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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:14:10 PM · #1 | 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:16:13 PM · #2 | 
		| | Hmmm, looks a lot like the 10d. Interesting to see an EF-S lens on it. | 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:22:53 PM · #3 | 
		| | Cool.  The flash is up higher than the 10D, too. 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:25:57 PM · #4 | 
		| | Just a stupid question, why do any of you 10D owners care about an on camera flash?  I was kinda hoping for a complete removal of the on-board flash.  I mean, if you're spending that much on a body only, what's $200-300 more for a decent external flash? | 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:29:26 PM · #5 | 
		| | I have not one used the on camera flash! And the 550 is about 400 bux, but worth every penny! 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:31:46 PM · #6 | 
		| | | Originally posted by bledford: Just a stupid question, why do any of you 10D owners care about an on camera flash?  I was kinda hoping for a complete removal of the on-board flash.  I mean, if you're spending that much on a body only, what's $200-300 more for a decent external flash?
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 I was just noting the difference.  I almost never use flash.  I'm still fairly new to the whole SLR thing so I haven't invested in any external flashes.  Working on learning other aspects of the camera first.  Besides, I have other things on my wishlist. :-)
 
 Edit:  Noted the difference because I've heard others complain the flash is low.
 
 Message edited by author 2004-08-17 23:33:46.
 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:31:56 PM · #7 | 
		| | | Originally posted by bledford: Just a stupid question, why do any of you 10D owners care about an on camera flash?  I was kinda hoping for a complete removal of the on-board flash.  I mean, if you're spending that much on a body only, what's $200-300 more for a decent external flash?
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 I agree, that little POS excuse for a flash would be better off gone altogether. I have used it exactly once, saw how crappy the results were and never have used it again.
 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:34:49 PM · #8 | 
		| | It does look VERY close to my 10 d Ya sure that they didnt just change the # on the pic??
 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:35:20 PM · #9 | 
		| | I;ve never used the on camera flash since i have a 550! However, I wouldn't sell my 10D for this, seems like a upgraded 300D not an upgraded 10D | 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:37:04 PM · #10 | 
		| | | Originally posted by parrothead: It does look VERY close to my 10 d
 Ya sure that they didnt just change the # on the pic??
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 No one knows for sure but this is the most convincing pic i've seen. The back pic shows the most changes.
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:39:08 PM · #11 | 
		| | now that I look at it closer, I guess its a bit different, But I LOVE MY 10D!!!!!! 
 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:44:16 PM · #12 | 
		| | | Originally posted by bledford: Just a stupid question, why do any of you 10D owners care about an on camera flash?  I was kinda hoping for a complete removal of the on-board flash.  I mean, if you're spending that much on a body only, what's $200-300 more for a decent external flash?
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 It's a very nice convenience to have on the camera when you want to shoot a flash shot.  I don't know about every other 10D owner, but I shoot a lot of simple snapshots and that flash is an extreme convenience and I would hate to see it go.
 
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			|  | 08/17/2004 11:56:14 PM · #13 | 
		| | While the oncamera flash is certainly not as versatile as the 550 flash which I just bought, I have learned to use it. You can adjust the brightness of the flash on the camera to add just a slight fill to a flash that is usually too much for the kind of pictures I am trying to do.  I have to make similar adjustments to the settings with my 550 flash, but I only bought it a short while ago and so I am still learning to use it. | 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 12:02:57 AM · #14 | 
		| | PS-ed 20D??????????? 
 after some snooping
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			|  | 08/18/2004 12:11:26 AM · #15 | 
		| | | Originally posted by bledford: Just a stupid question, why do any of you 10D owners care about an on camera flash?  I was kinda hoping for a complete removal of the on-board flash.  I mean, if you're spending that much on a body only, what's $200-300 more for a decent external flash?
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 The flash isn't just for low light situations, I find the on-camera flash even more useful in bright daylight. It's great for fill lighting in backlit situations and it's great for adding that extra sparkle to a subject's eyes. That includes wildlife photography where adding that extra catch light to the eyes can really improve the photo.
 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 01:30:13 AM · #16 | 
		| | Here's waiting for a EOS-3D. | 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 01:38:09 AM · #17 | 
		| | Ignorong any discussion of the 20D in particular .... 
 I very very seldom use the built in flash, but would absolutely hate to see it go.
 
 Sometimes I do not want to lug additional equipment about, maybe if I am just out an about with friends, at a party maybe.  I just want a small lens on the camera and slip it into the smallest carry case I can fir it in, a small snoop (snoot, whatever) bag.  In these instances, typically for snapshots, I would not want to have to ahve a larger bag for the external flash, or have to attach it when I go to use it, and then oops, no longer fits in the bag again.
 
 I think the built in flash has it's place for snapshots at the very least.
 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 02:26:45 AM · #18 | 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 02:28:44 AM · #19 | 
		| | Whats the spec's ... does anyone know yet ...? | 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 02:32:07 AM · #20 | 
		| | Did anyone else notice that EFS 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM?? 
 I wonder will it be a kit lens? (oops. here i am... starting rumours...)
 
 EDIT: And is that a joystick on the back, above the rear wheel?
 
 Message edited by author 2004-08-18 02:33:25.
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			|  | 08/18/2004 02:37:52 AM · #21 | 
		| | I was just going through the Canon website and in the product search they are showing an EOS D2000.  Did they have that before?  I've never even heard of it. 
 June
 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 02:38:28 AM · #22 | 
		| | From another photoweb site; 
 EOS-20D
 8.2 MegaPixels
 DIGIC II
 1:1.6x Crop
 9 Point focusing
 1/8000s Max Shutter speed
 5fps Continuous speed
 25 frame buffer
 EF-s support
 E-TTL II support
 0.2sec startup time
 50g lighter than 10D (which might mean a plastic body but I don't think so...)
 
 Price US$1600 RRP
 (Street price should be closer to 1300 they say)
 
 August 20 - Announcement
 September 20 - On Sale
 
 Also 2 Lenses will be announced at launch of 20D
 EF-s 10-22mm /f 3.5-4.5
 EF-s 17-85mm /f 4-5.6 IS (Will be sold with 20D also like the 300D)
 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 03:36:20 AM · #23 | 
		| | | Originally posted by chiqui74: I was just going through the Canon website and in the product search they are showing an EOS D2000.  Did they have that before?  I've never even heard of it.
 
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 It was one of the first dSLR's from Canon. Very expensive.
 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 03:56:17 AM · #24 | 
		| | They hve also announced the G6 as well.  That is prolly going to interest the non-slr crew. 
 //www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/photokit_PowerShotG6.html
 
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			|  | 08/18/2004 06:01:58 AM · #25 | 
		| | Well, the 20D is nice and all, but the 10-22mm lens is more interesting, IMHO. It is very clever little lens, both technically and market-wise. It is an EF-S lens, so you have to get a whole new camera for it, if you don't own the 300D. I would like to know its price and performance. 16-35mm eq. focus length, it would almost be worth it to get a 300D just to use it. (Yeah, and I have a money growin tree in my yard!) J.
 
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