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05/17/2010 12:25:41 AM · #1 |
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05/17/2010 12:56:05 AM · #2 |
| Here we go with the debates over focus blur vs motion blur... |
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05/17/2010 12:57:43 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Here we go with the debates over focus blur vs motion blur... |
No debate at all.
I'm right. :) |
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05/17/2010 01:05:38 AM · #4 |
| Again? So soon? Usually a second challenge is much longer apart then 8 months. Very surprising. |
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05/17/2010 03:08:44 AM · #5 |
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05/17/2010 03:12:57 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:
Again? So soon? Usually a second challenge is much longer apart then 8 months. Very surprising. |
Thats what i was thinking |
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05/17/2010 07:06:39 AM · #7 |
This one would be MY choice of entry.
It was taken in Germany last summer.
Rothenburg ob der Tauber is an absolutely amazing medieval town. This guy was the "town crier", arriving to take tourists on a tour.
Normally I delete blurry photos, but this one appealed to me for some reason.
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05/17/2010 08:33:36 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Here we go with the debates over focus blur vs motion blur... |
Originally posted by Beetle:
This one would be MY choice of entry. |
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05/17/2010 08:57:40 AM · #9 |
oh for heavens sake! If you missed the focus, you missed the focus! Why would it matter if you missed it because you had the wrong settings and it blurred because you or the subject moved, or because you missed the focusing point? You missed it! Period!
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05/17/2010 09:01:51 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
oh for heavens sake! If you missed the focus, you missed the focus! Why would it matter if you missed it because you had the wrong settings and it blurred because you or the subject moved, or because you missed the focusing point? You missed it! Period! |
Because motion blur is not focus. It can be perfectly sharp and in focus, but motion blurred. Think of it the other way around. If it were a motion blur challenge, and I entered this:
...would you say it fit that challenge topic? However, the voting results of the previous challenge say that I am in the incorrect minority. |
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05/17/2010 09:28:35 AM · #11 |
| haha, i suggested the first one and even i dont think it's time for round 2. Everyone's gonna get their panties in a bunch real quick |
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05/17/2010 09:33:53 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by vawendy:
oh for heavens sake! If you missed the focus, you missed the focus! Why would it matter if you missed it because you had the wrong settings and it blurred because you or the subject moved, or because you missed the focusing point? You missed it! Period! |
Because motion blur is not focus. It can be perfectly sharp and in focus, but motion blurred. Think of it the other way around. If it were a motion blur challenge, and I entered this:
...would you say it fit that challenge topic? However, the voting results of the previous challenge say that I am in the incorrect minority. |
But the result is the same -- the photo is blurry -- which is out of focus. If it is blurry, it's not in focus, whatever the reason.
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05/17/2010 09:37:56 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
If it is blurry, it's not in focus, whatever the reason. |
So you are saying my balloon shot would work in a motion blur challenge? |
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05/17/2010 10:59:49 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by vawendy:
oh for heavens sake! If you missed the focus, you missed the focus! Why would it matter if you missed it because you had the wrong settings and it blurred because you or the subject moved, or because you missed the focusing point? You missed it! Period! |
Because motion blur is not focus. It can be perfectly sharp and in focus, but motion blurred. Think of it the other way around. If it were a motion blur challenge, and I entered this:
...would you say it fit that challenge topic? However, the voting results of the previous challenge say that I am in the incorrect minority. |
But the result is the same -- the photo is blurry -- which is out of focus. If it is blurry, it's not in focus, whatever the reason. |
Agreed. This is like those silly hate crimes laws. The crime is the crime. The motive does not make the crime more or less. Same here. Out of focus is out of focus. Why it happened is of no bearing. |
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05/17/2010 11:06:41 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Out of focus is out of focus. Why it happened is of no bearing. |
The challenge is missed focus, not blur. Motion blur is due to movement during the exposure and can be tack sharp in focus. Focus (or lack of it) is due to the convergence of the optics upon a point in space. They are two different things. What happened IS of bearing.
I get it however. The challenge topic is crystal clear, but everyone else sees motion blur and out of focus as the same thing. If I come up with an outstanding motion blur shot, I will enter it, even though it will completely miss the objective for this topic.
Message edited by author 2010-05-17 11:08:06. |
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05/17/2010 11:09:18 AM · #16 |
So, since blur is blur, my balloon shot would be fine in a motion blur challenge, right?
Message edited by author 2010-05-17 11:10:32. |
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05/17/2010 11:11:41 AM · #17 |
| You can either run with it, with whatever the challenge inspires in you--or you can try to get a shot that will satisfy the expectations of a bunch of people you don't even know. You can understand the challenge to mean 'take a photo which can easily, obviously, & instantly be interpreted & understood only one way, as Missed Focus, by 150 diverse strangers.' I tend to run with it because it's more important to me that 150 diverse strangers be given a chance to each see my photo in their own unique way. I would rather get 150 votes spread from 1 to 10 that 150 votes of 5. But I am an artist, not a photographer. |
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05/17/2010 11:12:09 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
The challenge is missed focus, not blur. Motion blur is due to movement during the exposure and can be tack sharp in focus. Focus (or lack of it) is due to the convergence of the optics upon a point in space. They are two different things. What happened IS of bearing.
I get it however. The challenge topic is crystal clear, but everyone else sees motion blur and out of focus as the same thing. If I come up with an outstanding motion blur shot, I will enter it, even though it will completely miss the objective for this topic. |
I am in complete agreement with you Steve, if it helps any :) |
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05/17/2010 11:12:51 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
So, since blur is blur, my balloon shot would be fine in a motion blur challenge, right? |
Not in my book Steve. |
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05/17/2010 11:14:03 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
So, since blur is blur, my balloon shot would be fine in a motion blur challenge, right? |
It's fine only if it's fine with you. |
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05/17/2010 11:31:11 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I get it however. The challenge topic is crystal clear, but everyone else sees motion blur and out of focus as the same thing. If I come up with an outstanding motion blur shot, I will enter it, even though it will completely miss the objective for this topic. |
Now you understand how this site works :) :) :)
I see your point though... However, I disagree. Blur is not out of focus (to me), blur indicates movement. Out of focus is not blur. I meant what I said is that however you got out of focus doesn't matter so long as it's out of focus. So there does not have to be a secondary object in focus, when the primary object was missed. But there can be.
IMO. |
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05/17/2010 11:38:43 AM · #22 |
Does this mean that you cannot use a blur filter to create the same effect?
You may not: use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn’t already exist in your original capture(s). |
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05/17/2010 12:52:30 PM · #23 |
| I get the out-of-focus vs blur thing, but "missed" focus? Since most of the shots will be on purpose, shouldn't it just be "out of focus"? Not that it really matters, I will just miss the focus purposely. |
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05/17/2010 01:00:39 PM · #24 |
| To me, it is kinda like the sports shots I get sometimes. The player that is the subject is out of focus (not intentionally, and for a variety of reasons), but every thing else is tack sharp. Would score well, but I had just looked at such a shot yesterday when I read the challenge. |
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05/17/2010 04:52:13 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Agreed. This is like those silly hate crimes laws. The crime is the crime. The motive does not make the crime more or less. Same here. Out of focus is out of focus. Why it happened is of no bearing. |
Wow, that's quite an impressive leap from a blur discussion to hate crimes! You really need to turn off the rant and enjoy life a little more, Kev.
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