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07/22/2004 06:09:38 PM · #1 |
Should I buy a Canon EOS-10D now, or should I wait a while to see if Canon will introduce something newer that could drive the price of the 10D down a little bit? Or maybe they will replace it with something a little better in it's price range. Does anybody have any insight on the future of the 10D? I really want one now, but I'm not sure if it wouldn't be a wise decision to wait a little longer.
Decisions / Decisions... Ugghh!
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07/22/2004 06:12:48 PM · #2 |
I love my 10D and highly recommend it! To find out what Canon is doing, try going to //www.canonusa.com and find a phone number. That have some 800 numbers. The tech I talked to when I had a question about my 10D was REALLY helpful and informative about the company. He said that when new products come out, they are trained on them before the products hit the market, so that they are prepared. So, they would know!!!
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07/22/2004 06:16:44 PM · #3 |
this has come up a few times over at DPreview in the Canon 10D-D60-D30 Talk forum
if you search you will see many threads on this, here is one search result .replacement for 10d
James
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07/22/2004 06:54:04 PM · #4 |
The price already has come down about $250 in the past few months which is awesome. When I was looking in January they were $1999 plus tax [CND funds] and now you can get them in Calgary for $1750.
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07/22/2004 06:59:13 PM · #5 |
Paul Pope (a pretty reliable source at dpreview.com's 1D/1DMK2/1Ds forum who had pre info about the Mk2 and tested it in the pre-production phase) just said 9 hours ago that the new 10D will be announced at/around Photokina in Germany (September) and that the production has started up to be able to have it in the stores in October/November. (disclaimer: I am only saying what he is saying and I cannot and do not know for certain that he is right and I am a bit biased because I am waiting for this camera)
No details about the camera itself yet; You can expect anything between a mild update like new AF & Digic2 and a completely new camera with a new CMOS. More reliable rumors in August, Canon can't keep it secret for long now that a lot of people are working on the cameras.
There will also be a new 1Ds, with a new CMOS. There could also be a new Nikon.
But October/November is a long time away. If you need a good camera now, buy it now.
Oooww it's good to be back. :)
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07/22/2004 08:10:11 PM · #6 |
If you are always waiting for the next great thing, you'll spend all your time waiting and none of it shooting with your new camera.
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07/22/2004 08:41:06 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If you are always waiting for the next great thing, you'll spend all your time waiting and none of it shooting with your new camera. |
I agree, spaz. You will always regret buying your camera and hoping you'd waited another (x) months time for the next version. |
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07/22/2004 08:46:56 PM · #8 |
If I was ready to buy today, I would not hesitate to buy a 10d. When you look at the features this camera has, there is not a whole lot more they could really offer you without stepping up to the mark2, and the features offered there are quite expensive.
Some features that could/may be upgraded in a 10d replacement would be:
Faster buffer
Higher resolution
I don't really know what else
This camera has an excellent feature set.
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07/22/2004 08:51:20 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Paul Pope (a pretty reliable source at dpreview.com's 1D/1DMK2/1Ds forum who had pre info about the Mk2 and tested it in the pre-production phase) just said 9 hours ago that the new 10D will be announced at/around Photokina in Germany (September) and that the production has started up to be able to have it in the stores in October/November. (disclaimer: I am only saying what he is saying and I cannot and do not know for certain that he is right and I am a bit biased because I am waiting for this camera)
No details about the camera itself yet; You can expect anything between a mild update like new AF & Digic2 and a completely new camera with a new CMOS. More reliable rumors in August, Canon can't keep it secret for long now that a lot of people are working on the cameras.
There will also be a new 1Ds, with a new CMOS. There could also be a new Nikon.
But October/November is a long time away. If you need a good camera now, buy it now.
Oooww it's good to be back. :) |
What do you think the chances are that the new 10D will have a larger, perhaps even full size, CMOS chip? If it does, then I'll have a 10D for sale.
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07/22/2004 08:51:58 PM · #10 |
Buy the camera right now..
buy really good lens...
any camera you buy, will be ridicoulous feature wise in 3 years... you will get another one... and still keep your lens....
ciao |
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07/22/2004 08:52:06 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
If I was ready to buy today, I would not hesitate to buy a 10d. When you look at the features this camera has, there is not a whole lot more they could really offer you without stepping up to the mark2, and the features offered there are quite expensive.
Some features that could/may be upgraded in a 10d replacement would be:
Faster buffer
Higher resolution
I don't really know what else
This camera has an excellent feature set. |
Spot meter.
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07/22/2004 08:55:58 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
If I was ready to buy today, I would not hesitate to buy a 10d. When you look at the features this camera has, there is not a whole lot more they could really offer you without stepping up to the mark2, and the features offered there are quite expensive.
Some features that could/may be upgraded in a 10d replacement would be:
Faster buffer
Higher resolution
I don't really know what else
This camera has an excellent feature set. |
Sensor crop factor
AF quality/ accuracy
AF point selection
AF tracking
faster image processing (e.g., DIGIC-II)
Better E-TTL
All things that could do with improving...
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07/22/2004 09:49:25 PM · #13 |
If they're going to upgrade the ETTL, wouldn't they boost it to the
latest version as present on the MkII - ETTL II?
But really, you want to take great photos? I don't know that you
necessarily need the latest and greatest. This guy is my latest
favorite photographer - working with a D30 and "consumer" lenses:
28-105 and 50/1.8:
(lingerie and fashion shots and such - to warn you):
www.roleychiu.com
An "amateur" no less. Well, at least he's not doing the photo gig as a job.
Makes me think I might just have to pick up a D30 :)
Oh, and to answer your question: definitely. I plan on picking up a second
body very soon indeed.
Message edited by author 2004-07-22 21:51:26. |
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07/22/2004 09:59:37 PM · #14 |
Just to give a contrasting opinion -
If you do not have to purchase now, and are comfortable waiting a little longer, I would hold out for the successor ot the 10D. There are some good indicators (like price drops on the 10D) that there may be a replacment before Christmas.
Look at it this way - the D30 was announced in May of 2000. 23 months later the D60 was announced. only 12 months after that the 10D came out.
The 10D has now been out for about 17 months, so there is a good chance that there will be something new soon.
I bought my D60 for roughly $2200, the going rate at the time. The 10D was out some 4 months later at only $1500 for a better feature set. In retrospect, I do wish I had waited a few months, and could have done so. I am not saying to wait on the fence forever, but there is some merit in hitting a product like this early in the cycle, not later. Just my opinion. |
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07/22/2004 10:07:40 PM · #15 |
10% spot is more than enuff for me and I like the 1.6x crop factor of the sensor size. That extends my telephoto very nicely and I have wide angle covered with a 12-24mm lens.
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07/23/2004 06:31:03 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
What do you think the chances are that the new 10D will have a larger, perhaps even full size, CMOS chip? If it does, then I'll have a 10D for sale. |
At this time nobody can say for sure.
On one hand you could argue that the demand for digital SLR's is so great that the increased scale of production reduces the cost per body. That way it could be economically feasible to have a current 10D-like body with the more expensive 1.3x crop 8mp sensor from the 1D Mk2 (and improved mirror/prism/viewfinder that comes with the larger sensor) at the pricepoint of the 10D or even the D70.
On the other hand you might see a cheaper 1.6x crop sensor with more mp and an improved body. But Canon has said in the past that its aim is not to have a DX sensor line but to get full frame all over the range. At this moment in time I think that a FF chip is a bit too expensive.
Personally I'd prefer a 1.3x sensor, be it 6mp, 8mp or 12mp. It would be a fine balance between wide-angle usability and using the optimum centre part of the lenses. I also expect a big improvement because the market is still in a stage where it is very important to get a big market share and to play the market very agressively. But that is just what I would do.
Using the 1D Mk2 sensor does not make it a direct competitor of that Mk2 because the speed, buffer, weather sealing, viewfinder and strength of the body of the Mk2 has its own market.
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07/29/2004 10:14:40 PM · #17 |
Many thanks to everyone who provided some input to my question. I am happy to annouce that I finally bit the bullet and ordered a 10D. I bought it from buydig.com who has a killer price compared to other sites. I ordered the camera (Body Only, I have a lens from my EOS 7E to get me started)on Saturday and it was in my greedy little hands the following Wednesday (Standard shipping). I also decided to go with a SanDisk Ultra II 1.0GB CompactFlash which I'm very happy with. I got the CF card exactly $100 less than if I had bought it at Best Buy! Whoot Whoot! Now, back to the manual, I gotta get used to the new features now at my disposal. :)
Message edited by author 2004-07-29 22:16:10. |
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07/29/2004 11:13:25 PM · #18 |
From a non knowers pov.
The 300D was basically the 10D with limitations, the MK2 was an upgrade at about the same time...
The next best thing will probably be a 8M+ 10D replacement, with a 300D replacement about 1-4 months later.
I dont think there will be a full frame sensor upgrade to the 10D model, but it will be upgraded pixel wise.
Within a short time however I think the 1DS will be upgraded to a higher pixel count, probably on a par or cheaper than the current 1DS... if they can reduce the fail rate per platter; probably between 15 to 20 MPS.
The 8MP's that are currently hitting the market will have stabalised, and the bugs ironed out, and probably second generation will have reduced the noise enough to reach acceptable dSLR levels.
Crop factor wise, its anyones guess... will they go for a larger format (1.?) over 1.6 or will they stick with 1.6 but a much larger MP.
I think with canon as they have invested in the special lenses that reach further back in the camera (cant remember the term) such as the 15-55 kit, they are more likely to keep with the 1.6 but improve on it and release a greater range of lenses for that factor... similar to the 4.3rds idea but keeping canons propriety.
That leads me on to an interesting observation... While most industries and products end up with a standard format either via public buying power of relative costs... film and digital cameras still have manufaturer lock in's! The only standard ever reached was 35mm, and basic MF/LF formats... the lenses and mounts have always been disparit.
It will be interesting to see if now that cameras have become "consumables" and "computer like" wether they will end up uniform in the same way a PC or DVD or VCR are... does anyone remember beta-max?
Cameras have always been a disposable income buy, but PC's have become a must have... Digital cameras are now becoming a must have... so I wonder if market preasures are going to force (at least the digital) cameras into conformaty due to the increased mass buying market.
The difference over one camera or another is reaching parity bar the price, the only players that will ultimatly profit will be thoes that either make for the other side in add ons (like lenses from one manufacturer with a mount for a competitor) or if the market decides to merge on the mounts and keeps leap frogging on the pixels and basic camera extras; such as better ttl/focusing/idiot modes, etc..
One real problem for anyone that knows digital, and film, cameras is that there is no obsolesance... what takes good photos now, will take good photos in 5-10-20 years time. The only limiting factor will be shutters and mechanics.... a 4-6MP camera is acceptable quality wise to match 35MM film, so what is to push thoes people up to 8MP, 12MP and beyond unless the crop factor changes... most people will see no difference for a standard sized print between 4 or 12MP enlarge to "BIG" prints and yes they will, but very few will want more than the standard 4/6 prints... asuming they even print!
I would never have upgraded my G2 for a G replacement (unless they increased the physical dimentions of the sensor)... the only reason I went for an up grade was to get changeable lenses, and a larger crop in relation to the 35mm standard, the latter probably the most important as I wanted the shallower DOF.
From where I am now, the only time I will upgrade is to go for a 1-1 crop, or if the model allows me to get much larger sized prints with no extra noise issues on each ISO level. That said, A3 is probably large enough for a huge percentage of buyers of prints... poster size (a2ish) tends to be a mass market area and currently is more the preserve of the MF and LF bodies and films.
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