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09/07/2022 06:26:39 PM · #26 |
| I expect the next frontier will be, you upload a book, optionally specify the cast and the director, and out comes a film adaptation. |
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09/07/2022 07:24:50 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by LevT:
I expect the next frontier will be, you upload a book, optionally specify the cast and the director, and out comes a film adaptation. |
Wire your brain, dream or think the "book" - no upload required. |
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09/07/2022 10:23:11 PM · #28 |
I am getting *SO* sick and tired of the sour grapes involved when someone invents a better mousetrap.
Is that a fabulous way of using new technology? Yes!
Is that a breathtakingly, haunting and evocative image? F*ck yes!
Could I do that in a million years??? Prolly not.
Do I resent the guy who dreamed it up. WHY would I do that? To what end? Why wouldn't you be happy for someone who has found another way to express art?
People need to look outside themselves.
It's amazing. Good for him!
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09/10/2022 02:07:54 AM · #29 |
I would have a problem if the guy just pressed the button, printed the image and submitted without any input on his part but he did define and refine the inputs for AI, he chose the image from many options and edited to his liking. To me the result is his image no matter what technique was used.
All this resistance to change is so sad, it shows some of the worst in human nature - jealousy, selfishness, narrow mindedness, mental inertia.
Now, crucify me for having this view! The reaction so common these days. |
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09/10/2022 09:39:35 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Now, crucify me for having this view! The reaction so common these days. |
I don't see anyone here in crucifixion mode, Margaret. Certainly not me, anyway. It's terrifically interesting work, and it's definitely going to develop and evolve into a new "form of art" that's gonna blow us all away.
The only issue we have here in DPC is, "Is it photography?" and most of us don't think so. |
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09/10/2022 03:16:59 PM · #31 |
I think it's majorly cool, and I'm excited to try it. However, just because I can conceive of something, doesn't been I can do it.
My issue with it is that, in the software I've seen, the software is coming up with the creation.
In my mind, it would be like me telling LevT the beautiful photograph I'm envisioning, and having him take the photograph. I can conceive if spectacular photographs, but when I try, they don't look anything like my idea. I don't have the particular skill set.
So my question is - who's creation is it really? Even if I tell an artist how I want them to paint a portrait, it's not my creation.
Yet if I create a still life using vases and knick knacks I have laying around, it's my work because I arranged them.
So what's the answer? |
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09/10/2022 11:44:13 PM · #32 |
Machines creating art? This is preposterous!
To think, all the skills we have perfected, for nothing!
It's only a matter of time before, if you see something you like, there will be a MACHINE that fits in your HAND and all you have to do is point it ... and press a button!! and it will create a perfect artwork exactly capturing the scene before you!
These filthy machines. |
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09/11/2022 12:56:23 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The only issue we have here in DPC is, "Is it photography?" and most of us don't think so. |
I thought this thread was about using AI in creating images, I have accepted that the only images allowed on DPC are those created by traditional photography techniques. |
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09/11/2022 12:58:24 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Yet if I create a still life using vases and knick knacks I have laying around, it's my work because I arranged them. |
Do you arrange landscapes? (actually I do :) |
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09/11/2022 01:28:47 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Machines creating art? |
What's art has to do with it? I wonder how many entries in that contest in which AI created image won, could be called art? Is art really only about specific techniques? I read that the traditional painters at a time of the invention of photography said the same things about the new medium as the traditional photographers do now about images created in 3D or using AI ! It seems that the fear of change always manifests itself in a similar manner. Sad. |
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09/11/2022 09:28:34 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Machines creating art? |
What's art has to do with it? I wonder how many entries in that contest in which AI created image won, could be called art? Is art really only about specific techniques? I read that the traditional painters at a time of the invention of photography said the same things about the new medium as the traditional photographers do now about images created in 3D or using AI ! It seems that the fear of change always manifests itself in a similar manner. Sad. |
You DO realize that Don's paragraph was an imagined reaction of "real" painters to "photographers" when our particular "machine" art came onto the scene? |
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09/11/2022 10:37:53 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Machines creating art? |
What's art has to do with it? I wonder how many entries in that contest in which AI created image won, could be called art? Is art really only about specific techniques? I read that the traditional painters at a time of the invention of photography said the same things about the new medium as the traditional photographers do now about images created in 3D or using AI ! It seems that the fear of change always manifests itself in a similar manner. Sad. |
You DO realize that Don's paragraph was an imagined reaction of "real" painters to "photographers" when our particular "machine" art came onto the scene? |
(and that my still life reference was: I didn't handmake the items that I'm arranging, I'm just arranging them. So that's an argument towards the AI. The computer is manufacturing the items, but I may be arranging them.) |
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09/11/2022 12:54:40 PM · #38 |
| You are so clever, people, I give up |
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09/11/2022 01:16:21 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
You are so clever, people, I give up |
Wasn̢۪t meaning to be clever, was trying to work through things in my mind. I was just saying it's more complicated than I originally thought.
And posthumous's point was interesting, as well. We are still dealing with people who think photography isn't art, because it's just pointing a camera and pushing a button.
Personally, I find it an interesting debate.
Message edited by author 2022-09-11 18:31:34. |
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09/11/2022 04:24:58 PM · #40 |
Throwing rotten eggs to knives at each other for let's say, art's sake is replaced with electronic insults.
What's new then?
Right versus wrong, black vs white and vice versa... no gray area...no doubts...only self righteousness
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09/11/2022 09:13:50 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
You are so clever, people, I give up |
Aw, c'mon Margaret. Nobody's putting you down or trying to one-up you. We're all finding the topic interesting. In Don's case, he was referencing the specific history of photography, and quite rightly too. Wendy's trying to work through the ramifications of all this from an "art" point of view, and she's being quite open-minded. Myself, I've felt for a long time "If it moves me, it's art!" pretty much, don't much care how it came into being.
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09/12/2022 04:40:58 PM · #42 |
| Mr. Computer, please make a picture set in the Gale family farmyard, from "the Wizard of Oz." Towards the back of the yard is a large camera, about the size of an ox. A man peers out from within, distorted by the curvature of the lens. He's wearing a Santa Claus hat. On the right is a long oaken table with colorful cakes that look like turtles, armadillos and ladybugs. They're on glass stands. Children hungrily crowd the table, kept back by a thick red velour rope festooned along numerous bronze stanchions. In the center Dorothy Gale, herself, is reclining on a paisley upholstered divan and painting her toenails aquamarine, seemingly oblivious to everything going on around her. On the left is a line of twenty brontosauruses standing up on their hind legs dancing the can-can. They're wearing pink tutus. They have their "arms" draped across each other's shoulders. They're laughing uproariously. Sprinkled all around are chickens pecking at the ground. Overhead, lounging in some puffy clouds, are Yogi Bear and Boo-Boo. They're tossing down silver confetti shaped like picnic baskets. The sun is shining. Oh yeah, and the brontosauruses are wearing shoes, six inch black patent leather stiletto heels. Done in the style of Vermeer. |
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09/12/2022 05:37:37 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by streetpigeon:
Mr. Computer, please make a picture set in the Gale family farmyard, from "the Wizard of Oz." Towards the back of the yard is a large camera, about the size of an ox. A man peers out from within, distorted by the curvature of the lens. He's wearing a Santa Claus hat. On the right is a long oaken table with colorful cakes that look like turtles, armadillos and ladybugs. They're on glass stands. Children hungrily crowd the table, kept back by a thick red velour rope festooned along numerous bronze stanchions. In the center Dorothy Gale, herself, is reclining on a paisley upholstered divan and painting her toenails aquamarine, seemingly oblivious to everything going on around her. On the left is a line of twenty brontosauruses standing up on their hind legs dancing the can-can. They're wearing pink tutus. They have their "arms" draped across each other's shoulders. They're laughing uproariously. Sprinkled all around are chickens pecking at the ground. Overhead, lounging in some puffy clouds, are Yogi Bear and Boo-Boo. They're tossing down silver confetti shaped like picnic baskets. The sun is shining. Oh yeah, and the brontosauruses are wearing shoes, six inch black patent leather stiletto heels. Done in the style of Vermeer. |
I'd give it a 6. |
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09/12/2022 05:45:00 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by streetpigeon:
... Done in the style of Vermeer. |
Sounds remarkably like a scene from Disney's Fantasia ... and it only took 208 words. :-) |
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09/13/2022 01:23:29 AM · #45 |
I think for simple to complicated adverts. I can see this hitting graphic designers in the pocket as early as next year. I tried open AI the vanilla version and its pretty good. Image I created
Message edited by author 2022-09-13 01:25:47. |
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09/17/2022 12:45:05 PM · #46 |
some of my creations using AI.    
  
 
    
No editing with photoshop. This is straight out of the AI computer (lol) |
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09/18/2022 03:55:08 AM · #47 |
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09/20/2022 10:15:25 AM · #48 |
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09/20/2022 12:07:14 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
You DO realize that Don's paragraph was an imagined reaction of "real" painters to "photographers" when our particular "machine" art came onto the scene? |
The running joke between Vivi and I when talking to new people who stop by the gallery is that all the work in the gallery is ours, the pottery/ceramics, painting/pastels/sketches, soap-making, hand crafted jewelry, and smudge sticks are all made by Vivi.
We tell 'em "She's the artist, I'm just the photographer.".
Going back to the original thread, I like to see what's new in the ever-progressing creative world, but I also have gotten to a point where I think I'm happy.
I use Photoshop to enhance my images so that they more closely resemble what my mind's eye sees as a representation of my personal vision.
I'm happy with my cinder block of a DSLR with its bulky, lazy, walkaround superzoom, and the basics of Elements for editing with some Topaz plug-ins.
I seriously doubt I'll make the switch to mirrorless and I darn sure won't be making t5he effort to become more involved with digital enhancement and creation.
I've found what I'm happy with. I will still be happy to be dazzled with the latest and greatest artistic renditions of others' visions no matter how they created them.
But that's for them to figure out.
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09/20/2022 12:43:05 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I seriously doubt I'll make the switch to mirrorless... |
Never say never. One day you'll probably find your DSLR too heavy.
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