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06/14/2004 01:20:33 PM · #1 |
I'd appreciate an explanation from all the people that gave me 3 and lower on my last entry:
Out of 40 comments, only two were negative. Those two were from people who obviously either have no clue as to what deep depth of field is or just thought I actually went out and bought a wrench the size of my sister's head (unlikely...).
I may be mistaken, but I think my picture is the only one in the challenge for which the deep DOF is crucial for the picture; ie, without it, the picture is useless. Having met the challenge perfectly, I'd like to know why some still gave me such low scores...
Edit: Plus, it was validated quite early, so people must have known that it wasn't just cheap PS work. Having taken the picture just before 11PM on Sunday, I didn't have time to do much work on it.
Message edited by author 2004-06-14 13:23:58. |
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06/14/2004 01:30:12 PM · #2 |
I scored you high and like this photo a lot. I'd actually love to know how you accomplished this, because as you said - it's unlikely you found a wrench that size. :-)
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06/14/2004 01:35:55 PM · #3 |
I scored it a 7 and thought it was well-done. It never even crossed my mind that it might be cheap PS work. :o)
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06/14/2004 01:38:38 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by tfaust:
I scored you high and like this photo a lot. I'd actually love to know how you accomplished this, because as you said - it's unlikely you found a wrench that size. :-) |
Just added a photographer's comment to the picture, here it is:
Went out and bought an 18 inch wrench. the opening must be around 5 to 6cm. There are 5 light bulbs for this shot. two 100W desklamps used to give her hair some shine. a 500W light from the bottom up. another 500W shining at the ceiling and illuminating a large piece of white carboard, which is reflected in the wrench. The paper had to be right above the camera. The last 500 W light bulb is pointing straight at her at camera level, but a bit the left. With this much light, I could shrink to aperture to 6.3, focus at the mid point between her and the wrench so that they both come out in focus.
I handheld the wrench with arm extended out while snapping the photo wioth my other hand. Most shots where misaligned; but I had many to choose from and this one was the best.
PS: the background is a hanging velvet sheet.
Message edited by author 2004-06-14 13:41:03. |
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06/14/2004 01:40:43 PM · #5 |
I didn't vote and like usual I am going to be totally honest here. I think it scored way to high for my taste. I think neatimage is out of control. I know, I went through that stage. I also think it doesn't meet the challenge. Folks were looking for a forground and a background and both to be in focus. ?? Not sure what you were thinking when taking this shot. It doesn't have a wow to me. Just a lady sticking her head in a wrench. hmmm...
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you want honesty or people telling you "I gave it a 6 or 7, not sure why it got voted a 3" ?
Keep shooting.
In about 2 months, go back and take a look at this shot. You will see what I see, maybe.
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06/14/2004 01:43:20 PM · #6 |
I know! I know! It's because you didn't do a standard landscape like most of us had prepared and were expecting. Or maybe the ones that scored you 4 or lower actually have oversized novelty wrenches lying about the house ;P
Another one for the annals of the under-rated. Too bad.
Oh yeah. I am one of those who gave you a 10. I had you pegged for top-10, maybe even top-5.
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06/14/2004 01:45:54 PM · #7 |
| Aleks, I gave your picture a 5 in the voting. Yes, I could see the depth of field and thought it was quite good. However, I didn't really like the picture that much. It met the challenge but didn't really appeal to me personally. I love the colors you get but I think you tend to use a bit much Neat Imaging so your pictures are so totally smooth that they look quite unreal. |
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06/14/2004 01:46:20 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Just a lady sticking her head in a wrench. hmmm...
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you want honesty or people telling you "I gave it a 6 or 7, not sure why it got voted a 3" ?
Keep shooting.
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Sonifo,
Sorry to jump in like his, but you are wrong. The wrench is actually VERY close to the lens and the model much further back. It is the CLASSIC example of Deep DoF. (There's another image on the coin in the foreground that used the same technique.)
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06/14/2004 01:52:12 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
I didn't vote and like usual I am going to be totally honest here. I think it scored way to high for my taste. I think neatimage is out of control. I know, I went through that stage. I also think it doesn't meet the challenge. Folks were looking for a forground and a background and both to be in focus. ?? Not sure what you were thinking when taking this shot. It doesn't have a wow to me. Just a lady sticking her head in a wrench. hmmm...
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you want honesty or people telling you "I gave it a 6 or 7, not sure why it got voted a 3" ?
Keep shooting.
In about 2 months, go back and take a look at this shot. You will see what I see, maybe. |
Huh? What NeatImage? It's not even mentioned in the photographer's description.
Background = the girl
Foreground = the wrench
Both are well focussed
What's not to understand here?
Anyway, I still believe he was robbed. But I have to admit that tastes do differ.
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06/14/2004 01:52:47 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by photom:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Just a lady sticking her head in a wrench. hmmm...
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you want honesty or people telling you "I gave it a 6 or 7, not sure why it got voted a 3" ?
Keep shooting.
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Sonifo,
Sorry to jump in like his, but you are wrong. The wrench is actually VERY close to the lens and the model much further back. It is the CLASSIC example of Deep DoF. (There's another image on the coin in the foreground that used the same technique.) |
Thanks for backing me up on this. I guess there will always be people who don't understand technicalities and won't understand some pictures that actually meet the challenge. |
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06/14/2004 02:06:00 PM · #11 |
| Hey labuda. I thought this shot was technically impeccable and gave it an 8. If I'd found it to be interesting, or moving, or evocative, I would have given it a 10. So I suppose if someone felt blasé about the shot like I did, but didn't appreciate the technically impressiveness of it, they could certainly give it a low score. Too bad, but what one learns quickly is that it's tough to guess what people will like. :-) |
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06/14/2004 02:24:42 PM · #12 |
I didn't vote, but I'd have given you a 6 because you met the challenge well and it is very well taken. I couldn't have pulled this shot off anywhere near this well.
However, the picture just doesn't excite or interest me on an artistic level. I'd guess the 3 and lower crowd thought the same or dis liked it for other reasons. |
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06/14/2004 03:29:41 PM · #13 |
| I can't explain it. I can't really explain why they "trashed" my shot either -- I composed it with the need for a deep DOF to be an essential component, and it's all in pretty good focus. Seems to me that should at least get an "average" rating ... and I think your shot's better than mine. |
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06/14/2004 03:43:19 PM · #14 |
| heh, even my gf, who has no idea what DOF is was like "wow..." when she saw this picture. i guess some people need to brush up on their photography vocabulary before voting on pictures. |
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06/14/2004 03:44:19 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by labuda:
I'd appreciate an explanation from all the people that gave me 3 and lower on my last entry:
Out of 40 comments, only two were negative. Those two were from people who obviously either have no clue as to what deep depth of field is or just thought I actually went out and bought a wrench the size of my sister's head (unlikely...).
I may be mistaken, but I think my picture is the only one in the challenge for which the deep DOF is crucial for the picture; ie, without it, the picture is useless. Having met the challenge perfectly, I'd like to know why some still gave me such low scores...
Edit: Plus, it was validated quite early, so people must have known that it wasn't just cheap PS work. Having taken the picture just before 11PM on Sunday, I didn't have time to do much work on it. |
This has been discussed before. People don't have to explain why they decided to give anyone a 1 or whatever other "bad" score. That is their prerogative. This post makes you sound cocky and bratty. Sorry for being so direct, but you have done this before and I don't think it's fair for to ask for explenations from people who didn't score you they way you would have wanted them to. If they didn't leave a comment it might be because they really didn't want to, so why would they now?
Have a nice day.
June
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06/14/2004 03:59:40 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by chiqui74:
... People don't have to explain why they decided to give anyone a 1 or whatever other "bad" score. That is their prerogative. This post makes you sound cocky and bratty. Sorry for being so direct, but you have done this before and I don't think it's fair for to ask for explenations from people who didn't score you they way you would have wanted them to. If they didn't leave a comment it might be because they really didn't want to, so why would they now?
Have a nice day.
June |
It's honestly a question a lot of us would like to ask, or at least have answered.
For some reason, people do often comment more on photos posted to the forums than those in the challenges, partly because there's a chance to have a "discussion" about it instead of just commenting and moving on ... it's one reason I find it unfair for people to post their "out-takes" for a challenge that's currently being voted on, taking attention away from the actual entries ... "almost" like having multiple entries ... |
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06/14/2004 04:14:01 PM · #17 |
| Didn't vote but looking at it, I think there is way too much smoothness to the wrench, it does look fake because of the ni. The wrench goes too much into her head space, so it looks like someone holding a wrench in front of a person. The wrench is angled backwards. I know these are basically nit picks, but when there are a lot within one picture, I can see how it would be voted down. Sorry. Your lighting has improved 100percent. |
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06/14/2004 04:26:01 PM · #18 |
I gave you a 6 but looking at it again, my 8 year old daughter said, "That just does not look right." And it doesn't. The wrench and head are still not aligned as well as they could be. The DOF is there, no doubt but it doesn't really come off as a deep one, maybe a couple of feet. The look on her face is not very convincing either. You need more of a painful expression, she looks more bored than in pain. I only gave you the 6 because it was nice and sharp and the color was decent and it met the challenge and was just a little above an average shot to me. Even with all your light, it seems off there as well. Pain to me, means dark, forbidding, dangerous. None of that is conveyed in this shot.
The ironic part is that when you rush a shot, you don't do as well, but when I'm in a rush and with a last minute idea, it seems to work better for me!
Deannda
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06/14/2004 04:35:54 PM · #19 |
| Not to start a big argument but I have to agree with June... I don't think anyone here is voting with malice; They are just sharing their opinion. You can't take your score personally - learn from the experience and move on. |
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06/14/2004 04:49:50 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Huh? What NeatImage? It's not even mentioned in the photographer's description.
Background = the girl
Foreground = the wrench
Both are well focussed
What's not to understand here?
Anyway, I still believe he was robbed. But I have to admit that tastes do differ. |
I do see neatimage used because the background was out of focus. Look at the girls hair and then the skin. If I am wrong than let's see the original. :-)
I do realize this was taken infront of her head but if the average person looks at it without the title, do you think they know that? Nope.
So it looks like it doens't meet the challenge.
It is an interesting shot, but not good enough to get a 4 from me. Sorry, I know you all think your photos rock, but take a look again in a few months. I do the same thing. You will find things with your photos that you took a few months ago and say "oh ya, what was I thinking".
Soni jumps off her soap box and into mud. Yikes!
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06/14/2004 04:51:15 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by labuda:
Originally posted by photom:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Just a lady sticking her head in a wrench. hmmm...
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you want honesty or people telling you "I gave it a 6 or 7, not sure why it got voted a 3" ?
Keep shooting.
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Sonifo,
Sorry to jump in like his, but you are wrong. The wrench is actually VERY close to the lens and the model much further back. It is the CLASSIC example of Deep DoF. (There's another image on the coin in the foreground that used the same technique.) |
Thanks for backing me up on this. I guess there will always be people who don't understand technicalities and won't understand some pictures that actually meet the challenge. |
You asked, not me. :-)
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06/14/2004 04:58:50 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I find it unfair for people to post their "out-takes" for a challenge that's currently being voted on, taking attention away from the actual entries ... "almost" like having multiple entries ... |
I must admit I did this for the waiting challenge, although my outtake is very differnent to my entry. What I do find annoying is when someone posts an obviously similar shot to their entry which I've seen a couple of times in the month I've been visiting dpc.
And on thread....
I think that the wrench vs Sister shot is technically very good, although I agree with the comments about the 'smoothness' of the image in places. If this is NeatImage's doing or not only labuda knows, but it dosn't really detract from the image too much, just a niggle.
As for the placement in the competition, I think it placed fairly when you compare it to the other images. I didn't vote (not a member), but I would have placed it in the upper quartile, but I don't it as appealing as some of the other entries that did better.
I've only been on here a wee while, but from what I've seen 28th out of 160 is a good placing. There is such a wide variety of skills and interpretations that you're bound to get knocked back on some things that you feel are dead cert winners. That's the nature of the beast. To ribbon you don't have to be the worlds best photographer, you have to take the most appealing photos for the audience.
My 2c worth.
Message edited by author 2004-06-14 17:01:02. |
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06/14/2004 05:03:02 PM · #23 |
I liked it a lot because I've tried the same thing, mostly outdoors and I understand how hard it was to line up and get the correct lighting. I've seen that head ache look, and that's what sold me. As far as the low voters, they haven't tried this before, I guess. Or they just just didn't like it for whatever reason.
My comment during the challege show's my score. |
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06/14/2004 05:29:10 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by ohmark:
I've only been on here a wee while, but from what I've seen 28th out of 160 is a good placing.
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I'm happy with my score and placing... My concern is just over the 1's, 2's and 3's. As much as a photo may not appeal to you, I don't think it's justifiable to give a photo, which obviously meets the challenge and is technically good, a 3 or under. |
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06/14/2004 05:36:17 PM · #25 |
| Regarding NeatImage. I did clean up this picture because I needed ISO 400 to compensate for the small aperture, depite my 1700W of light. However, the smoothness is there because the wrench is brand new and fully reflective and I used a fresh sheet of white carboard as a "reflective element". Which also explains why I had to tilt the wrench backwards: otherwise, i'd have a reflection of myself and the camera in the wrench. |
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