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07/15/2015 01:27:03 PM · #126

Before 9'11, my father had a blasting license. He used dynamite for some wacky things, like removing stumps and beaver dams, digging trenches, and cracking cisterns in the basement. Sometimes we'd just hang some on a tree and blow it up for fun.

Today, there's no way he'd be able to get the same license. Social attitudes changed. Restrictions became onerous. He dumped it.

One less useful tool in the toolbox.

He no longer has the freedom to use it.

07/15/2015 01:49:24 PM · #127

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I'd like to hear that connection, too.

I honestly don't understand why so many gun owers resist any form of structure and regulation when it so much promotes accountability.

I would be happy to have all my firearms duly registered. I am responsible, and accountable, for them.

I only wish there was a mandatory licensing/training/safety course prior to ownership.

I am against gun registry and I'll tell you why. With the way gun culture is...i.e. the government imposing restriction and / or ban. (we have seen this in the past and I am sure we will see it in the future. Having all of your guns registered gives a map to the government for gun confiscation. I have seen articles over the past few years where this has happened in New York state. (after the safe gun act) If I can find those articles I will post them.

ETA....The more restricted firearms are the less freedom you have to use them. It would be better if they 1st start enforcing the laws already out there.

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07/15/2015 01:54:39 PM · #128

ok here is one of those articles

GeneralE

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07/15/2015 01:56:03 PM · #129

Before Oklahoma City you could go by a truckload of fertilizer for your farm ... no more ...

Originally posted by Linked Article:

Homeland Security plans to regulate bomb fertilizer
Those who buy, sell or transfer 25 pounds of ammonium nitrate would have to register with the department. The chemical was used in the Oklahoma City bombing ...

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07/15/2015 02:03:26 PM · #130

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Before Oklahoma City you could go by a truckload of fertilizer for your farm ... no more ...
Originally posted by Linked Article:
Homeland Security plans to regulate bomb fertilizer
Those who buy, sell or transfer 25 pounds of ammonium nitrate would have to register with the department. The chemical was used in the Oklahoma City bombing ...

ok the difference between ammonium nitrate and guns is they won't ban the ammonium nitrate. It is required for fertilizing fields. Guns they would love to ban.

GeneralE

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07/15/2015 03:04:23 PM · #131

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

... they won't ban the ammonium nitrate. It is required for fertilizing fields.

BS (works as fertilizer too!) Ammonium nitrate is "required" to maintain the profits of the chemical corporations which found themselves without government arms contracts after WW II. Before that we got along quite nicely with organic fertilizers, and without creating dead zones (e.g. in the Gulf of Mexico off the Mississippi delta) and killing off the local seafood industry.

Cory

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07/15/2015 04:18:56 PM · #132

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... they won't ban the ammonium nitrate. It is required for fertilizing fields.

BS (works as fertilizer too!) Ammonium nitrate is "required" to maintain the profits of the chemical corporations which found themselves without government arms contracts after WW II. Before that we got along quite nicely with organic fertilizers, and without creating dead zones (e.g. in the Gulf of Mexico off the Mississippi delta) and killing off the local seafood industry.

07/15/2015 06:06:41 PM · #133

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

I hear your point, but I don't really buy into it. In the first place, there will have to be some pretty serious good reasons for this confiscation. It will require legislation, and we are, in theory, supposed to work within our own parameters for government. If we, as RESPONSIBLE gun owners, align, lobby, doo the work, and become the biggest supporters of responsible and safe gun ownership and practices, how can that be a bad thing? Right now, all that happens is a huge outpouring of bitching and posturing using the 2nd amendment as the sole justification for *NO* responsibility and accountability. You can say that no, it's about our right, but we all know that the writers of that amendment never envisioned a time when guns really weren't needed to provide food and be available in a militia type of call. They also never envisioned AK-47, Mac 10s, and "Tactical" shotguns. Wouldn't it to a certain extent make more sense to have some more controls over weaponry that really shouldn't be in the hands of non-military or police personnel? I mean any wacko can still kill people from a bell tower with a .308 with a scope, do we need to protect his "rights" to have an AR-15? Shouldn't the level of people qualified to own and operate weapons of that grade be just that? Qualified? Trained, tested, and that they are proponents of safe and sound gun control and operation. And that gun control would also mean being able to hit your target. Okay, so I'm just rattling, but the most knowlegeable group to support gun safety *IS* a cohesive group of experienced gun owners. Don't like your politicians' stances on guns? Vote 'em out, put yours in with their plans to alleviate the downside. If the gun people don't organize and straighten it out, certainly the anti-gun people will have no trouble over time if the issues continue as they do now.

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07/15/2015 08:49:51 PM · #134

Originally posted by Mousie:

Originally posted by Mike:
i fail to see how gun ownership correlates to freedom.

Can you see how restricting gun ownership correlates to a loss of freedom?

no, it correlated to a loss of A freedom, not loss of freedom.

its the loss of a freedom that can be argued infringes on inalienable freedoms of others, like life.

Cory

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07/16/2015 12:33:20 AM · #135

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Mousie:

Originally posted by Mike:
i fail to see how gun ownership correlates to freedom.

Can you see how restricting gun ownership correlates to a loss of freedom?

no, it correlated to a loss of A freedom, not loss of freedom.

its the loss of a freedom that can be argued infringes on inalienable freedoms of others, like life.

Surely, by this logic, you also support a renewal of prohibition I assume?

I mean, DWI crashes kill about the same number of people per year as firearm related homicides, but alcohol has so many other terrible effects, cirrhosis of the liver, alcohol poisoning, alcohol related accidents (non motor vehicle), alcohol fueled homicides (often while using a firearm, which theoretically, could be argued to lower the # of deaths attributed solely to firearms) and possibly a few other categories of things would seem likely to put the number of alcohol related deaths significantly above the number of deaths from firearms.

I mean, at least you should feel obligated to argue for both, if not just alcohol prohibition.

Message edited by author 2015-07-16 00:38:04.

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07/16/2015 01:28:44 AM · #136

Well, DWI is a combination of drinking + driving. A more effective means of keeping drunks off the road would be the ideal solution. As, for example, a breath-alcohol analyzer hooked up to the ignition system... Whatever... And that's analogous to what most of us are looking for here, a means of keeping guns out of the hands of those who can't be trusted with them...

Cory

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07/16/2015 07:51:39 AM · #137

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Aye, and I'd like a way to earn twice as much while working half as much.

I'd honestly love it if we could do as you suggest.. I'm afraid that I just don't beleive it would work, and suspect that the whole thing would go sideways pretty quick.

07/16/2015 08:12:24 AM · #138

Originally posted by Mike:

i fail to see how gun ownership correlates to freedom.

Originally posted by Mousie:

Can you see how restricting gun ownership correlates to a loss of freedom?

Originally posted by Mike:

no, it correlated to a loss of A freedom, not loss of freedom.

its the loss of a freedom that can be argued infringes on inalienable freedoms of others, like life.

Originally posted by Cory:

Again with the obfuscation.

Nobody's disputing that DWI is an issue, and over the last couple decades, much has been done to try to work on the problem. There are tougher laws, bar owners and bartenders are held accountable, random checkpoints are set up on weekends in many areas, insurance companies will help cover alcohol rehab, organizations like MADD are vocal and active.

What have gun owners done to take initiative and try to help combat problems with irresponsible and illegal gun owners?

07/16/2015 08:27:53 AM · #139

Originally posted by Cory:

I mean, at least you should feel obligated to argue for both, if not just alcohol prohibition.

I dont ever hear anyone complain about stricter laws on alcohol.

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07/16/2015 08:27:55 AM · #140

deleted, double post

Message edited by author 2015-07-16 08:28:10.

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07/16/2015 08:30:26 AM · #141

So really the only thing that can stop all these nasty bad guys you have over there is more good guys with guns, don't look elsewhere where gun violence is exstremly low for ideas, just stop gun violence with gun fights, sounds really logical to me.

07/16/2015 08:44:59 AM · #142

Originally posted by jagar:

Where did you come up with that????

07/16/2015 08:45:33 AM · #143

Originally posted by Cory:

I mean, at least you should feel obligated to argue for both, if not just alcohol prohibition.

Originally posted by Mike:

I dont ever hear anyone complain about stricter laws on alcohol.

07/16/2015 09:01:01 AM · #144

you can drink alcohol. when, where, how much, where you can buy, if you can drive is all regulated heavily and what happens if you hurt or kill someone under the influence are some of the strictest punishments we have and not just by the courts either, people have lost their employment for such offenses.

and that's just a drink that needs time to take effect.

for some reason we can regulate the use of anything and everything else, but god forbid we actually regulate the use of an item that's sole purpose is to inflict instant debilitating injury and death.

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07/16/2015 09:11:55 AM · #145

Originally posted by Mike:

Hey!

Don't be using facts, reason, logic, and common sense!

WTF???

07/16/2015 05:21:12 PM · #146

This is a very interesting read about concealed carry

07/16/2015 05:45:22 PM · #147

a whole 178%, that's not really skyrocketing... its not even doubling...

ETA, i'm sure no other factors are at play either...

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07/17/2015 08:45:15 AM · #148

Put yourself into the mind of a crook for a minute. If you decided to mug someone, carjack. rape. or break into a house.....you would think twice before committing your nefarious deed if you thought there was a gun. You don't have to use a gun to have a gun be effective. It makes for an excellent deterrent. A few weeks ago I experienced just that....

A few Saturdays ago I decided to clean my .45 because it had been a little while. I also needed to let my magazine rest. So I sat on the floor and cleaned my handgun. After reassembling it this guy just walked into my apartment. (remember it is unloaded) So my 1st reaction was grab the gun. I just asked him who he was. He got pretty shaken up. I realized pretty quickly that he wasn't a threat. He was looking for an apartment in the next building.

07/17/2015 09:07:16 AM · #149

i'm just wondering what could have happened had the gun been loaded.