Impressionism - DPChallenge Forums

11/06/2004 02:27:32 PM · #51

Originally posted by Gordon:

It would be tough to be 'classically' impressionistic, in B&W, given that a lot of the ideals were about using bright, primary colours without much in the way of mixing.

I think the main theme of a lot of impressionistic pictures was painting the light and giving the impression of objects by capturing the light illuminating them.

Yes at a certain level every photo and picture captures light, but not all pictures are about that light.

This is where I am today with 'impressionism.' I came across an opportunity yesterday to shoot an impressionistic photo, so I made a few stabs at it. As I look at these images today, the 'color' is the dilemma. As everyone knows, I like less rather than more when it comes to the issue of color.

There are many elements that help define 'impressionism' in a classical sense, and color is one of them. The image I have in front of me today works well both ways. The color version allows the color to become a dominating theme in the image. The black and white (toned) version allows some of the more subtle defining elements of impressionism to shine through. In the non-color version, the textures play a lot stronger role. This would equate to the impressionistic element of the brush stroke in a classical sense.

Throughout art history, it seems that monochromatic images were not really a 'force' until photography entered the scene. So, with the image I have at the moment, I can choose color and try to more closely mimic classical impressionism. I could also choose the black and white version and try to be 'different' :)

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

11/06/2004 02:43:53 PM · #52

This is a question of your overall philosophy, John. In my opinion, a B&W image will get crushed in voting, but it's most likely the stronger of the two images. Can't wait to see what you decide.

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by Gordon:
It would be tough to be 'classically' impressionistic, in B&W, given that a lot of the ideals were about using bright, primary colours without much in the way of mixing.

I think the main theme of a lot of impressionistic pictures was painting the light and giving the impression of objects by capturing the light illuminating them.

Yes at a certain level every photo and picture captures light, but not all pictures are about that light.

This is where I am today with 'impressionism.' I came across an opportunity yesterday to shoot an impressionistic photo, so I made a few stabs at it. As I look at these images today, the 'color' is the dilemma. As everyone knows, I like less rather than more when it comes to the issue of color.

There are many elements that help define 'impressionism' in a classical sense, and color is one of them. The image I have in front of me today works well both ways. The color version allows the color to become a dominating theme in the image. The black and white (toned) version allows some of the more subtle defining elements of impressionism to shine through. In the non-color version, the textures play a lot stronger role. This would equate to the impressionistic element of the brush stroke in a classical sense.

Throughout art history, it seems that monochromatic images were not really a 'force' until photography entered the scene. So, with the image I have at the moment, I can choose color and try to more closely mimic classical impressionism. I could also choose the black and white version and try to be 'different' :)

mrorange002

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

11/06/2004 02:46:49 PM · #53

I have a question,
maybe someone can answer it. I read the rules, and I'm kinda confused.

are photoshop filters alowed in an advanced editing challenge? will people be able to use any of the artistic filters?

11/06/2004 02:48:49 PM · #54

Originally posted by hopper:

This is a question of your overall philosophy, John. In my opinion, a B&W image will get crushed in voting, but it's most likely the stronger of the two images. Can't wait to see what you decide.

I can't decide which one I really like best at this point. Both have their own merits. The color image has practically no post processing and its straight out of the camera with a very minor level adjustment. The b/w version has more post processing involved.

11/06/2004 02:49:26 PM · #55

Originally posted by ericlimon:

I believe the use of these filters is allowed in advanced editing.

mrorange002

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

11/06/2004 02:51:15 PM · #56

thanks john, and I'm sure that whichever photo you choose will be top notch.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/06/2004 02:54:40 PM · #57

Originally posted by ericlimon:

thanks john, and I'm sure that whichever photo you choose will be top notch.

I do like the photo either way. I think this challenge is gonna ask a bit much from the voters. We are asking them to accept things that they traditionally do not like :)

graphicfunk

Canon EOS-20D

11/06/2004 02:57:58 PM · #58

No such filters outside of the accepted ones in advance editing. You can stretch this a bit by using copies and changing the standard filters such as overlay, screen etc.

I have taken a totally different route and decided to get the effect in the camera. In this way I avoid using any filters excepting um, gb.

Now, about this subject of impressionism. The effect is more a visual impression removed from the classical form. This means that light and shadow and colors trump any realistic texture which is the property of the classical form. The danger in realistic texture is that it forces the eyes to find it throughout the image. Once you go this route you are governed by the classical style. Of course, there could be examples wherein great clarity in almost classical form can be balanced by a background that plays an important role and is rendered in an impressionistic form, but these are not the best examples. The best are the light and shadow with color, though not as rich in all cases.

graphicfunk

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/06/2004 03:11:19 PM · #59

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
I have a question,
maybe someone can answer it. I read the rules, and I'm kinda confused.

are photoshop filters alowed in an advanced editing challenge? will people be able to use any of the artistic filters?

I believe the use of these filters is allowed in advanced editing.

graphicfunk

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/06/2004 03:12:41 PM · #60

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

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I disagree here. no artistic filters are allowed, read the rules. To use any artistic filter is to open the way for plug-ins.

e301

11/06/2004 04:59:26 PM · #61

Much talk of impressionist subjects (and they were not limited to 'affects of light', as perhaps the most popular of all prints from that period attests - the poppy field). To my understanding, what most defines the school in a mode of representation (this may well be what graphicfunk is referring to), rather than a simple area of study.

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Arachnophilia

Logitech ClickSmart 510

11/07/2004 01:59:02 AM · #62

i'm an outcast from dpchallenge. i checked this page out of random curiosity because every now and then i think about entering a challenge. this one i really want to enter.

see, i left this place because it wasn't constructive for my style. on almost every challenge i entered, i did horribly, because i'm looking for different things in photos than most people. and 90% of the time, i rated the dead last photo a 10. i just don't fit in here.

i shoot, digitally, on something that many of you wouldn't even consider a camera. i make images with bright colors, no detail, over sharpened, and lots of very visible compression. in the time i've been away from here i've given my style a name:

digital impressionism.

see, in an impressionist painting, the artist is trying to give you an impression of the image only. not the details. it focuses more on intent, color, and overal beauty of the brush strokes. and this is what i do in photography: and impression of forms, strong color choices (often innacurate to the real world), no detail, and you can see my pixels.

this is what i do:

//www.pbase.com/arachnophilia/image/19534853/original

i literally have a gallery full of this: //www.pbase.com/arachnophilia/digital

no photoshop filters, straight webcammage. just some basic contrast, saturation, and sharpening controls.

MrYu

Nikon D70

Sigma 100-300mm f/4.0 EX IF HSM for Nikon

11/07/2004 02:42:15 AM · #63

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Message edited by author 2005-07-12 11:13:56.

undieyatch

Olympus E-10

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

11/07/2004 03:36:35 AM · #64

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Throughout art history, it seems that monochromatic images were not really a 'force' until photography entered the scene. So, with the image I have at the moment, I can choose color and try to more closely mimic classical impressionism. I could also choose the black and white version and try to be 'different' :)

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Let us not forget some other "forces." Hardly insignificance are drawing, etching, lithography, intaglio, pen & ink, wood cut etc...... some of these graphic media predate photographic process by a few years. Certianly we must not limit our view of art history to only what comes after the 19th century.

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

11/07/2004 03:39:57 AM · #65

Originally posted by undieyatch:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Throughout art history, it seems that monochromatic images were not really a 'force' until photography entered the scene. So, with the image I have at the moment, I can choose color and try to more closely mimic classical impressionism. I could also choose the black and white version and try to be 'different' :)

...............................................................

Let us not forget some other "forces." Hardly insignificance are drawing, etching, lithography, intaglio, pen & ink, wood cut etc...... some of these graphic media predate photographic process by a few years. Certianly we must not limit our view of art history to only what comes after the 19th century.

This is just a situation where I prefer my b/w version over the color. Both are decent images IMO, but I know the color one would fare better here at DPC.

undieyatch

Olympus E-10

11/07/2004 03:55:51 AM · #66

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by undieyatch:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Throughout art history, it seems that monochromatic images were not really a 'force' until photography entered the scene. So, with the image I have at the moment, I can choose color and try to more closely mimic classical impressionism. I could also choose the black and white version and try to be 'different' :)

...............................................................

Let us not forget some other "forces." Hardly insignificant are drawing, etching, lithography, intaglio, pen & ink, wood cut etc...... some of these graphic media predate photographic process by a few years. Certianly we must not limit our view of art history to only what comes after the 19th century.

This is just a situation where I prefer my b/w version over the color. Both are decent images IMO, but I know the color one would fare better here at DPC.

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In context..... of course you should do what you think best. Your impressionist picture sight unseen..... I don't know. And as for b&w, I am enjoying your monotones you have submitted lately. I could see how monotone could work for the challenge.

Message edited by author 2004-11-07 10:00:54.

Arachnophilia

Logitech ClickSmart 510

11/07/2004 06:25:46 PM · #67

Originally posted by yurasocolov:

I like the majority of your photos. Some of them, though, would benefit from being executed with better quality. I am not talking about bringing into focus things that are out of focus on purpose. I am talking about getting rid of digital noise and other arifacts.

well, the noise is exactly the point. i'm not taking pictures of stuff, i'm making patterns in noise. that's sort of why it's impressionism.

(also, if you poke around on my gallery i shoot a lot of film too. i use a nikon fm2n with a 28mm lens alot, and i just got a mamiya rb67. i usually carry around the nikon and the webcam at the same time, so some pictures are duplicated -- the ones i think would make good pictures in the other format.)

Originally posted by yurasocolov:

I think you should enter challenges even if your photos don't rate high. If you don't show the difference it's impossible to influence all the people that think cheesy calendar landscapes are the best there can possibly be. Regardless of whether that's your goal. This site is one place where diversity really does matter.

well, part of it was not fitting in. but part of it was that i was trying to, and it wasn't working. i don't want to try to fit in in the art world, but winning would be cool too, you know? if i REALLY wanted to enter, i'd borrow my friend's d70, and i might even be able to place pretty well, if i was inspired.

Message edited by author 2004-11-07 18:26:59.

dsidwell

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/07/2004 09:14:33 PM · #68

Due tonight and only 6 submissions so far?! Yikes!

Gringo

Nikon D2X

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/07/2004 09:17:00 PM · #69

Originally posted by dsidwell:

Due tonight and only 6 submissions so far?! Yikes!

Man you scared me!

Submission: Nov. 1st - Nov. 14th

We still have another week David.
:)

elsapo

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

11/07/2004 09:17:10 PM · #70

Originally posted by dsidwell:

Due tonight and only 6 submissions so far?! Yikes!

i think there is sill a week left..right?

dsidwell