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 06/16/2004 09:33:25 AM · #26
I've had a longer look at your photo, and just cannot see the waiting element to it. If somebody or something was holding him in the air so he was stationary for any length of time, then I could see it. But here, the viewer is able to imagine themselves at this scene, and the rollerblader would not spend any time stationary. Therefore, where is the waiting?

Just my opinion!

Bob
 06/16/2004 09:44:23 AM · #27
Bobster. I suggest you go out, get a pair of roller blades. Get up a good head of steam, and try a jump like this without anticipating your landing.

Tell us what you think in 6 weeks when you get out of hospital.



; )
 06/16/2004 10:00:31 AM · #28
Originally posted by bod:
Bobster. I suggest you go out, get a pair of roller blades. Get up a good head of steam, and try a jump like this without anticipating your landing.

Tell us what you think in 6 weeks when you get out of hospital.



; )


If I start to wait for the landing while in mid-air, I would fall flat on my face/arse! ;-)
 06/16/2004 10:04:07 AM · #29
Bod has made the most interesting point

Of those who "got it" (myself included) how many have experienced this or a similar sensation......I have...I get the shot and remember the feeling

Of the others who haven't enjoyed the feeling of waiting for the apex to pass and gravity to drag you down again....your missing an amazing feeling of waiting and anticipation conveyed in this photo.

Steve

06/16/2004 10:08:09 AM · #30
After reading this thread I canĂ¢€™t help but throw in my two cents worth. Entirely too often a well executed picture gets underrated because of speed voting and preformed opinions of what the challenge is all about.

In this great picture the photographer gave the viewer the brief moment in time that the rollerblader waited for a change in direction. However short that time might be, he still waited. He not only waited for the change but that change in direction, the evaluation of his airtime, and his anticipated landing, are IMO the sole reason for his making the jump.

The post processing is obviously intended; the degree that it was applied to the shot was not one of coincidence that a novice photographer might accidentally produce.

We as voters should give the photographer the benefit of the doubt and not treat them a moronic fools that just happened upon this site. They have made a fairly large investment in their hobby or in some cases their careers and are only using DPC as an outlet to share their work.

Voters try to use an open mind and lighten up a bit so every one can have some fun!!!!
06/16/2004 10:23:33 AM · #31
Why bother having a challenge topic at all, if as soon as people think a picture doesn't fit, these people are asked to open their minds and lighten up? Okay, so some people think this photo fitted the challenge, other people didn't. It is also worth giving the people who think the photo didn't meet the challenge the benefit of the doubt, and not treat them a moronic fools that just happened upon this site. They also have made a fairly large investment in their hobby or in some cases their careers and are only using DPC as an outlet to share their work.

I'm sure that people are strong enough here to cope with some friendly disagreement.
 06/16/2004 10:29:05 AM · #32
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Why bother having a challenge topic at all, if as soon as people think a picture doesn't fit, these people are asked to open their minds and lighten up? Okay, so some people think this photo fitted the challenge, other people didn't. It is also worth giving the people who think the photo didn't meet the challenge the benefit of the doubt, and not treat them a moronic fools that just happened upon this site. They also have made a fairly large investment in their hobby or in some cases their careers and are only using DPC as an outlet to share their work.

I'm sure that people are strong enough here to cope with some friendly disagreement.

Why give the voter the benefit of the doubt and not the photographer? That seems the wrong way round to me.
 06/16/2004 10:30:17 AM · #33
Hi imagineer

Either you photograph to please yourself or you do it to please others. If it is to please yourself and you're pleased with this shot (I certainly would be) then great, be happy. If it is to please others, then stop berating them for being different from you in their tastes and become of student of their tastes so that you can please them successfully.

This just sounds like sour grapes
 06/16/2004 10:30:23 AM · #34
Maybe he's weighting for gravity?
 06/16/2004 10:34:17 AM · #35
I guess I run with the sheep on this one. I was on the lower end of the voting spectrum because I only see a stop-action photo of continuous motion here, not a sense of waiting. I understand your personal rationale, but 'hang time' simply won't convey a wait to most people- it's too brief. You'd need something like Michael Jordan captured in mid-air with a bored look and reclining pose (as if he'd been stuck there for a while).

It's tough to communicate waiting with an event that only lasts a split second even with perceived time expansion. Anticipating a baseball pitch is much more of a wait than anticipating contact with the bat. You're probably familiar with the old "Anticipation" commercials that played off the unusually long wait for Heinz ketchup to start flowing. I don't think think those ads would be quite the same with runny mustard as the subject, even though the model might well be 'anticipating' that first squirt. Ask any group of people for a list of things you wait on, and I doubt you'll ever hear the word gravity (apart from a group of astronauts).

On the technical side, the composition is good, but color and exposure are off. You've certainly taken some fantastic photos, but this ain't one of them, regardless of whether or not it meets the challenge. Sorry!
 06/16/2004 10:37:27 AM · #36
no. this picture is stupid. gravity is acting on him. gravity is allways acting on him. this picture was just making an excuse to meet the challenge requirements. i could take a picture of a dog shitting and say "waiting to finish" but that doesnt mean its a good picture. try angles, techniques, think about the challenge, try to meet the objective or dont submit. dont just a random picture of a guy skating. you people need to stop waisting our time.
 06/16/2004 10:37:43 AM · #37
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Why bother having a challenge topic at all, if as soon as people think a picture doesn't fit, these people are asked to open their minds and lighten up? Okay, so some people think this photo fitted the challenge, other people didn't. It is also worth giving the people who think the photo didn't meet the challenge the benefit of the doubt, and not treat them a moronic fools that just happened upon this site. They also have made a fairly large investment in their hobby or in some cases their careers and are only using DPC as an outlet to share their work.

I'm sure that people are strong enough here to cope with some friendly disagreement.

Why give the voter the benefit of the doubt and not the photographer? That seems the wrong way round to me.


What is ironic here is that in most cases they are one in the same.
 06/16/2004 10:43:46 AM · #38
Originally posted by Imagineer:
MotoCycleBoi - I'm all too familiar with that scenario, but it doesn't stop me from producing work that I enjoy. It seems that we really have to spoon-feed voters these days.
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Tell me about it!
I took a different aproach on the "Choices" challege. I knew what was coming. Perdicted it in the submitted comment.
But still it's not fun getting a a 3.x score and insults to go with that.
Makes you want to quit this site all together.
 06/16/2004 10:45:55 AM · #39
It is naive for the photographer to expect that voters have the experience depected in "Hangin'". If that is needed for someone to perceive "that brief moment in time" as waiting, then the photog has missed the target, has failed to meet the challenge. I don't see this as voters treating photographers as "moronic fools that just happened upon this site" but rather photographers who have misjudged their audience. IMHO, voters here are really very open-minded in regards to what meets the challenge. Many photos that are quality images but stretch the topic do vey well. But you must be perceived as at least trying to meet the challenge by THIS AUDIENCE, it's not going to change.
 06/16/2004 10:56:48 AM · #40
stevenayer - it may seem like sour grapes to those who are hard of hearing. Anyway, I paid my membership and can discuss what I like - and I'm not sour just bemused, as I mentioned. Some people partake in the world around them - others spectate.
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fallingretina - you're wasting your own time by responding to this thread. Your insults are water of a duck's back. Was this your example of 'angles, techniques and meeting the objective'?
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Scalvert - sheep indeed! As a designer I thought you might be more open minded ; )
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coolhar - I have misjudged no one and got a score close to what I had been expecting of late. This shot was for me but a challenge for others!
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Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I'm sure that people are strong enough here to cope with some friendly disagreement.
- well I am at least.
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I think we've all learned something here today.
:D
06/16/2004 10:57:16 AM · #41
Originally posted by coolhar:
But you must be perceived as at least trying to meet the challenge by THIS AUDIENCE, it's not going to change.

If you sit on your hands and keep quiet then no, it won't. If you discuss the situation then maybe 'this audience' will start to change.
 06/16/2004 10:58:42 AM · #42
Originally posted by Imagineer:

fallingretina - you're wasting your own time by responding to this thread. Your insults are water of a duck's back. Was this your example of 'angles, techniques and meeting the objective'?
---I think we've all learned something here today.
:D


i was going to say something about that, but the last time i left a post on his picture, he sent me a private message calling me an "asshole" and that his mac is better than the "piece of sh*t" computer i have.

Message edited by author 2004-06-16 11:05:36.
 06/16/2004 11:21:13 AM · #43
Originally posted by Imagineer:
sheep indeed! As a designer I thought you might be more open minded ; )


Actually, I generally give the benefit of the doubt to the photographer, but as a designer I do recognize the need to effectively solve the problem. I could shoot a picture of Mars and call it "Waiting for Exploration," but I doubt even the more open-minded voters would perceive the photo itself as communicating a wait no matter how true the idea may be. Baaaaaa! ;-)

EDIT: BTW, nice shots of the Venus transit in your portfolio! I missed it.

Message edited by author 2004-06-16 11:24:18.
 06/16/2004 11:26:42 AM · #44
Sadly, Imagineer, what we've learned here today is that when people disagree with your taste in photography, you take the low road and launch into personal attacks (as, admittedly, some others did to you).

I never questioned your right to discuss this matter in the forum, you are absolutely entitled. I questioned the wisdom of it. Now you're no happier than when you started, everyone is getting pissed off and nothing has been settled or improved. What is gained?
 06/16/2004 11:30:34 AM · #45
Waiting would imply that you have some control over the timing of the event, you have no control over gravity, you cant wait hovering in the sky to return to earth, unless your a bird. I dont see waiting here.
 06/16/2004 11:37:00 AM · #46
stevenayer - no attacks, I'm quite happy and appreciate all the input, yours included. You seemed to suggest that I was scolding people for not liking my image. Not so - I was just intrigued.

It's a known fact that when people are challenged to comment or opinionate on a subject they will normally take either a strong positive or negative stance. I invited discussion but have not insulted anyone personally. Granted, I have retaliated to those special individuals who chose the 'low road' but I have a lighthearted approach to this entire thread - which may be lost on some.

No hard feelings.
TTFN
 06/16/2004 11:39:08 AM · #47
Poison IV - the person chose to ride up the ramp and so became involved in the process of cause and effect, erm... etc. etc. - [fade to black]
 06/16/2004 11:43:12 AM · #48
Very gracious Imagineer - nicely concluded
 06/16/2004 11:58:36 AM · #49
No argument that it is a good photo, that it is, and I feel it is a bit of a stretch to say this conveys a feeling of waiting, just my personal feelings.

as with many pieces of art and photographs a person will see it differently than the next person.

Its not that people dont know anything, they just "see" differently, or interpret things differently

Many of the famous artist/painters (Picasso for one) I do not like their work, I don't see how their work expresses the feeling or emotions many other people see or feel in that work of art.

Does that mean I dont know anything about art???, no , it means that I see it differently than the next person.

and I feel that is what has happend to your photo

James
 06/16/2004 12:11:26 PM · #50
Indeed. We all perceive differently. I didn't care for Picasso's work either.

The roller blader could very well be waiting for gravity to take hold, waiting for a friend to return, waiting for his knee to stop hurting, waiting for school to start, waiting for dinner, waiting for his birthday, and waiting for Sheryl Crow's next opus all at the same time. I just don't sense it in the photo.

Perhaps your intention was to show the wait to see if anyone could read the subject's mind? We just failed to appreciate your genius! 10

;-)

Message edited by author 2004-06-16 12:12:37.
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