trash. Photos are going to look very realistic and reflect what the camera sees. So constantly here "I have fat arms so you have to photoshop that", "my belly is big, but you can just photoshop it smaller", "I'm missing an arm but you can just photoshop me a new one", "the kids [dogs, cats,etc] won't sit still, but you should be able to photoshop them so they look like they are sitting".
How about instead of telling me to photoshop all this crap, you get in the gym or train your pets?
People need to stop assuming that we can photoshop everything. If I could do all that, what do I need them there for at all...I can just draw a photo and photoshop it to look like them. I don't know what it is...I'm guess i'm just starting to get annoyed with what people are telling me that I can photoshop....not asking me if i can, but telling me that I can do it. And when I tell them I can't they ignore it and tell me more crap that I can photoshop.
And this is not aimed at a particular person and threw out random scenarios so that it doesn't reflect any particular person or group of people. |
I always like to say in situations like these, "I'm a photographer, not a magician." |
I like to say "Sure -- talented retouching artists get about $120/hour, and your picture shouldn't take more than two or three ..."
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On a side note, I did end up getting $150 for this edit. I wish I could find the original as it was extreme, she had severe acne, a huge frown, etc & so forth... 
Actually, she kind of looked like this before...  |
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07/15/2010 08:16:13 PM · #39 |
| now that you meantioned frown i can see the joker lips. |
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07/15/2010 08:17:40 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by bvy:
That was really meant for Jeb, but he didn't even bite. |
Oh, really? |
No. Not really. I said it and I believe it. At the risk of (further?) breaking Rule #12, let me suggest that Photoshop is a craft in and of itself. It's not photography. It's something else.
Message edited by author 2010-07-15 20:17:59. |
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07/15/2010 08:20:06 PM · #41 |
| Please post an example of what you consider "photography" ... without doing "something else" to it first, please. |
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07/15/2010 08:37:27 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Please post an example of what you consider "photography" ... without doing "something else" to it first, please. |
I don't understand where this is going. I didn't say that the "something else" wasn't necessary. Obviously, I have to use Photoshop (PSP for me) to get my shots from the camera to the web. But I can outsource that task to a monkey.
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07/15/2010 08:46:30 PM · #43 |
| If it's "necessary" to the process, then how can you say it's not an integral part of the process? If "something" is required to make an image "written with light" visible, then it is part of "photography" and not "something else." |
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07/15/2010 08:47:53 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If it's "necessary" to the process, then how can you say it's not an integral part of the process? If "something" is required to make an image "written with light" visible, then it is part of "photography" and not "something else." |
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? |
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07/15/2010 08:53:15 PM · #45 |
| If a man says something and there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong? ;-) |
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07/15/2010 08:56:18 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If a man says something and there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong? ;-) |
YES!
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07/15/2010 09:07:28 PM · #47 |
To the OP's original point (trying to stay on topic!), his time is better spent taking honest-to-God photographs of his subjects, not manipulating them in Photoshop. A digital artist, who need not ever have picked up a camera, could handle this task. It's not photography; it's something else.
And the man is always wrong. Just ask my wife. |
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07/15/2010 11:58:42 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by bvy:
To the OP's original point (trying to stay on topic!), his time is better spent taking honest-to-God photographs of his subjects, not manipulating them in Photoshop. A digital artist, who need not ever have picked up a camera, could handle this task. It's not photography; it's something else. |
Okay......with the advent of digital imaging and PhotoShop, with a little practice, time, and knowledge, I am able to recreate what I see in my mind's eye onto paper/screen. I know I have to have good RAW material (Pun intended) to work with. Since I am not done with my creation 'til I hit "Save as, or Print....", what does that make me by your definition? Genuinely curious.
Originally posted by bvy:
And the man is always wrong. Just ask my wife. |
When you met her, you knew she was Miss Right. And soon you learned that her first name was Always.
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07/21/2010 03:49:21 PM · #49 |
| You should suggest they go online and learn it for themselves. Donnie has some great tutorials here. |
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