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08/10/2004 12:17:41 AM · #1 |
Just a couple pics of my 2 snakes.
My Ball getting ready to attack.
Jungle Carpet. This one hangs down from the branches in her cage and will strike, constrict and eat all while hanging upside down.
Critique's, thoughts, screams?
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08/10/2004 12:33:07 AM · #2 |
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08/10/2004 01:18:47 AM · #3 |
Poor mouse nothing...give that snake another mouse...
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08/10/2004 02:22:58 AM · #4 |
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08/10/2004 02:29:50 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
i think its sad... |
What's sad about it? That the mouse died, or that the snake lived? |
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08/10/2004 02:51:49 AM · #6 |
| Nice looking snakes you got there. I just got 2 new tiny corn snakes. They eat pinkies at this point so it's not nearly as exciting to photograph. I can't wait for them to get big, although they probably won't be getting as big as yours. :) |
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08/10/2004 09:15:52 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
i think its sad... |
What's sad about nature's order? What I think is sad is people who think they know better than nature. |
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08/10/2004 09:24:10 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
i think its sad... |
Statements like this, regarding situations as depicted here remind me of that one great 'Tool' song off of Undertow, track 69, the only name I can think of for it is 'This is Necesary'.
Life, feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life.
Think about that for a second.
The act of life consuming life is a perfect unbroken circle, until you get to humans. The tiniest of bacteria are fed on by slightly large creatures, which in turn are fed on by slightly larger creatures on and on up the chain. Even the largest of creatures are eventually consumed by the smallest of bacteria, continuing the circle once more. The same thing happens in the plant kingdom.
There is simply no method of getting away from consuming something else that is or once lived, be it plant or animal. Even if you stick to a vegetarian diet, you end up consuming something that may have consumed animal matter and if you count bacteria and other microbal life forms as animal, then you end up consuming animals everyday. It's not something that any human can escape, until death.
That is an unbroken chain that has lasted for millions upon millions of years and will continue for millions upon millions of more years.
Message edited by author 2004-08-10 09:27:23.
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08/10/2004 11:11:55 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Poor mouse nothing...give that snake another mouse... |
ROTFL!!! |
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08/10/2004 11:41:59 AM · #10 |
Bmatt - I would suggest trying to get shots of your snakes without using the flash (or such harsh lighting). Try to set up a softer ambient light so you won't get the glare. It's distracting and gets in the way.
The second shot is much better than the first. There's too much open space with the ball - all that open space between the snake and the mouse. You know?
The second one really does have a tight subject. But, that flash/light is just too glaring. Shoot for more like the second, but try it without the flash. Let the camera hold the shot a little longer. That's what I would try to do if I had snakes as beautiful as those...
...And I would absolutely feed them live mice, as well!!! Snakes need the exercise!
-bacchus
Message edited by author 2004-08-10 11:44:00.
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08/10/2004 11:56:57 AM · #11 |
I don̢۪t believe that the people who have commented about the emotionality of this event to be commenting on the natural order of things. I think they know what the natural order is, but for them they are sensitive to the emotions of all creatures, great and small, and can see life from the perspective of another creature, especially the prey. They may feel equal anguish for the snake if it were up against similar odds from incompatible weather or lack of sustenance, although I think it̢۪s harder to feel empathy for a cold-blooded animal. Imo, this is laudable and says a lot about their humanity. Besides, this given situation is far removed from nature. The mouse doesn̢۪t have the chance to escape.
Why is it so hard for human beings to develop empathy for other creatures? I̢۪m sure you would have empathy for a loved relative if they were in similar circumstances or a pet.
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08/10/2004 12:02:50 PM · #12 |
I know its all about the food chain and what not, but its still sad when something dies, especially when you see it in a photograph..
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08/10/2004 12:19:41 PM · #13 |
This really is getting kind of funny. I respect people who choose to not eat meat. To say it's "not natural" is a bit crazed, however. It's very natural to eat meat. Look at your teeth.
A mouse is very much standard prey for most constrictors. So it goes.
A purchased mouse being fed to a snake in a cage is not natural. But really, neither is keeping a snake in a cage. No more so than a horse in a field eating hay is natural. No more than a bird in a cage being fed seed is natural. Nor is a cat eating Tuna catfood natural. Nor is a dog eating dogfood natural... Nor is a person eating a Whopper natural. Nor is a person eating KFC, McDonald's, Wendy's, or any food product raised for the commercial distribution and/or sale at any grocery store anywhere in the world...
Ultimately, if we keep stepping back, we should feel sorry for the snake, right? After all, it's our prey? We've destroyed its habitat... We've enslaved it... Right? And how about the dogs and cats. Hell, we've bred them (especially the dogs) to be subservient to us. To depend on us. They're at our mercy.
Yeah, yeah, I'm rambling. And with all due respect, I apologize. Not trying to throw stones in a glass internet... But the idea of "natural order" has pretty much been rendered moot by the human species (specifically, 'western civilization'). The natural order is that alligators can and occassionally do eat people. But when this happens, we hunt any alligator in the area down and annihilate them. Some sharks can and occassionally do bite people. Again, we wack'em down. Why is the shark/gator/whatever the villain? Because even though we're invading its territory, it's still our territory. Always our. Natural Order?
So, yeah - I dig if people want to feel sorry for the mouse.
Some might argue that we live in the prison of culture. I don't want to go all Foucault here, but I look at that snake eating a mouse and it feels a helluva lot more natural than a kid eating gruel in a school cafeteria or somebody heading through the Burger King drivethrough window for their King Sized Double Whopper with an extra load of bacon added on top. You know?
Just a few ramblings and muses in a thread that doesn't seem to be talking about photography as such, but rather the philosophy behind feeding a snake a living creature rather than a mass-produced, processed, ground up clump of creatures served in a microwavable bag and sold in Wal-Mart.
- again, sorry!
-bacchus.
Message edited by author 2004-08-10 12:28:40.
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08/10/2004 12:20:55 PM · #14 |
Very interesting conecpt but not so interesting shots. I'd like to see more frames in the series and the on cam flash really renders the images flat.
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08/10/2004 12:34:28 PM · #15 |
| i used to get really emotional when feeding my cousins to snakes. eventually i got past it. |
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08/10/2004 01:35:12 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
i used to get really emotional when feeding my cousins to snakes. eventually i got past it. |
which side--the mice, or the rats? :) |
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08/10/2004 01:49:28 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
i used to get really emotional when feeding my cousins to snakes. eventually i got past it. |
Yeah, but was that emotion joy or sadness??!!!? |
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08/10/2004 02:13:23 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Alecia:
Originally posted by Pedro:
i used to get really emotional when feeding my cousins to snakes. eventually i got past it. |
which side--the mice, or the rats? :) |
not certain...but they were all over 5'2". |
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08/10/2004 02:23:26 PM · #19 |
| but then you ran out of cousins? |
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08/10/2004 02:26:22 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by pcody:
but then you ran out of cousins? |
sounds more like he choked his snake to death on those gargantuan cousins of his. ;) |
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