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09/23/2004 09:50:53 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by siggi:
1. Require the photographer to write a shot description how it connects to the competition when submitting, if the photographer can't come up with it how it connects then it probably dosn't and should not be part of the competition. |
I generally do this already. So, actually your solution is to do what I've wanted for a long time, let the photographer's "additional info" be shown during the voting. Only then you'd have violations of anonymity, and arguments over whether you agree with the photographer's interpretation.
Why not consider that the artist HAD a reason or connection, but that you just haven't figured it out -- and can't read about it until afterwards.
You can also send me a list of a few photos you don't think have any connection to the challenge and I'll see if I can find one for you ... I usually do : ) |
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09/23/2004 09:51:45 AM · #52 |
How can you compaire
a swan in fairy tails
to
a nothting to team sport action
the line is easly drawn there, you should have taken my first submission as an exaple for it was more of a photoshop than a photo.
I think it should have been DQ with the rules then for not keeping the integrity of the photo.
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09/23/2004 09:53:47 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by siggi:
And you choose to ingnore that both have no connection what so ever to TSA. |
The relationship was obvious to me. I didn't spend hours trying to think up some stretch or leap of faith on why it fitted. It made sense immediately. It made me smile, it made me reconsider what team sports can be about. Making you think or reconsider or re-evaluate is one of the most powerful things a photograph can do. It communicated to me, educated me and expanded my horizons. It was on topic. Very on topic. It entertained me. I enjoyed it. I voted it high.
You still choose to ignore the perfectly valid reasons I presented on why it was entirely on topic. I voted it a 10 because I felt it met the challenge as one of the best entries in that particular challenge. I am not a troll. I am not voting to destroy the site. I just voted for my favourite picture. Why is your opinion supposed to be more valid than mine ?
Message edited by author 2004-09-23 09:55:12.
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09/23/2004 09:58:25 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by siggi:
I think it should have been DQ with the rules then for not keeping the integrity of the photo.
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That's an entirely separate issue which has nothing to do with this conversation. |
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09/23/2004 09:58:55 AM · #55 |
TSA challenge there where only these two I could not find any connection.
The bird photo could have been some sort of pigen competion or something like that.
Ah the photographers description would only be visable to the SC and they would get a mail with a link they could click and if one member in the SC clicks meats challenge thet it would be dealt with.
Then the one makeing the DQ-request would have to check a box if it was a DQ for editing or for not meating the challenge.
It requires some programming but is easy and straight forward.
Message edited by author 2004-09-23 10:02:51.
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09/23/2004 10:01:31 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by siggi:
TSA challenge there where only these two I could not find any connection.
The bird photo could have been some sort of pigen competion or something like that.
Ah the photographers description would only be visable to the SC and they would get a mail with a link they could click and if one member in the SC clicks meats challenge thet it would be dealt with.
Then the one DQ would have to check a box if it was a DQ for editing or for not meating the challenge.
It requires some programming but is easy and straight forward. |
You do realise that GeneralE is on the SC and as he's stated, he thinks pretty much anything meets the challenge - hence this wouldn't do anything ?
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09/23/2004 10:03:42 AM · #57 |
Total size of this thread (as of 09:58:55 AM): 228,078 bytes
Total size of the two photos in question: 54,811 bytes.
Which is more of a waste of bandwidth?
-Terry
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09/23/2004 10:04:19 AM · #58 |
Tell me GeneralE then the connection of the gray squre and the sunset photo to TSA.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by siggi:
1. Require the photographer to write a shot description how it connects to the competition when submitting, if the photographer can't come up with it how it connects then it probably dosn't and should not be part of the competition. |
I generally do this already. So, actually your solution is to do what I've wanted for a long time, let the photographer's "additional info" be shown during the voting. Only then you'd have violations of anonymity, and arguments over whether you agree with the photographer's interpretation.
Why not consider that the artist HAD a reason or connection, but that you just haven't figured it out -- and can't read about it until afterwards.
You can also send me a list of a few photos you don't think have any connection to the challenge and I'll see if I can find one for you ... I usually do : ) |
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09/23/2004 10:05:59 AM · #59 |
| When is this thread going to pick itself up, walk into the corner and die? |
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09/23/2004 10:07:19 AM · #60 |
Why does GeneralE get to decide if the shot meets the challenge and the rest of us don't? How about a system where we ALL get to decide if the shot meets the challenge.. Oh no wait, that's what we have..
LOL, Gary..
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09/23/2004 10:08:17 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
When is this thread going to pick itself up, walk into the corner and die? |
Now that's the best question I've seen yet in this thread! :-))
-Terry
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09/23/2004 10:10:31 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by siggi:
Tell me GeneralE then the connection of the gray squre and the sunset photo to TSA. |
and as another FYI, I was on the SC for a couple of years, and have explained at length why the grey square is perfectly on topic for TSA.
The sunset isn't and I also explained why it shouldn't be DQed on score fixing grounds.
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09/23/2004 10:12:47 AM · #63 |
54 bytes hmm its not much is it.
each takes say 1 seconds to load (depending on your connecton)
310 x 2 seconds for the to for all users
620 seconds
Say eash user takes 2 seconds to look at it and voting.
1860 seconds = only 31 minute!
and 16 MB bandwith for all users.
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Total size of this thread (as of 09:58:55 AM): 228,078 bytes
Total size of the two photos in question: 54,811 bytes.
Which is more of a waste of bandwidth?
-Terry |
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09/23/2004 10:16:04 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by siggi:
1860 seconds = only 31 minute!
and 16 MB bandwith for all users.
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By your logic and assuming a very fast 30 seconds to read the thread, you've wasted about 345 minutes worth of people's time with these threads so far. So we've got room for another 10 or so 'off topic in your little corner of the world' pictures, before the balance is back to normal.
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09/23/2004 10:20:15 AM · #65 |
Ahh finnaly someone gets it.
345 minutes hahahahahahhaah.
Feel better now since it made up for my waist of time on the photos.
I knew nothing would come out of this except waist of time!
Thanks for your contribution!
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by siggi:
1860 seconds = only 31 minute!
and 16 MB bandwith for all users.
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By your logic and assuming a very fast 30 seconds to read the thread, you've wasted about 345 minutes worth of people's time with these threads so far. So we've got room for another 10 or so 'off topic in your little corner of the world' pictures, before the balance is back to normal. |
Message edited by author 2004-09-23 10:21:19.
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09/23/2004 10:25:50 AM · #66 |
if you cant to comment on this then you will have to PM me!
I'm ignoring this thread as of now.
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09/23/2004 10:26:44 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by siggi:
Tell me GeneralE then the connection of the gray squre and the sunset photo to TSA. |
and as another FYI, I was on the SC for a couple of years, and have explained at length why the grey square is perfectly on topic for TSA.
The sunset isn't and I also explained why it shouldn't be DQed on score fixing grounds. |
I pretty much liked your reasons from earlier : )
It doesn't mean I could never find a photo off-topic, or a weak/lame connection. But I believe in encouraging creativity and out of-the-box thinking, even if it doesn't always "work" sometimes, because that's how progress is made. Tossing someone's photo out of a free contest seems petty and mean, and doesn't really teach the photographer anything. And someone's lame attempt may inspire someone else to go out and "do it right."
And, as Gordon pointed out, the whole point of the vote is to gather a wide range of opinion.
Why should I have to look at that photo and vote on whether or not you should get to see it? I'd hardly be able to wait for the threads on how the SC is censoring the entries and secretly axing "certain" photos ... no thanks! If you think a photo doesn't belong in the challenge, give it a 1 and move on, that's your job description here. |
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09/23/2004 10:26:54 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by siggi:
if you cant to comment on this then you will have to PM me!
I'm ignoring this thread as of now. |
rotflmao!
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09/23/2004 10:29:56 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by siggi:
if you cant to comment on this then you will have to PM me! |
Done. |
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09/23/2004 10:41:04 AM · #70 |
Some examples of the problems we would run into:
Do these meet their respective challenges?
Team Sports Action: 
Mirrors:  (notice the mirror is covered in the shot)
Smoke:  (is dry ice vapor smoke?)
Smoke:  (steam, not smoke)
Framing: 
Color Studio Portrait: 
Unusual Viewpoint: 
Unusual Viewpoint: 
Superstitions and Urban Legends: 
These are just a few examples of the grey area Site Council would have to deal with.
-Terry
(p.s. - If anyone whose photo I have used as an example does not want it used in this way, let me know and I will remove it from this post)
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09/23/2004 10:51:31 AM · #71 |
Just to play Siggi's advocate, there may come a time when people submit 'images' just to screw with the site. 2 out of 300 wouldn't be so bad, but if we ticked somebody off (somebody who was stealing our photos, for example) and they created multiple accounts or got their friends to join and submit meaningless pictures we may have a problem where 10% of the pictures are just wasted time and space.
So, although I disagree with Siggi's examples or his worry of 'spam' type photos at this time, there may be a time when dpc is confronted with this problem and it may have to be addressed in the future... |
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09/23/2004 10:56:05 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Just to play Siggi's advocate, there may come a time when people submit 'images' just to screw with the site. 2 out of 300 wouldn't be so bad, but if we ticked somebody off (somebody who was stealing our photos, for example) and they created multiple accounts or got their friends to join and submit meaningless pictures we may have a problem where 10% of the pictures are just wasted time and space. |
If they created multiple accounts, they would be quickly noticed and suspended. If they repeatedly submitted "junk" photos, then I suspect a similar course of action might occur, after a couple of warnings...
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09/23/2004 11:03:14 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Just to play Siggi's advocate, there may come a time when people submit 'images' just to screw with the site. 2 out of 300 wouldn't be so bad, but if we ticked somebody off (somebody who was stealing our photos, for example) and they created multiple accounts or got their friends to join and submit meaningless pictures we may have a problem where 10% of the pictures are just wasted time and space. |
If they created multiple accounts, they would be quickly noticed and suspended. If they repeatedly submitted "junk" photos, then I suspect a similar course of action might occur, after a couple of warnings... |
I figured that much, I just wanted to bring to light what Siggi might have been thinking. I find that there's a pack mentality on these forums sometimes and that members are singled out and accused of wasting time, being narrow-minded, etc if they present an unpopular idea. |
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09/23/2004 11:10:47 AM · #74 |
| If you start more than one thread on the same topic, accuse other people of wasting your time and continue to demand that the site function the way you want it to without listening to the reasons why it doesn't, you're pretty much singling yourself out. |
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09/23/2004 11:14:53 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by mk:
If you start more than one thread on the same topic, accuse other people of wasting your time and continue to demand that the site function the way you want it to without listening to the reasons why it doesn't, you're pretty much singling yourself out. |
Agreed, agreed...I was trying to re-present the argument in a more diplomatic manner, as it may become a future concern.
But overall, I think you're right...the pack mentality comes into play mostly when a person ignores the counterpoints presented.
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