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05/30/2010 04:05:41 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by aliqui:
I feel that to meet the challenge, the composition should really work both ways. Many would clearly not look right compositionally if the "subject" were in focus. I typically knocked off a point or two for those instances. |
So those missing points are only awarded to images where the composition would work if the photograph did NOT meet the challenge? In your voting are any points reserved for those that used the misfocused blur AS part of the composition? My high scores were often images where, without the missed focus it was not a great image, but the addition of the blur shifts the way one sees the composition. They use the blur to created a drama, that would be lacking if you imagined this central point of the challenge away before you voted. |
The challenge was "Missed Focus", so that to me means that the photographer would be composing for the subject, but missed their intended focal point. That's not to say that all such accidents work. In my eyes there still needed to be a significance or deeper meaning for the photographer to have kept the photo. There were some photos entered where I could not envision the photographer intending the subject to be in focus and to have "missed" their focus. I'm not sure I'm explaining it well, but I think we're both looking for similar images to score high.
Here's an old example from my portfolio. My intent at the time was to have the bee in focus, but clearly missed my focal point. Upon reviewing the photo later I really liked it the way it was. Him being out of focus added to the photo and made it more interesting than just an in focus bee sitting on a flower.
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05/30/2010 04:15:59 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by aliqui:
I feel that to meet the challenge, the composition should really work both ways. Many would clearly not look right compositionally if the "subject" were in focus. I typically knocked off a point or two for those instances. |
So those missing points are only awarded to images where the composition would work if the photograph did NOT meet the challenge? In your voting are any points reserved for those that used the misfocused blur AS part of the composition? My high scores were often images where, without the missed focus it was not a great image, but the addition of the blur shifts the way one sees the composition. They use the blur to created a drama, that would be lacking if you imagined this central point of the challenge away before you voted. |
The challenge was "Missed Focus", so that to me means that the photographer would be composing for the subject, but missed their intended focal point. That's not to say that all such accidents work. In my eyes there still needed to be a significance or deeper meaning for the photographer to have kept the photo. There were some photos entered where I could not envision the photographer intending the subject to be in focus and to have "missed" their focus. I'm not sure I'm explaining it well, but I think we're both looking for similar images to score high.
Here's an old example from my portfolio. My intent at the time was to have the bee in focus, but clearly missed my focal point. Upon reviewing the photo later I really liked it the way it was. Him being out of focus added to the photo and made it more interesting than just an in focus bee sitting on a flower.
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If you're just looking at the challenge title then sure, however, the description indicates that the main subject or the entire photo should be out of focus. This implies intent rather than accident. |
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05/30/2010 04:38:03 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by aliqui:
I feel that to meet the challenge, the composition should really work both ways. Many would clearly not look right compositionally if the "subject" were in focus. I typically knocked off a point or two for those instances. |
So those missing points are only awarded to images where the composition would work if the photograph did NOT meet the challenge? In your voting are any points reserved for those that used the misfocused blur AS part of the composition? My high scores were often images where, without the missed focus it was not a great image, but the addition of the blur shifts the way one sees the composition. They use the blur to created a drama, that would be lacking if you imagined this central point of the challenge away before you voted. |
The challenge was "Missed Focus", so that to me means that the photographer would be composing for the subject, but missed their intended focal point. That's not to say that all such accidents work. In my eyes there still needed to be a significance or deeper meaning for the photographer to have kept the photo. There were some photos entered where I could not envision the photographer intending the subject to be in focus and to have "missed" their focus. I'm not sure I'm explaining it well, but I think we're both looking for similar images to score high.
Here's an old example from my portfolio. My intent at the time was to have the bee in focus, but clearly missed my focal point. Upon reviewing the photo later I really liked it the way it was. Him being out of focus added to the photo and made it more interesting than just an in focus bee sitting on a flower.
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If you're just looking at the challenge title then sure, however, the description indicates that the main subject or the entire photo should be out of focus. This implies intent rather than accident. |
You can't ignore the challenge title either. I read and understood both. (I can't believe I've been suckered into one of these debates!) I'm not saying the photographer should have coincidentally gone out and accidentally missed their focus during the week of shooting. My challenge entry for this challenge was completely on purpose, but I've got a second version of it in focus that works too. It's believable that I might have accidentally missed my focus.
These kinds of debates are really difficult without being able to post example photos. In fact I normally ignore threads with these debates... |
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05/30/2010 04:59:38 PM · #29 |
After re-reading the title and description, it does look like it is "both".
To me, "missed focus" means...."oh crap...I can't believe I didn't have that in focus"
Let's say you are waiting for an Egret to spear a fish. You wait, wait, wait...Egret goes for it...you snap..you put the shot on your computer and see that his beak and fish are out of focus while his body or the log he is standing on is in focus....YOU MISSED FOCUS.
What I mean from my first post is...if this missed focus shot would have been an 8 with perfect focus...then I give it a 9 now. This is because it would have been near perfect if it was in focus but then I up it one point for use of the missed focus aspect.
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by aliqui:
I feel that to meet the challenge, the composition should really work both ways. Many would clearly not look right compositionally if the "subject" were in focus. I typically knocked off a point or two for those instances. |
So those missing points are only awarded to images where the composition would work if the photograph did NOT meet the challenge? In your voting are any points reserved for those that used the misfocused blur AS part of the composition? My high scores were often images where, without the missed focus it was not a great image, but the addition of the blur shifts the way one sees the composition. They use the blur to created a drama, that would be lacking if you imagined this central point of the challenge away before you voted. |
The challenge was "Missed Focus", so that to me means that the photographer would be composing for the subject, but missed their intended focal point. That's not to say that all such accidents work. In my eyes there still needed to be a significance or deeper meaning for the photographer to have kept the photo. There were some photos entered where I could not envision the photographer intending the subject to be in focus and to have "missed" their focus. I'm not sure I'm explaining it well, but I think we're both looking for similar images to score high.
Here's an old example from my portfolio. My intent at the time was to have the bee in focus, but clearly missed my focal point. Upon reviewing the photo later I really liked it the way it was. Him being out of focus added to the photo and made it more interesting than just an in focus bee sitting on a flower.
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If you're just looking at the challenge title then sure, however, the description indicates that the main subject or the entire photo should be out of focus. This implies intent rather than accident. |
You can't ignore the challenge title either. I read and understood both. (I can't believe I've been suckered into one of these debates!) I'm not saying the photographer should have coincidentally gone out and accidentally missed their focus during the week of shooting. My challenge entry for this challenge was completely on purpose, but I've got a second version of it in focus that works too. It's believable that I might have accidentally missed my focus.
These kinds of debates are really difficult without being able to post example photos. In fact I normally ignore threads with these debates... |
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05/30/2010 05:17:30 PM · #30 |
| It is NOT both. The first sentence in the description should disabuse anyone of the notion that the challenge is to consist of simply goofed shots. (Complexly goofed shots are another thing entirely). I think the title of the challenge IS misleading. There. Everybody wrong but me. |
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05/30/2010 05:36:19 PM · #31 |
| I just think Langdon is asking for an out of focused main subject in a relatively pleasing or desireable photo |
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05/30/2010 06:08:38 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
I just think Langdon is asking for an out of focused main subject in a relatively pleasing or desireable photo |
Langdon doesn't make up the challenges. They are suggestions from the community at large.
But, yes, I agree with your interpretation.
Message edited by author 2010-05-30 18:09:17. |
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05/30/2010 06:14:53 PM · #33 |
| I think the definition was left fuzzy to allow people to be creative but as always the voters can not allow that! |
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05/30/2010 06:23:10 PM · #34 |
| I don't know why I feel the need to defend my votes, but I'd just like to point out that my final average vote was still over 6. The most a photo dropped was maybe 2 points. One particular photo that I felt didn't meet the spirit of the challenge got a 7 rather than a 9 or 10. |
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05/30/2010 06:39:53 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
I just think Langdon is asking for an out of focused main subject in a relatively pleasing or desireable photo |
Langdon doesn't make up the challenges. They are suggestions from the community at large.
But, yes, I agree with your interpretation. |
Sorry...lol.. I am a newbie and I really don't care if you agree with my interpretation...it is what it is...it's Langdon's site...he makes the rules...lol |
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05/30/2010 06:45:04 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
I just think Langdon is asking for an out of focused main subject in a relatively pleasing or desireable photo |
Langdon doesn't make up the challenges. They are suggestions from the community at large.
But, yes, I agree with your interpretation. |
Sorry...lol.. I am a newbie and I really don't care if you agree with my interpretation...it is what it is...it's Langdon's site...he makes the rules...lol |
Newbie? You've been here longer than I have. LOL |
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05/30/2010 06:53:48 PM · #37 |
| This is hilarious with 5 hours of voting to go we still have people debating their interpretation of the challenge, get over it! vote how ever you feel!! it's your vote no-one else can tell you how to vote. |
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05/30/2010 07:23:27 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Sorry...lol.. I am a newbie and I really don't care if you agree with my interpretation...it is what it is...it's Langdon's site...he makes the rules...lol |
Newbie? You've been here longer than I have. LOL |
He's almost been here longer than Langdon has...
Message edited by author 2010-05-30 19:24:04. |
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05/30/2010 07:33:11 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Sorry...lol.. I am a newbie and I really don't care if you agree with my interpretation...it is what it is...it's Langdon's site...he makes the rules...lol |
Newbie? You've been here longer than I have. LOL |
He's almost been here longer than Langdon has... |
Back when he started his camera used a 3.5 floppy |
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05/30/2010 07:40:28 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Back when he started his camera used a 3.5 floppy |
Mine had a monkey with a crayon inside. It was the inspiration for chimping. |
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05/30/2010 07:57:07 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Back when he started his camera used a 3.5 floppy |
Mine had a monkey with a crayon inside. It was the inspiration for chimping. |
I always wanted a monkey... |
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05/30/2010 08:55:51 PM · #42 |
The thing that gets me is all the photos that are motion blur with the thing in motion being in focus...??? How does that even remotely meet challenge?
Other then that, as long as something is out of focus I vote like I normally do.
Oh and my interpretation FWIW is using OOF to further your image. On purpose ;D |
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05/30/2010 08:59:03 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by tehben:
my interpretation FWIW is using OOF to further your image. On purpose ;D |
If it's on purpose, then you didn't miss. DNMC everybody! ;-P |
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05/30/2010 09:04:59 PM · #44 |
You have rated 265 of 273 images (97%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 25 images (9%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.1170.
Yes it was hard but worth it. The few that I voted down for what I thought was not meeting the challenge (mostly if the oof was entirely due to motion blur), I commented on. The ones I thought were excellent (including some totally oof and some funny misses) also got comments.
My vote count is still at 112
Message edited by author 2010-05-30 21:07:57. |
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05/30/2010 09:05:11 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by tehben:
my interpretation FWIW is using OOF to further your image. On purpose ;D |
If it's on purpose, then you didn't miss. DNMC everybody! ;-P |
Description of challenge: "In some cases, having your subject be out of focus is desirable. Take a photo in which your main subject, at least, is out of focus. Other parts of your image may or may not be in focus."
Titles can be misleading....
Message edited by author 2010-05-30 21:06:21. |
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05/30/2010 10:21:53 PM · #46 |
after comments and bumping:
Stats: You have rated 264 of 273 images (97%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 39 images (14%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.2008.
Instead of ribbons, I'm doing a mini photo essay. |
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05/30/2010 10:38:34 PM · #47 |
Answering to the subject line, yes, it was fun. I only intended to vote 20% and ended up doing the whole damn thing. There's a lot to like in this challenge.
You have rated 264 of 273 images (97%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 44 images (16%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.6932. |
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05/30/2010 10:43:51 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Answering to the subject line, yes, it was fun. I only intended to vote 20% and ended up doing the whole damn thing. There's a lot to like in this challenge.
You have rated 264 of 273 images (97%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 44 images (16%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.6932. |
:( I didn't get a comment |
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05/30/2010 10:49:59 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
:( I didn't get a comment |
No, but I'll bet you got a high vote.
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05/30/2010 11:05:07 PM · #50 |
| Not sure these extra votes are so good, I lost 0.2 off my score in last 2 hours! |
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