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10/19/2004 03:47:15 PM · #1 |
Once again Canada has shown it's true colors... With America's respect around the world understandably at it's lowest point in memory, when we are in trouble we still have the best friend any nation could hope for. To offer surplus flu vaccinations to us is the truest sign that Canada is the kind of nation Americans wish we could be.
My heartfelt thanks :)
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10/19/2004 03:54:20 PM · #2 |
The US is short 50 million vacines. Canada, according to news reports, only has approximately 1 million vacines that were sold privately to doctors to which Americans have access. The rest have been sold to Provincial governments. These vacines are available to residents of the respective provinces only.
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10/19/2004 04:07:36 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The US is short 50 million vacines. Canada, according to news reports, only has approximately 1 million vacines that were sold privately to doctors to which Americans have access. The rest have been sold to Provincial governments. These vacines are available to residents of the respective provinces only. |
Anybody can have my flu shot...I haven't gotten one for the last two years. Guess when my last bout with the flue was?
You guessed it, three years ago! |
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10/20/2004 03:36:15 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The US is short 50 million vacines. Canada, according to news reports, only has approximately 1 million vacines that were sold privately to doctors to which Americans have access. The rest have been sold to Provincial governments. These vacines are available to residents of the respective provinces only. |
Anybody can have my flu shot...I haven't gotten one for the last two years. Guess when my last bout with the flue was?
You guessed it, three years ago! |
I'll echo this sentiment -- except you'll need to put a one in front of all the years. :D
David
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10/20/2004 07:12:03 AM · #5 |
What I still don't understand is that the U.S. can come to us with their hand out for flu vaccine, but when their citizens come to Canada to purchase reasonably priced prescription drugs, they freak.
Many U.S. politicians keep bellowing that our drugs aren't safe, but I guess our vaccines are as good as gold.
Oh well, who am I to try to understand the mind of the politicos.
I'm just glad we can help. Now roll up your sleeve and count back from 5. This will only sting a little...
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10/20/2004 07:25:16 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Now roll up your sleeve and count back from 5. This will only sting a little... |
uhmmm ... i prefer the buttock ... hit me Denis! :)
seriously though, what the freak?! We need to stop crying about a stupid shot. Perhaps if we lay off the sausage and egg McMuffin's and take a vitamin or two ... no one would care. |
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10/20/2004 07:27:44 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
What I still don't understand is that the U.S. can come to us with their hand out for flu vaccine, but when their citizens come to Canada to purchase reasonably priced prescription drugs, they freak.
I'm just glad we can help. Now roll up your sleeve and count back from 5. This will only sting a little... |
Yeah, I don't understand it either... It's not like Canada is some third world country or something, but whatever, that's politics and I stay out of that stuff....
I've never, in my 32 years, gotten a flu shot and have never had a bad bought with the flu that I can remember. But, because I'm pregnant, I was told that it would be a very good idea if I did, so after alot of calling around to health departments, dr. offices, pharmacies, I finally found a grocery store that was holding one more flu shot clinic for the season. My husband and I get up at 4:00am to trek about 45 min. to the next county to stand in line for 2 hours in the freezing cold to get a number at 7:00am to come back at 12:00 to get a shot.
The saddest thing, was that when we arrived there was a line already started of all elderly folk, the LAST people who should be sitting out in the cold for hours on end. While we were there, an older gentleman passed out, falling straight back and hitting his head on the cement. Ambulance comes and takes him away.... It was a sad scene that I hope won't have to be repeated next year and in years to come. I felt guilty being there and was on the verge of leaving, but would've felt much worse had my newborn somehow come down ill with the flu... It all seems very uneccesary to me that it should be this way. This will probably be my first & last flu shot, as there are so many out there that really have a need for them. Let's try not to let them catch pneumonia while they're waiting for their flu shots though, eh? |
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10/20/2004 07:43:02 AM · #8 |
people still get sick??? holycrap, I eat what I want, do what I want when I want and NEVER get sick. Maybe its your diet??? maybe you should think less about what your eating and do more outside. Whens the last time you went and played in a park or jumped into a puddle after/during a rain??? live a little...
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10/20/2004 07:58:57 AM · #9 |
Shoot you let the media and the panic over flu season for a flu vaccine that is just that the flu giving to you so maybe you wont catch the flu scare ya. They told me both times I was pregnant to get the shot and I said noway If you have an unkown health condition the flu shot can kill ya as well. Out of all the people that do get the vaccine and the rest dont is it really going to work 100%? People dont stay at home enogh when they are sick and they certainly dont practice the washing hands enough. I think there ought to be more paid sick days giving to people and more for the schools so that its excusable for one to stay home when sick and keep their germs to themselves. And if one is caughing and has a runny nose where a face mask and wipe things off with a antibacterial dissinfective if someone else is going to touch the same things or be in the same area you were in. I have never taken the shot. I might have a 24 stomach hour sickness or a 2 week sinus infection a year when seasons change but I am not getting the flu from a needle! Thankyou Canada though for shutting up some of these panicking people :) Older and babies first served. Arent they going to be more the ones to have reactions to medicines or they dont need something confusing their body like being hit with the flu at once..... If you are going to catch a germ it takes 7 days for infections to show symptoms and our bodies natural way of getting rid of the germ might take a week. Stay at home when you have symptoms rest up. People are deprived from rest. The last resort take some antibiotic. I aint no doctor or medicine miracle worker but I do know when the government and the media is stretching it out to far and not really telling all!
Why cant we all take naps in the middle of the day after lunch make it a law! A must breaks for everyone it would make us be more productive.
Originally posted by jenesis:
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
What I still don't understand is that the U.S. can come to us with their hand out for flu vaccine, but when their citizens come to Canada to purchase reasonably priced prescription drugs, they freak.
I'm just glad we can help. Now roll up your sleeve and count back from 5. This will only sting a little... |
Yeah, I don't understand it either... It's not like Canada is some third world country or something, but whatever, that's politics and I stay out of that stuff....
I've never, in my 32 years, gotten a flu shot and have never had a bad bought with the flu that I can remember. But, because I'm pregnant, I was told that it would be a very good idea if I did, so after alot of calling around to health departments, dr. offices, pharmacies, I finally found a grocery store that was holding one more flu shot clinic for the season. My husband and I get up at 4:00am to trek about 45 min. to the next county to stand in line for 2 hours in the freezing cold to get a number at 7:00am to come back at 12:00 to get a shot.
The saddest thing, was that when we arrived there was a line already started of all elderly folk, the LAST people who should be sitting out in the cold for hours on end. While we were there, an older gentleman passed out, falling straight back and hitting his head on the cement. Ambulance comes and takes him away.... It was a sad scene that I hope won't have to be repeated next year and in years to come. I felt guilty being there and was on the verge of leaving, but would've felt much worse had my newborn somehow come down ill with the flu... It all seems very uneccesary to me that it should be this way. This will probably be my first & last flu shot, as there are so many out there that really have a need for them. Let's try not to let them catch pneumonia while they're waiting for their flu shots though, eh? |
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10/20/2004 10:37:07 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
What I still don't understand is that the U.S. can come to us with their hand out for flu vaccine, but when their citizens come to Canada to purchase reasonably priced prescription drugs, they freak. |
It's really quite simple, though I can understand why someone not from the US might have a hard time understanding it... Politics in the US cost money... Lots of money... And drug makers give politicians lots of money... So the politicians pass laws to make sure that the people pay the drug makers lots of money so that the politicians can get lots of money so they can pass more laws helping other companies that will give them (politicians) more money...
Clear now?
On a side note, to those who think flu shots aren't important, I have a wife, daughter and father who will probably die if they get the flu... Not be sick for a week... die...
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10/20/2004 10:43:24 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
What I still don't understand is that the U.S. can come to us with their hand out for flu vaccine, but when their citizens come to Canada to purchase reasonably priced prescription drugs, they freak. |
It's really quite simple, though I can understand why someone not from the US might have a hard time understanding it... Politics in the US cost money... Lots of money... And drug makers give politicians lots of money... So the politicians pass laws to make sure that the people pay the drug makers lots of money so that the politicians can get lots of money so they can pass more laws helping other companies that will give them (politicians) more money...
Clear now?
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that and canada just this week told the us it wasn't going to let all those drugs go at the low prices, and why would they when people here will gladly pay double the price, why shouldn't canada get in on it...it's not as simple an issue as bush and kerry make it out to be |
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10/20/2004 10:45:06 AM · #12 |
Well here's another well-meaning thread turning into politics.... :-)
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10/20/2004 09:06:48 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
To offer surplus flu vaccinations to us is the truest sign that Canada is the kind of nation Americans wish we could be. |
(NOTE: This is in no way directed at Canada, or for that matter any other country, just at self-loathing Americans...)
What an assinine thing to say. The US contributes more to the healt and well-being of people around the globe than any other country. When there's a disaster, we're there. When there's a famine, we're there. When there's drought, we're there. When there's disease, we're there. When there's war and oppression, we spill our blood on the battlefield to defend others. We're not perfect, our timing isn't always as quick as it could or should be, our motives might not always be the purest. But Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative, no matter which side is in power, we come to the aid of the world.
And because Canada has offered us their SURPLUS vaccines, you think they are "the kind of nation Americans wish we could be"??? This country is destined for a long, painful death when citizens like you have access to a vote... |
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10/20/2004 09:45:01 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
When there's a disaster, we're there. When there's a famine, we're there. When there's drought, we're there. When there's disease, we're there. When there's war and oppression, we spill our blood on the battlefield to defend others. |
So do many, many other countries, Scott.
Oh, and before you toot too loudly that the US is pulling more than its weight for international relief and such, maybe you should take a look at this page. It shows that the US is lagging quite a bit behind in its monetary contributions to the UN when compared to other countries of the world. Each country's monetary contribution to the UN is based on their respective Gross Domestic Product (GDP) values. The US has the highest GDP in the world and thus should contribute the most to the UN. The United States has a self-imposed 25 percent ceiling on their contribution amount. In response, countries of the European Union are compelled to contribute a greater percentage then designated by their Gross Domestic Product levels.
So declaring that the US "contributes more to the health and well-being of people around the globe than any other country" is not quite accurate. The US does contribute, and it helps a lot, but pound for pound, other countries do more.
Message edited by author 2004-10-20 22:02:51.
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10/20/2004 09:53:38 PM · #15 |
The US contributes more than any other country? What a joke. That's offending in the most horrific way. It's been observed that, since the Rio de Janeiro summit in 1992, when the UN's Agenda 21 floated a target of 0.7% of GDP from the 22 richest countries in the world (the OCED) the US is the lowest contributor to foreign aid of any country in the world in terms of percentage of their GDP. The US hasn't even kept up this 0.7%. It wasn't even the greatest contributor of raw dollars until 2001 (Japan was) and the aid was attributed to the war on terror and its funding of Pakistan. Only when the US has been in direct threat has it responded wih (arguably) self-serving 'aid' (also known as bombing the sh*t out of various dirt-poor countries).
If you wanna spread that BS around here, at least make an attempt to back it the f*ck up.
Originally posted by ScottK:
What an assinine thing to say. The US contributes more to the healt and well-being of people around the globe than any other country. When there's a disaster, we're there. When there's a famine, we're there. When there's drought, we're there. When there's disease, we're there. When there's war and oppression, we spill our blood on the battlefield to defend others. We're not perfect, our timing isn't always as quick as it could or should be, our motives might not always be the purest. But Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative, no matter which side is in power, we come to the aid of the world.
And because Canada has offered us their SURPLUS vaccines, you think they are "the kind of nation Americans wish we could be"??? This country is destined for a long, painful death when citizens like you have access to a vote... |
Message edited by author 2004-10-20 21:58:23.
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10/20/2004 10:08:38 PM · #16 |
| Interesting information gentlemen, thanks for posting. |
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10/20/2004 11:17:56 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by ScottK:
When there's a disaster, we're there. When there's a famine, we're there. When there's drought, we're there. When there's disease, we're there. When there's war and oppression, we spill our blood on the battlefield to defend others. |
So do many, many other countries, Scott.
Oh, and before you toot too loudly that the US is pulling more than its weight for international relief and such, maybe you should take a look at this page. It shows that the US is lagging quite a bit behind in its monetary contributions to the UN when compared to other countries of the world. Each country's monetary contribution to the UN is based on their respective Gross Domestic Product (GDP) values. The US has the highest GDP in the world and thus should contribute the most to the UN. The United States has a self-imposed 25 percent ceiling on their contribution amount. In response, countries of the European Union are compelled to contribute a greater percentage then designated by their Gross Domestic Product levels.
So declaring that the US "contributes more to the health and well-being of people around the globe than any other country" is not quite accurate. The US does contribute, and it helps a lot, but pound for pound, other countries do more. |
Contributing to the health and well-being of people around the globe sure as hell isn't the same thing as contributing to the health and well-being of the UN. |
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10/20/2004 11:22:26 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
The US contributes more than any other country? What a joke. That's offending in the most horrific way. It's been observed that, since the Rio de Janeiro summit in 1992, when the UN's Agenda 21 floated a target of 0.7% of GDP from the 22 richest countries in the world (the OCED) the US is the lowest contributor to foreign aid of any country in the world in terms of percentage of their GDP. The US hasn't even kept up this 0.7%. It wasn't even the greatest contributor of raw dollars until 2001 (Japan was) and the aid was attributed to the war on terror and its funding of Pakistan. Only when the US has been in direct threat has it responded wih (arguably) self-serving 'aid' (also known as bombing the sh*t out of various dirt-poor countries).
If you wanna spread that BS around here, at least make an attempt to back it the f*ck up.
Originally posted by ScottK:
What an assinine thing to say. The US contributes more to the healt and well-being of people around the globe than any other country. When there's a disaster, we're there. When there's a famine, we're there. When there's drought, we're there. When there's disease, we're there. When there's war and oppression, we spill our blood on the battlefield to defend others. We're not perfect, our timing isn't always as quick as it could or should be, our motives might not always be the purest. But Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative, no matter which side is in power, we come to the aid of the world.
And because Canada has offered us their SURPLUS vaccines, you think they are "the kind of nation Americans wish we could be"??? This country is destined for a long, painful death when citizens like you have access to a vote... |
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How about backing your unsubstantiated 'BS' the 'f*ck' up. |
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10/20/2004 11:28:07 PM · #19 |
Read away. There's lots more out there with Google and a bit of free time.
US Aid
Originally posted by frychikn:
How about backing your unsubstantiated 'BS' the 'f*ck' up. |
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10/20/2004 11:30:00 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
Contributing to the health and well-being of people around the globe sure as hell isn't the same thing as contributing to the health and well-being of the UN. |
...I'm glad the US contributes to other countries, but I just hope somebody, somewhere, at some very near point in the future, discovers a way to contribute more to the health and well-being of the children, needy families, and elderly people of the US...basic human needs like adequate food, housing, medical care, prescription drugs...but then again, that's just MHO. Again. I'm full of them tonight. Must be PMS! :o)
Message edited by author 2004-10-20 23:30:13. |
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10/20/2004 11:49:22 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by ScottK:
When there's a disaster, we're there. When there's a famine, we're there. When there's drought, we're there. When there's disease, we're there. When there's war and oppression, we spill our blood on the battlefield to defend others. |
So do many, many other countries, Scott. |
Absolutely, and Canada is right up there at the top. I tried to make clear that the point of my post was not to knock against Canada or any other country for their efforts in helping others. It was the attitude (by an American, I believe) that somehow America is so lacking that we can only dream of being as generous as Canada has been in this (relatively) minor bit of "generocity".
The monitary contributions to the U.N. are a whooooooooole other issue, but not really relevant to my point. |
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10/21/2004 12:06:07 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Read away. There's lots more out there with Google and a bit of free time.
US Aid
Originally posted by frychikn:
How about backing your unsubstantiated 'BS' the 'f*ck' up. |
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I had a little free time, so I did 'read away'. Among the most interesting things in the article were those you forgot to mention, such as:
1 - Almost ALL of the world's 'rich countries' failed to meet the target of .7% of their GDP for foreign aid.
2 - Among the countries failing to meet this target was Canada, which didn't even come close.
3 - The people of the United States contribute much more in private non-governmental foreign aid than those of any other country. The author of the article praises the generosity of American individuals, non-governmental organizations, businesses, etc. |
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10/21/2004 12:15:09 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Read away. There's lots more out there with Google and a bit of free time.
US Aid
Originally posted by frychikn:
How about backing your unsubstantiated 'BS' the 'f*ck' up. |
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Thanks for backing up my claim with the numbers on that link. According to those numbers, we have, in fact, contributed more in the last three years in total dollars than any other country. I like it when you guys do my work for me. :)
But, for the sake of getting along, I'll retract the "more than any other country" part of my comment - that was made in the "heat of the moment", so to speak, in response to the offense myqyl posted. My point wasn't really to hold up a measuring rod and say "we're the best, screw the rest". |
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10/21/2004 12:20:44 AM · #24 |
| Just to mix it up a bit; the US is also the worst largest producer of pollution, nuclear weapons, and toxic chemicals. |
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10/21/2004 12:42:06 AM · #25 |
I repeat:
The US is the lowest contributor to foreign aid of any country in the world in terms of percentage of their GDP.
If you think this is acceptable, or think that the monies lumped to going to Pakistan are foreign aid, then that's sad indeed.
In these arguments over several forums I'm just trying to express how deeply, deeply upset the world is over the actions of the current US administration. I'm not anti-US, in the least. The values upon which the country was founded are great and noble, and it is a wonderful place with many wonderful people. It is the Bush administration I'm at odds with, and the blind support of it by many of your citizens. At the hands of a skillful propaganda machine, many many people are being deceived not out of a lack of intelligence, but a lack of an informed, balanced view. Your blanket assumption that your country is the world's greatest benefactor is misguided, and that's why I called it out. I know there are problems with foreign aid in general, but it's just one example of where assumption is just plain wrong.
Your country, your constitution is being bled and burned from under your feet and yet you continue to support this by assuming (terribly, tragically wrongly) that your country can do no wrong. This is against everything your founding fathers had in mind. Your contemporaries of yesteryear were taught to be critical of their government at every turn. Where has that tradition gone?
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Read away. There's lots more out there with Google and a bit of free time.
US Aid
Originally posted by frychikn:
How about backing your unsubstantiated 'BS' the 'f*ck' up. |
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Thanks for backing up my claim with the numbers on that link. According to those numbers, we have, in fact, contributed more in the last three years in total dollars than any other country. I like it when you guys do my work for me. :)
But, for the sake of getting along, I'll retract the "more than any other country" part of my comment - that was made in the "heat of the moment", so to speak, in response to the offense myqyl posted. My point wasn't really to hold up a measuring rod and say "we're the best, screw the rest". |
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 00:51:10.
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