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08/06/2004 11:47:11 AM · #26 |
laurielblack...So very well said, and your expertise demands an attentive ear. :-)
P.S.
Obviously my "Titanic/Ark" analogy has no reflection on you!
Message edited by author 2004-08-06 11:49:09.
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08/06/2004 11:50:24 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
Perhaps Gordon is right - there ought to be some qualification system in order to become a parent. |
Just to be clear - I never suggested that that was my view.
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08/06/2004 11:52:18 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
There can't be anyone alive who doesn't know from a young age that smoking leads to all kinds of horrible health problems yet smoking is as prevalent as ever in youngsters who are young enough to have heard and read the health information on smoking ALL THEIR LIVES. |
That's because until about the age of 21, you are immortal.
Stuff that happens to you when you are 30 or 40 is never going to happen. It's an enternity until you are allowed to drive a car, never mind get lung cancer in some other lifetime.
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08/06/2004 11:57:38 AM · #29 |
Absolutely fascinating read...and such a sad state of affairs. Thanks for the link. Our district's counselors will be getting this article during inservice this year as food for thought.
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08/06/2004 11:59:03 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
New York Times Sunday Magazine
Whatever Happened to Teen Romance (And What is a Friend with Benefits, Anyway?): Friends, Friends with Benefits, and the Benefits of the Local Mall.
//www.benoitdenizetlewis.com/content/Teen_Romance_NYTimes.pdf
Award winning article by Benoit Denizet-Lewis on teen sexuality in this day in age. Its upsetting what our culture of sex, lack of parenting and constant bombardment of hormones and steroids in our meat, cheese and milk (causing kids to hit puberty much sooner) has done to our youth. |
Wow. What an eye-opener too.
So, how is it that I, as a parent, can teach my children about love and relationships and responsibility and as they relate to sex when out of my home, they will be faced with other kids who are merely "hooking up"?
Jeez. I better stop the generalized statements now, and get to the nitty gritty with them.. okay with one of them.. the other is only 8 yrs. old. I can only hope he can have a couple more years of childhood. :( |
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08/06/2004 12:03:26 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Perhaps Gordon is right - there ought to be some qualification system in order to become a parent. |
Just to be clear - I never suggested that that was my view. |
Well I agree with it anyways.
In the past 14 years, earth's human population increased 20%, over 1 billion people. |
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08/06/2004 12:07:18 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Perhaps Gordon is right - there ought to be some qualification system in order to become a parent. |
Just to be clear - I never suggested that that was my view. |
Well I agree with it anyways.
In the past 14 years, earth's human population increased 20%, over 1 billion people. |
The original context was government mandated public ingestation of contraception via the water supply. I don't particularly subscribe to that view.
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08/06/2004 12:32:50 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Absolutely fascinating read...and such a sad state of affairs. Thanks for the link. Our district's counselors will be getting this article during inservice this year as food for thought. |
Yes it is an interesting article. I actually stumbled across that article months ago on a random search for teen birth statistics and I saved it. Reading this post brought it back to my memory.
Also, thank you laurielblack for your incite and for the service you do.
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08/06/2004 12:38:07 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Also, thank you laurielblack for your incite and for the service you do. |
To quote 'The Princess Bride' You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Laurie has been doing a good job providing insight, without inciting a riot...
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08/06/2004 12:38:20 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Perhaps Gordon is right - there ought to be some qualification system in order to become a parent. |
Just to be clear - I never suggested that that was my view. |
Well I agree with it anyways.
In the past 14 years, earth's human population increased 20%, over 1 billion people. |
The original context was government mandated public ingestation of contraception via the water supply. I don't particularly subscribe to that view. |
That is a bit extreme, but maybe giving out birth control in the mail to all who are interested in using it but cant afford it or for whatever reason dont use it. Giving out condoms too for that matter. |
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08/06/2004 12:40:12 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Perhaps temporary, reversable, enforced castration might help. |
Well, you might mean a reversible vasectomy. I suggested the same thing (jokingly) to my life partner some time ago.
Your modest proposal of temporary castration is much funnier. |
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08/06/2004 12:44:08 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Also, thank you laurielblack for your incite and for the service you do. |
To quote 'The Princess Bride' You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Laurie has been doing a good job providing insight, without inciting a riot... |
haha. Thanks Gordon, Im a horrible speller and I had gotten sick of catching flack for always spelling stuff wrong, so now I copy/paste my post into Word and spell check before I post now and it tricked me! |
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08/06/2004 12:45:14 PM · #38 |
Are you guys talking about US State or Afganistan?
Sounds like Taliban is in charge in Texas :-) |
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08/06/2004 12:51:06 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Kavey:
There can't be anyone alive who doesn't know from a young age that smoking leads to all kinds of horrible health problems yet smoking is as prevalent as ever in youngsters who are young enough to have heard and read the health information on smoking ALL THEIR LIVES. |
That's because until about the age of 21, you are immortal.
Stuff that happens to you when you are 30 or 40 is never going to happen. It's an enternity until you are allowed to drive a car, never mind get lung cancer in some other lifetime. |
Exactly the point I was making. Youth has no real perception of mortality - especially not their own...
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08/06/2004 01:56:57 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Your modest proposal of temporary castration is much funnier. |
It would really take someone with the balls to go through with it though.
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08/06/2004 01:59:38 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
haha. Thanks Gordon, Im a horrible speller and I had gotten sick of catching flack for always spelling stuff wrong, so now I copy/paste my post into Word and spell check before I post now and it tricked me! |
Sorry - I wasn't meaning to be impolite - but it was too funny a malapropism to let pass.
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08/06/2004 02:06:37 PM · #42 |
I wouldn't be against a law that requires people to get a permit to have a child. In order to obtain a permit the person, or couple, would have to provide proof that they have at least a reasonable expectation of being able to support the child until it matures. Violations of the permit law should result in severe penalties--severe enough to provide a major deterrent to breaking such a law. After all, what harms society more, pot smoking, or unprepared people bringing new children into the world?
I realize it may sound draconian, but eventually we'll have to do something. Otherwise, some day we'll be fighting major wars over food and other resources. The Earth can only support a finite number of humans.
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08/06/2004 02:08:16 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
I wouldn't be against a law that requires people to get a permit to have a child. In order to obtain a permit the person, or couple, would have to provide proof that they have at least a reasonable expectation of being able to support the child until it matures. Violations of the permit law should result in severe penalties--severe enough to provide a major deterrent to breaking such a law. After all, what harms society more, pot smoking, or unprepared people bringing new children into the world?
I realize it may sound draconian, but eventually we'll have to do something. Otherwise, some day we'll be fighting major wars over food and other resources. The Earth can only support a finite number of humans. |
I don't know that this very successful in China...
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08/06/2004 02:11:14 PM · #44 |
A related side story, a few of my friends back in high school were Arnold wannabes. They both started using steroids. When they heard it would make them bald they kept doing it, when they heard it caused acne they kept doing it, when they heard it caused health problems they kept doing it, but when they heard it makes their penis shrink they quit instantly!
Funny how the young male mind works.
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08/06/2004 02:25:40 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
After all, what harms society more, pot smoking, or unprepared people bringing new children into the world?
I realize it may sound draconian, but eventually we'll have to do something. Otherwise, some day we'll be fighting major wars over food and other resources. The Earth can only support a finite number of humans. |
Here Here, well said. |
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08/06/2004 02:28:33 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by micknewton:
I wouldn't be against a law that requires people to get a permit to have a child. In order to obtain a permit the person, or couple, would have to provide proof that they have at least a reasonable expectation of being able to support the child until it matures. Violations of the permit law should result in severe penalties--severe enough to provide a major deterrent to breaking such a law. After all, what harms society more, pot smoking, or unprepared people bringing new children into the world?
I realize it may sound draconian, but eventually we'll have to do something. Otherwise, some day we'll be fighting major wars over food and other resources. The Earth can only support a finite number of humans. |
I don't know that this very successful in China... |
It wasn̢۪t like that in China. They simply killed there children or aborted until they had a boy, since they are only aloud 1.
Im not saying people should only be aloud 1 kid, im more thinking it would be much more logical to simply confine human baby births to adults who are wanting, ready and able for the responsibility. |
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08/06/2004 03:04:39 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Otherwise, some day we'll be fighting major wars over food and other resources. The Earth can only support a finite number of humans. |
So do you support the notion of NPG (Negative Population Growth) [organization web site here] or ZPG (Zero Population Growth) [organization web site here]?
If you think about it, NPG basically means less than two children per married couple on average. (Which of course gets complicated by the high divorce rate, unwed mothers, etc.) ZPG means no more than one child per person (so two per married couple) on average, but is complicated by the same issues...
Message edited by author 2004-08-06 15:10:57. |
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08/06/2004 03:11:34 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Otherwise, some day we'll be fighting major wars over food and other resources. The Earth can only support a finite number of humans. |
So do you support the notion of NPG (Negative Population Growth) [organization web site here] or ZPG (Zero Population Growth) [organization web site here]?
NPG basically means one child per married couple. (Which of course gets complicated by the high divorce rate, unwed mothers, etc.) ZPG means no more than one child per person (so two per married couple), but is complicated by the same issues... |
If your a big nature lover, this may be your way of choice: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement "May we live long and die out" |
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08/06/2004 03:38:30 PM · #49 |
No, unfortunately I don't know enough about either group to be able to say that I support their views. I just think that it's time we (the people of the world) started thinking and taking intelligent steps towards controlling the size of the world̢۪s population. Eventually, something will control it, and that something could be quite horrible indeed. I would prefer that we do it ourselves in an intelligent, safe, and humane manner.
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08/06/2004 05:13:54 PM · #50 |
I read the article and as a parent I honestly would much rather see planned parenthood taught than rather just skipping over the whole subject entirely.
My little guy might only be 8 but I would much rather have a well informed kid who is responsible in all ways than hiding the facts from him. I dread having a 13 or 14 year old boy coming to me and asking me to buy him condoms but on the same note I would much rather deal with the issues than sweep them under the rug and end up seeing his future ruined by an unplanned teen pregnancy or possible worse.
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