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08/19/2004 02:26:08 AM · #1 |
//www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/18/falwell.law.school.ap/index.html
Falwell law school to teach faith and law
Grads could tackle abortion rights, gay marriage
Wednesday, August 18, 2004 Posted: 12:16 PM EDT (1616 GMT)
Falwell hopes to train attorneys to fight for conservative causes.
ROANOKE, Virginia (AP) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell will open a law school this month in hopes of training a generation of attorneys who will fight for conservative causes.
"We want to infiltrate the culture with men and women of God who are skilled in the legal profession," Falwell said in a telephone interview Tuesday with The Associated Press. "We'll be as far to the right as Harvard is to the left."
Graduates of the law school -- part of Falwell's Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, which is affiliated with his Baptist ministry -- could tackle such issues as abortion rights and gay marriage, Falwell said. Classes begin Aug. 23 for the first-year class of 61 law students.
"I'd love to fight Roe v. Wade," said incoming law student Heidi Thompson, 33, a Liberty graduate who has spent the past few years working as a high school counselor in Orlando, Florida.
"I have a long way to go before I find myself in front of the Supreme Court," Thompson said with a laugh. "But I'm hoping through some medical advances and some legal intervention that people can recognize the great wrong that was done" with the decision to legalize abortion.
Falwell said his law school will be similar to its Christian-leaning counterparts like Regent University in Virginia Beach, which religious broadcaster Pat Robertson founded.
Classroom lectures and discussions will fuse the teachings of the Bible with the U.S. Constitution, stressing the connections between faith, law and morality, said law school Dean Bruce Green, who has experience in civil liberties litigation.
"There is a strong need for this," said Green, who believes many of his colleagues take sides on abortion and genetic engineering without first considering what is morally right.
"There are certain views that might carry the day in legal circles that are morally indefensible and at one time was legally indefensible," he said.
"We'll be as far to the right as Harvard is to the left."
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell
Joe Conn, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the law school is part of a crusade by Falwell to get the government to carry out his religious agenda.
"When Falwell talks about using the legal system to advance his personal religious beliefs, I get a whiff of the Taliban," Conn said. "This is a very diverse country with many different religious beliefs, and when you set up a law school to try to get the government and legal system to conform to only one of them, you're leaving everybody else out."
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08/19/2004 04:06:26 AM · #2 |
| it's a private school...don't go there if you don't want to |
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08/19/2004 04:24:37 AM · #3 |
why should they be stopped? simply because their views differ from yours?
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08/19/2004 04:33:28 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
why should they be stopped? simply because their views differ from yours? |
...and they explicitly want to use law to make me conform to their views. Duh.
Message edited by author 2004-08-19 04:33:46.
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08/19/2004 06:23:41 AM · #5 |
Just another way for them to continue brain washing people. That's what I don't like about organized religion, they get to involved in other peoples lives. If I want to have an abortion they should have no say in it.
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08/19/2004 07:41:40 AM · #6 |
Of all the issues they had to touch on they picked abortion for the focus of the article.
I have never had an abortion and have no intentions of ever having one...but if I were raped and got pregnant I would want to have that right to have an abortion, and its thinking like Falwell's that caused such large numbers of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 60s resulting in the woman no longer being able to conceive or worse her death.
As long as abortions are legal they will be preformed with higher standards, make them illegal and the problems will return.
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08/19/2004 09:05:05 AM · #7 |
OH THE OUTRAGE!!!!
Now that I'm done being ridiculous:
1) I hate Falwell as much as 99% of the world.
2) Charles Hamilton Houston, Dean of Howard University School of Law:
"A lawyer's either a social engineer or ... a parasite on society."
It was Charles Houston who taught at Howard and was dean at Howard then recruited all the smart, black lawyers he could to change Plessy v. Ferguson ("separate but equal" for blacks).
Why do we look on it as a "heroic event" that Brown v Board was gallantly fought by top blacks, but if top Christians want to organize, "these men must be stopped"???
3) I'm in no way a 'good christian.' LOL
This kind of post - and thought - makes me wonder if people actually SEE the big picture. Falwell's school may change Roe v Wade. That's nice, but Roe v. Wade isn't actually the law of the land on abortion. Hopefully that law-student-to-be learns that before she gets before the Supreme Court and says "We must overturn Roe!" *laughing*
Good luck Falwell. You'll need it.
M
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08/19/2004 09:22:39 AM · #8 |
Nobody seems to have felt the need to point out that one of the main sources quoted is female yet 'these men must be stopped'
I agree with mavrik though - why should they be stopped ? If they want to attempt to do this, that's a large part of what living in a free society is about - people expressing themselves in ways that you likely disagree with. So I'd support this as much as possible, even though I don't agree with what they are trying to achieve.
I'd also go out of my way not to vote for any of the senators that voted in favour of making flag burning illegal too, though.
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08/19/2004 10:04:52 AM · #9 |
when lawyers are trying to protect ones civil rights and ensure everyone has the same civil rights that one thing and im all for it.
But once lawyers try to change our PERSONAL freedom, I dont like it, and that is what they are trying to do. I dont like organized religion, but I respect ones beliefs and I dont tell them how to live or worship, so they, as a religious person should respect MY beliefs an NOT try to change that.
Im 100% for abortion in CERTAIN situations and feel it still needs to be kept legal for those CERTAIN reasons:
1. problems with fetus that will result in death of fetus and or mother
2. documented rape victims
3. mother that is medically unfit to give birth or raise a child.
I am 100% against having an abortion if the woman just decides she does not want to have a baby. There are many people who can NOT have a child, but will adopt a baby.
I am sure this new breed or "holier than thou" lawyers want to ban ALL abortions regardless of the situation.
James
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08/19/2004 10:08:28 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by jab119:
I am sure this new breed or "holier than thou" lawyers want to ban ALL abortions regardless of the situation.
James |
and they have a perfectly reasonable right to get together to try and make that happen.
As to Christians respecting your belief to not want your opinion changed, that is directly contrary to what many of them believe.
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08/19/2004 10:11:27 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jab119:
when lawyers are trying to protect ones civil rights and ensure everyone has the same civil rights that one thing and im all for it.
But once lawyers try to change our PERSONAL freedom, I dont like it, |
Why do you only support PART of the Constitution?
M
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08/19/2004 10:16:34 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by jab119:
when lawyers are trying to protect ones civil rights and ensure everyone has the same civil rights that one thing and im all for it.
But once lawyers try to change our PERSONAL freedom, I dont like it, |
Why do you only support PART of the Constitution?
M |
what PART are you talking about
James
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08/19/2004 10:19:17 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
As to Christians respecting your belief to not want your opinion changed, that is directly contrary to what many of them believe. |
and that my friend is the # 1 reason i dont like organized religion, I dont want to bug them, but they WONT leave me alone
James
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08/19/2004 10:20:23 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by Gordon:
As to Christians respecting your belief to not want your opinion changed, that is directly contrary to what many of them believe. |
and that my friend is the # 1 reason i dont like organized religion, I dont want to bug them, but they WONT leave me alone
James |
it is how I feel about people in sales too.
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08/19/2004 10:23:50 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by jab119:
when lawyers are trying to protect ones civil rights and ensure everyone has the same civil rights that one thing and im all for it.
But once lawyers try to change our PERSONAL freedom, I dont like it, |
Why do you only support PART of the Constitution?
M |
what PART are you talking about
James |
You said you support civil rights, but you clearly vehemently oppose the right to free speech, right to assemble, and other "personal" rights - but they are MORE a part of the Constitution than the "right to privacy" many think they have.
M
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08/19/2004 10:32:33 AM · #16 |
I realize free this free that, they can be religious lawyers if they want.
But for the love of god, canĂ¢€™t someone just assassinate the bastards?!?
Its like we are trying to move forward in our thinking, to try and catch up with our technology and then we have these little rodents constantly snipping at our heels to keep us back.
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08/19/2004 10:34:51 AM · #17 |
Message edited by author 2004-10-20 01:45:58. |
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08/19/2004 10:37:31 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
You said you support civil rights, but you clearly vehemently oppose the right to free speech, right to assemble, and other "personal" rights - but they are MORE a part of the Constitution than the "right to privacy" many think they have.
M |
Free speech is one thing and i support it, but changing my life is another, and thats what they are trying to do.
do you want more control of your own life?? or do you want to be told HOW you will live your life?
James
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08/19/2004 10:43:42 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by jab119:
But changing my life is another, and thats what they are trying to do.
do you want more control of your own life?? or do you want to be told HOW you will live your life?
James |
Do you ...
Oye. (Wonders if this may be pointless)
Ok, listen: the law changes EVERY YEAR. The Supreme Court modifies law. Congress introduces THOUSANDS of new laws a year.
People are already ALREADY changing YOUR LIFE on a daily basis and unless they say they are changing it because of their belief in God, you DONT GIVE A SHIT.
If I don't want to be told something, I'll go try and change it my own damned self. I HAVE a law degree. I have chosen to empower myself and if I hated Roe v. Wade with a bloody passion, I'd set my own damned life about to change it. I don't GIVE a rat's ass how they determine the future of Roe - ROE IS NOT EVEN THE LAW IN THE US.
Ok? Does any of that make any sense to you? Congress. Changes. Your. Life. Every. Year. You. Do. Not. Care. Some. Of. Those. Congressmen. Do. It. Because. Of. Their. Religion. Who. Is. Your. Congressman?
M
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08/19/2004 11:07:20 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by jab119:
But changing my life is another, and thats what they are trying to do.
do you want more control of your own life?? or do you want to be told HOW you will live your life?
James |
Do you ...
Oye. (Wonders if this may be pointless)
Ok, listen: the law changes EVERY YEAR. The Supreme Court modifies law. Congress introduces THOUSANDS of new laws a year.
People are already ALREADY changing YOUR LIFE on a daily basis and unless they say they are changing it because of their belief in God, you DONT GIVE A SHIT.
If I don't want to be told something, I'll go try and change it my own damned self. I HAVE a law degree. I have chosen to empower myself and if I hated Roe v. Wade with a bloody passion, I'd set my own damned life about to change it. I don't GIVE a rat's ass how they determine the future of Roe - ROE IS NOT EVEN THE LAW IN THE US.
Ok? Does any of that make any sense to you? Congress. Changes. Your. Life. Every. Year. You. Do. Not. Care. Some. Of. Those. Congressmen. Do. It. Because. Of. Their. Religion. Who. Is. Your. Congressman?
M |
Iam not against them because of their religious back ground.
No I dont like how the supreme court and congress makes changes to my life, they do it sneaky and underhandedly, they hide laws within other laws and so on so many go unseen/unnoticed because the documents are a nightmare to read, which im sure you are aware of. I can NOT keep up with all the changes which im sure you cant either since there are so many each year.
my congressman is Chris Bell, yes I have written to my congressman in the past.
Yes it is seeming pointless to argue this, but hey someone has to do it.
James
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08/19/2004 11:22:46 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
...wackaloons... |
My new word of the day... thanks Mick! ;o)
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08/19/2004 11:44:33 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by jab119:
my congressman is Chris Bell, yes I have written to my congressman in the past.
Yes it is seeming pointless to argue this, but hey someone has to do it.
James |
My only small contributions to politics at least in the UK was quite successful. I wrote (paper, pen, real life) my MP a resonably articulate (at least in my head) letter on issues around electronic privacy laws and she actually phoned me up and we had a quite long discussion about it. We had different opinions both at the start and end, but I felt I at least educated her about my views and also felt she actually listened in some cases and disagreed in others.
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08/19/2004 11:49:53 AM · #23 |
Falwell's start of a law school to promote legal change in the US of Christian values is not new and is part of an ongoing campaign by the Christrian right to shove their ideas of religion and how to live life down our throats and turn our republic/democracy into a theocracy.
Here's a couple of web sites that describe what's happened already and some of the groups and organizations that have members that are part of congress and other high ranking government officials.
Article 1
Article 2
This is yet another example in the US where small groups of people, like the big corporations, try to accumulate power to further their political, religious and business rights at the expense of all the other people in the country. The religous right has been able to accumulate influence political leaders, elections and high ranking governemnt officials through the monies they have accumulated (Pat Robertson is one of the wealthiest of individuals in the US) and by access to large poplations of people in their parishes, churches, TV audiences. They provide politicians campaigning for votes almost guaranteed markets for peddling their messages, if they agree with the Christian Right's views. The Christian Right leaders appeal to their audiences with political and religious messages.
It's not about god, it's about accumulation of wealth and power, for these people. |
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08/19/2004 11:52:27 AM · #24 |
| As far as I'm concerned, let Jerry do his thing. He's an extremist. They exist on both sides. There are equally extreme liberals as well. |
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08/19/2004 11:55:02 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
As far as I'm concerned, let Jerry do his thing. He's an extremist. They exist on both sides. There are equally extreme liberals as well. |
Who would you consider an extreme liberal? |
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